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This will be a summarization of the details regarding user Catler's departure from the forum and grooming accusations. I feel this is helpful as some users have reacted with confusion over the ordeal, especially given how scattered the information surrounding it is. In addition, there is some rather questionable statements being made either downplaying the events or which provides misleading conclusions, like comments which incorrectly claim the concern was that he was grooming other users rather than if he was a member of a community of groomers, or statements which assert he solely left because he was banned from sending private messages.
Even if you're not familiar with Catler, it's worth exploring since it's an entertaining story regardless. In terms of the lolcow boards, he was generally a non-contributive user who only would offer mundane commentary in threads or argue with other members. This is an important detail to note for later. He otherwise would make insipid posts in the off topic board just acting gross or weird.
I wanted to make a thread summarizing this little debacle. It's not quite a halal thread since Catler has decided to leave the forum, but it's not a random callout thread since it's meant to compile all the information available. I'm too stupid to speak with absolute certainty that the evidence conclusively proves he was a groomer, but I'm not dumb enough not notice this evidence is extremely suggestive of it.
The general timeline of events is as follows, with evidence supplied as necessary or possible:
1. Catler's general presence on the main lolcow boards is either arguing with users or providing mundane commentary or observations. The rare instances where he provides information, it is always secondhand, primarily reposts from the rDrama website.
2. Catler posts a thread on the "boykisser" image, a gay (as in literally gay) furry meme, in the off topic boards.
3. Coincidentally, a thread on the "boykisser" image is made in the Prospering Grounds section which examined its usage in child grooming circles on Reddit and Discord. It is composed mostly of misinformation, most notably attributing the creator of the image as the leader of these grooming circles (which was demonstrably false). This in of itself is not an admission of intentional misinformation or misdirection. However, threads which focus on communities and threads which examine aspects of the furry community are prone to false flags and misdirection by sockpuppets of those who are within these communities. While the thread is rightfully criticized, it also suddenly gets new users or users with relatively unused accounts posting literal nonsense. This suggests members of these grooming circles were aware of the thread.
4. If you were wondering why I did not link Catler's "boykisser" image thread in the off topic board, it's because he deleted that thread when the Prospering Grounds thread was posted. Catler is generally unashamed of the content he posts, given his history, making this a curious choice.
5. A more focused and higher quality thread on the "boykisser" grooming circles is posted in Prospering Grounds which contained correct information, unlike the first thread. Despite literally never posting in Prospering Grounds before, or making any explorative contribution in any other thread, Catler is one of the first users to post in this thread and suddenly decides to make "informative" posts which were actually just on convenient, adjacent communities and not the original communities being examined in question. Worth reiterating, he never posted in the original thread which contained false information, but immediately does so in the one which was accurate.
6. Although he was directly asked if he would be willing to do so, meaning he did not bring this up unprompted, Catler makes the curious claim that he is unwilling to infiltrate these communities. The post is also somewhat odd as he makes a subtle attempt at dissuading users to sift through the content in these Discords, stating they're mostly "stupid reaction images."
7. Point 6 directly contradicts Catler's subsequent action of privately messaging the thread's creator if there were any DM chains examining the community. Although one can assume this means Catler was only lying on the publicly visible posts about not wanting to infiltrate the community, it is extremely unusual and out-of-character from him to suddenly be willing to contribute to a thread in any capacity, as previously established. On the other hand, it is exceedingly simple to conclude he intended to keep tabs on how informed Kiwi Farms was on the grooming circles, possibly checking if there were any insiders already active.
8. Like before, this new thread received messages from newer accounts. While only one or two were nonsense like before, some curiously ask the thread creator to "branch out" from focusing on one community or state that the thread isn't necessary. However, this isn't indicative of anything as this occurs in other threads, but it at least raises some eyebrows given the circumstances.
9. Throughout the thread, multiple embarrassing posts are made and deleted out of shame, as well. When I began to suspect the thread may have members from these grooming circles posting in it, I went through undeleting posts. One such post was from none other than Catler himself. The post makes the unintentionally ironic statement that choosing "to powerlevel on a thread" makes one "look bad no matter what one says" after Catler himself makes an extremely revealing comment doing just that. Given the unwitting humor in such a message, I quoted the post in my announcement saying I restored deleted content.
10. Catler immediately takes umbrage with this decision, posting on my profile in complaint. This is unusual to me since individuals normally complain moderators delete their content, so I was bemused to see somebody complain that their post was restored, even if the restored post was embarrassing.
11. Catler was extremely intent on hiding the information provided in the undeleted post. This is extremely suspicious for two reasons. The obvious is that the post has clear connections to the interests of the "boykisser" grooming circles. The second is that the revelation of this information is extremely in-character for Catler. He has previously expressed interests in furries and, well, being gay, and had repeatedly posted or sent users images which were both. In other words, there is zero reason for him to wish to hide this unless the exact connotations one draws from it were entirely accurate. Furthermore, calling back to point 7, if he truly wanted to be a "deep cover super agent infiltrator" in these communities, he would want to put a front suggesting he was some secret defender of them. He would only have wanted to remove this post if he had something to hide.
12. Not entirely related but amusing nonetheless, Catler was so disliked on the forum (which will be explored later) that he assumed I also disliked him, had interacted with him before, and openly stated I disliked him. All three were false at the time, as I had no awareness of him and thus had not even formed an opinion let alone ever acknowledged him until quoting his ridiculous post. When I invited him to substantiate his claim, he declined stating it was impossible. He also failed to understand that the ability to delete posts and its restricted timeframe of availability is for the intent of removing accidental posts made in user error, not embarrassing posts made with user regret.
13. Catler would then attempt to blank the post and delete it multiple times afterwards, which were repeatedly reverted. It is clear he was intent on hiding this information by any means necessary, which ironically drew even more attention to this.
14. Long before this event, Catler was known to start extensive furry erotic roleplay chains in private messages and inviting random users to them. They are not pleasant. However, this establishes both that Catler is completely unconcerned with how other users perceived him and how his interests outlined in the post he wished to delete is not something out of the ordinary given the content of the private messages he invited random users to. Pay close attention to the users who participate in this ERP, if you decide to brave reading them.
The additional full logs can be viewed in video format here, a third private chat which leaked later here, and a fourth here.
15. Eventually, a callout thread is created. During this time, the admin of Kiwi Farms begins to investigate user complaints of the ERP Catler invited people to. In response, Catler's ability to send private messages is taken away, but Catler blanks his account before it can be investigated fully. He was not banned and is still not banned.
16. There seems to be an incorrect belief that he left Kiwi Farms because his ability to send private messages was removed. Catler himself has confirmed this is not the case. He has never complained about his privileges being revoked, and directly states it is due to his post being restored. Furthermore, his complaints have been nothing but surrounding the fact his post was restored and never anything else, making it impossible to draw the conclusion his departure was due to his PM privileges being revoked given the evidence.
17. The final point, a small footnote, is that Catler is now being defended either directly, such as a user attacking another user for leaking the private messages with Catler, or indirectly, such as the curious claim that Catler only left because he suddenly didn't like the poor reception he received on the forum despite not caring mere days before rather than due to the groomer allegations. As proven by the private messages, these are users who were most genuinely engaged with Catler in the erotic role plays. These users have now made their forum activity visibility private.
As this thread has progressed, these users have tried to sell out each other to draw attention away from themselves as individuals, asserting the others are worse than they are. Below is a post by @notorietus offering highlights.
Within this post above (read for further context), the thread, was 17 pages long. It is now 61 fucking pages long (and rapidly growing) - and it gets chaotic. To sum up a majority of the thread:
-On page 19, Catler's other direct message chains (Catler's Minecraft Club + Tesla Owner's Club & Sooper Sekrit Furry Thread) get leaked by Gargamel (warning, for some devices/browsers, this WILL lag)
-On page 21, LikeRivenIRL (who also participated) & JethroTullamore both starting fighting each other in the thread
-On page 25, Omori Boy appears in the thread, and gets punished with the Disruptive Guest & his title is changed to "User has shared picture of HRT moobs in DMs." Then, he starts calling people huge faggots.
-On page 30, Omori Boy & Rozzy (who both participated) started fighting each other in direct messages, while insulting Madre Muerte. Users start digging into Madre Muerte.
-On page 33/34/35, JethroTullamore calls Madre a "zoophile faggot" and to "eat a dick", Madre states that "We have all seen the DMs" & "suck a cock!", then Omori Boy taunts Madre. Mind you, all of these people Erotic Roleplayed with each other
(credit: @Jex)
-On Page 38, Omori Boy shows that he was attempting to dox Madre Muerte on Furaffinity
-On page 41, user @Osama Bin Laden looks through Madre Muerte's posts, and finds embarrassing posts such as "Android Raptor won't have sex with me", and "I can't find female furries that tolerate BDSM & me being a racist neo-nazi" - mind you, this guy admitted to zoophilia & watching zoophilia. On page 43, he (Madre) jokes about buying underage looking robots & pedophilia.
-On page 48, Osama Bin Laden finds out Madre Muerte responds to a question about "what do you think you will go to jail for", then saying Pedophilia gets the longest sentence (and circles in that option).
-On page 54/55, Osama Bin Laden posts more horrifying (and odd) posts of Madre Muerte, such as him saying Null & him were going on a date & that he won't troon out. He (Osama) then posts about how he updated his fucking foot & him possibly buying a fursuit and possibly making more remarks of pedophilia.
-On page 57, Osama posts a post about him not showering than thrice per week & him finding it to be a hassle. (more shower shit + him being suicidal + more suicideposting)
-On page 59, Catler & Chaplainsama (he quit on Feburary 24th, 2024) were eRPing with each other.
-On page 61, Null has announced Madre Muerte has been banned from the Kiwifarms, citing that: "Sorry if that's less funny but he is more gross than I'm willing to risk."
The thread is now making fun of Madre Muerte, while Omori Boy & LikeRivenIRL both participating in this thread. Currently, the thread is now digging & beating up each other, with people now attempting to dox each other, and post embarrassing things about each other in the thread. But mainly, it's growing fast & it's people beating up each other, including the degenerates themselves that were involved.
Welcome to Kiwifarms.
EDIT 1 (10:19 PM EST on 3/3/24): A thread has been created by Null about LikeRivenIRL about him being gay & him getting banned from the "Woman-Hate thread". Null has responded with his receipts (proof).
EDIT 2 (11:22 PM EST on 3/3/24): Added Page 54/55 + 57 & 59 and updated the pages amount from 55 to 59.
EDIT 3 (12:23 AM EST on 3/4/24): Madre Muerte, has been banned from the Kiwifarms by Null. Also added pages 61.
-On page 65, @Sneed S. McSneedensen & @derpherp2 continue to fight each other on the forum. @eatler goes through more dms with Madre Muerte & Rozzy.
-On page 66, @Hollywood Hulk Hogan & @Save the Loli, both from A&N (a commonly hated board), appear after being mentioned by Sneed S. Mcsneedensen. Sneed hates Save the Loli because of of the name (assuming he is a lolicon) Save The Loli, replies with "Cope and sneed about it, faggot", with Sneedensen replies with "Kill yourself faggot"
-On page 67, derpherp2 & Sneed Mcsneedensen start fighting with each other again, calling each other oldfags and arguing with each other.
-On page 68, Madre Muerte registered to Onionfarms. He complains about Null banning him from the website.
-On page 69, Estate, another kiwifarmer, starts rating everyone's post in that thread (including my posts) the Autistic rating. People, are angered by this & start piling on insults against him, including theories that it might be Madre Muerte or Catler's alternate account.
-On page 70, everyone is fucking pissed at Estate, & they start looking through his posts, to find embarrassing posts. Estate appears in the thread and starts insulting people, while people call him thegooddoctor in disguise. Page 72/73/74, is where @Osama Bin Laden finds out Madre Muerte revealed his dick size to be 3 inches. Hollywood Hulk Hogan (HHH, who is hated on the forum for his posts/opinions) appears along with @secret watcher (reported often for using stickers without posting himself). HHH's posts about it are here and here, but he does not want to turn it into a slapfight.
On page 75, Null reveals Just a Butt & EvaXephon both reported each other & 2 different accounts for being their "socks", when they are not. Eva reveals he did this as a joke (not obviously), and Null questions if Eva is autistic.
-On page 79, it is revealed the entire KKK, K? group chat (started by Doubly Sniggly Snigger) is deleted. I have archived it. On page 80, Onionfarms now hates Madre Muerte & they call him a pedophile.
-On page 82/83, Odd Opossum starts a fight with Pissmaster for "fucking a fat chick on here when she had a STD". He posts pictures of it (which is assumed to be JambledUpWords or PeggieBigCock), and then Hollywood Hulk Hogan chimes in and gets downvoted, and continues. Also, Madre Muerte talks (on OnionFarms) about Lidl Drip (creator of man-hate thread/"queen of kiwifarms") not being a Null sock, and Onionfarms hates him.
-On page 85, Pissmaster (while Onionfarms drama between Madre Muerte continues) posts about Odd Opossum having a hate boner against him, providing proof and suggesting it is because he is a "liberal" ()
-On page 88, everyone hates Madre Muerte on Onionfarms now. (more)
-On page 89, Lurker is now brought into this by Pissmaster, because of his "right-wing shitposting", suggesting that she had been "offended". On this same page, Pissmaster & Lurker go back and forth with each other (by insults/remarks) On pages 90/91/92, this continues, with Dyn even chiming in about the ethics of fucking PeggieBigCock because she is fat. Pissmaster insists that Peggie/Jambled is "clean" and Dyn says (after derpherp2 says "it happens to the best of us", Dyn replies with "best of us don't have sex with people we meet on Kiwi Farms.".
-On page 95, Kengle (owner of OnionFarms) bans Madre Muerte (or performs "moderator duties"). Osama Bin Laden argues with Pissmaster on whether or not the "fat bitch you fucked" was clean of STDs.
-On page 96, JethroTullamore has an "Are we too arrogant?" moment (reference to felix lang/thegooddoctor), and it goes as you expect.
-On page 97, Hollywood Hulk Hogan remarks PeggieBigCock as "The only 4 about her is the first digit of her weight". (By the way, pages 89/99, people fight with each other about how Pissmaster fucked PeggieBigCock).
-We reached Page 100 after 2 days of this community post/the thread. On this same page, MarvinTheParanoidAndroid & Odd Opposum have a feud with each other.
Having archived and ordered these events, I cannot conclude without a doubt that Catler was indeed involved in the "boykisser" grooming circles. However, his actions cannot be explained otherwise, although there is a slightly possible consideration that he was a victim of these grooming circles, but he has made a few posts alluding he is in his mid-thirties or so, making this even more unlikely. It is also feasible to believe he is a scapegoat who just so happened to be the only one who got caught on the website, but there is even less evidence suggesting this.
I love this drama, but I didn't like the scattering of information, the general confusion surrounding it, and users being unaware of where to find this information. This is classic forum drama with a modern coat of paint, and a community effort at that. A large majority of the information which wasn't drawn from my own observations were from user posts either made publicly or sent to me privately. You are free to draw your own conclusions given the provided evidence. As stated, I don't speak with certainty that Catler was a part of these grooming circles and failed to do damage control, but I can speak with confidence. Either way, Catler has nuked his account and allegedly turned his password and email into gibberish, so unless he comes back with a desperate sockpuppet, we're most likely at the end of this little adventure, and given his general reception during his time on the forums, there's no love lost from Catler's departure.
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