Goonclown Steven Bonnell II / Destiny / Destiny.gg - Emotionally Unstable Manchild, Creeps on Teenagers, Incest Supporter, Degenerate Foot Sniffer, Cum Felcher, Gooner

[actual irl loser]

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about, that's not what "did alright" looks like. That's what getting stuffed into a locker looks like.
This fuckign faggot talking about vibes, you aren't a serious person.

did you even read what i said

> He looked terrible, he put forth no points, his entire debate strategy was to just screech Morris quotes back at him and ignore anything Destiny said.

this isn't vibes retard, he literally contributed nothing to the debate

 

[Pump Meat]

this is what i'm talking about when i say you're all hyper coping lmao. you can screech about credentials all you want, but the reality is, Norm did terribly in the debate, Destiny did alright.

Okay, so what were some of the points Destiny made that you thought were pretty persuasive?

 

[Tepes Thot]

Destiny did alright, but Norm absolutely was the worst in this debate. He looked terrible, he put forth no points, his entire debate strategy was to just screech Morris quotes back at him and ignore anything Destiny said.

The vibe of the debate was that Morris and Rabbani were here to have adult conversations, Destiny was here to support Morris, and Norm was just the autistic child screeching in the corner.


Norm did terrible in the debate, i don't care about his history or credentials. I'm discussing what happened in the debate, not his credentials.

Destiny didn’t really say much until the end, he just did what he always does, and that’s “ask questions” aka what he thinks are gotchas. Then when you don’t return the exact string of words he wants to trap you with, he shits himself that you didn’t answer.
Destiny even now is just retweeting people who agree with him, and looking for Norm dirt instead of going over his points, because he made little to none.

Norm engaged pretty well with Benny’s points, because he actually made them, and he was the heavier hitter of Destiny’s team.

I think Norm needs to learn to not talk over others, and I thought Rabbani looked better in that regard, but it’s not true he didn’t engage their (mainly Benny’s) assertions.

 

[Flexo]

That's not to imply that there was no repression of Jewish communities in the Arab states between 1948 and now. It's just stupid that he accuses Finkelstein repeatedly of not understanding historical nuance (what he's really upset at is that Finkelstein isn't accepting his verbal obfuscation) and then directly after chalks up the entire history of Jewish emigration out of Arab states to this implied rabid antisemitism that Arabs all seem to share. It was frustrating just listening to Morris rely on this rope-a-dope strategy, I don't blame Norman for being frustrated sitting at a table with him.

Ok so you object to his see-sawing between autistic detail and broad generalizations. Fair enough - that is annoying.

There were no expulsions, in fact many Arab governments forbade Jews from leaving, similar to the way the United States put Japanese-Americans in internment camps (and nearly at the same time). The repression against Jews at the government level involved limiting who they could do business with, forbade them from selling their lands, and so on. Riots arising as a backlash to Zionism ended up destroying synagogues and leaving varying numbers of Jews either dead or displaced from their homes. Like the internment camps these are crimes that should constitute a national shame for those nations that committed them, but it's not an expulsion.

This is why a lot of prelim debate should be clarifying terms. Unless you really want to claim that it's only expulsion if there's an official government policy of it. After all, there's no official USA government policy of expelling white people - but there's a lot details from the past 4 years someone could use to assemble a case that ejection is a goal.

But then digging into those details is what makes the study of history fun.

So long as they follow the Three Laws, I’m alright with them.
Just don’t give them emotions, they can’t handle that shit with the First and Second law.

Who said we had emotions? I get so angry at people spreading that lie!

 

[ViM]

I’m gonna answer you in good faith, even though it feels you’re pretending to not understand what everyone has laid out about his performance.

Do you honestly believe he did well? Why isn’t Destiny reiterating the points he supposedly looked good on/“won” with right now, instead of digging through documents about Norm beefing with his neighbors? He’s on Twitter rn, trying to find literally anything else on Norm to get an own. Is that a winner?

Does that honestly sound like he did good in this debate? I’ve made it clear I don’t like him, but if he’d honestly done better than I thought, I’d give him credit. I think even he knows he didn’t defend his position (whatever that truly is) very well at all. Benny carried him.

There is one way you could think Destiny won: if you know literally nothing about the subject matter, paid no attention to the actual words spoken by the debaters and simply listened to his intonation like some sort of herd animal. That's the one trick he (and other halfwit "debate streamers" like Vaush and Hasan) has mastered: sounding confident. He sounded pretty confident when he claimed that dropping a nuke on Gaza wouldn't be genocidal or that the IDF could never intentionally blow up civilians because the IDF has an internal legal department but anyone who actually stops to think goes "Wait, that's not a genius counterargument, that's completely fucking retarded"

But I think the real reason Destiny is seething is because he even lost by Bloodsports standards. The biggest thing anyone took out of the debate was Finkelstein calling "Mr. Banelli" a moron as Benny Morris, his own debate partner, laughed at him.

 

[GradeAGobbleDeeGook]

speaking of the debate, Destiny uploaded his review of the debate to his official channel
its 6 fucking hours long holyshit?!

 

[DotDem]

I just finished this shit and regret it. I usually like Tiny but he came off so insufferable in this one, it was unbearable to watch. There was a time I would recommend Norman to people but he reached academic endgame (suffering from audience capture). Benny is a fat jew who keeps saying baseless shit.

Destiny seething on twitter and digging up shit from Norms past because his arguments were so shit has been gross as fuck to see.

 

[TheBigRevelator]

I kept reading comments like this claiming that Norm kept using ad hominems and wouldn't respond to anything Destiny said, and assumed Finkelstein must have done a terrible job, but then watching roughly half of the debate so far I don't see where this is true at all. Even in the part where he calls Destiny a fantastic moron, he says there were journalists and civilians in the area Israel struck and that what they hit was just some old shack, not a "Hamas compound" like Destiny claimed.
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The four kids who were killed by a secondary strike by Israel as they were running away from the explosion, and the remnants of the building that Finkelstein claims was just some shack and Destiny/Israel claim was a Hamas naval compound. I'll leave it to you to decide which side you think is correct, but saying that Finkelstein wasn't engaging with their arguments is just silly.

On that note I'd like to say I hope Destiny never gets invited to anything like this again, I do like debates and I like that the discussion surrounding debates can often add extra context, but Jesus Christ the fact that Destiny is primarily a video game streamer means that his fans have shit up virtually every discussion of this debate I can find with pointless cheerleading. It's very obvious from their attempts to sound smart that their usual way of engaging with this kind of content is to just have it alt tabbed while they play video games and then listen when the shouting starts, because those are the only parts they actually discuss, and unsurprisingly, they don't have anything interesting or meaningful to say. I used to be more neutral on Destiny and his fanbase, but their behavior is so obnoxious it's no wonder they have a bad reputation.

Destiny was legit worse than I thought in that debate. The dude is such a pseudo it's crazy. Lex Fridman is unbelievably boring as well.

I’m gonna answer you in good faith, even though it feels you’re pretending to not understand what everyone has laid out about his performance.

Do you honestly believe he did well? Why isn’t Destiny reiterating the points he supposedly looked good on/“won” with right now, instead of digging through documents about Norm beefing with his neighbors? He’s on Twitter rn, trying to find literally anything else on Norm to get an own. Is that a winner?

Does that honestly sound like he did good in this debate? I’ve made it clear I don’t like him, but if he’d honestly done better than I thought, I’d give him credit. I think even he knows he didn’t defend his position (whatever that truly is) very well at all. Benny carried him.

Destiny's cult is coping so hard on Twitter lol.

 

[Sammich]

Destiny's cult is coping so hard on Twitter lol.

Premium cope on his youtube video too, seen some dude crying about all the "norm fans" going at him hard in the comments. Such a trash fire of a debate, can't wait to see destiny get rolled again the next time he tries his shit. I wish zizek was into more online debates, that guy always tickles me with his takes.

 

[Radon]

I have gone through a bunch of the social media reaction to the debate. Overall Destiny seems to have gotten an aggressively negative response. But I have a hard time finding any substantive criticism. If any it's meta criticism about the conduct, rhetoric, presentation... . Most are just insults which are kind of funny to read. On Finkelsteins part on the other side. There were multiple parts were the source he was supposedly quoting was actually disagreeing with him. In the beginning it was Benny Morris himself. And in the later part it was the ICJ and UN that destiny read to them, because they were blatantly misrepresenting them.

Norman Finkelstein is another proof that you can have a PHD in a certain field and still be a total moron in that field. It's the second after Richard Wolff that got exposed by Destiny. To be honest both of them didn't seem to have any credibility within its field before Destiny debated them. But having a Youtube moron that read up on a topic for a couple of weeks debate them on the facts in long form and be more correct is still wild.

 

[Victory Leo]

This debate was such a shitshow. a fat semi competent arab vs a fat semi competent jew with a retard sitting next to them to screech at random points of the debate about completely unrelated things.
half the thing is just finkelstein sneeding about shit from the jew's book
"I read your books not once, not twice, thrice each, you only wrote a few paragraphs about x!"
"it was 4 pages"
"it was a while ago but i remember it being at the end of the book!"
"it was at the start of the book"
just a constant back and forth of them arguing over books and nitpicking wording.
it wouldn't be so bad if finkelstein didnt speak at approximately 0.1 words a second and sounded like hes at the verge of tears every sentence. just an insufferable retard all around. a perfect match for destiny really.

 

[Enne]

It's crazy how many cocksuckers this manlet has running constant damage control for him, there's so many replies to this tweet from actual retards going "but Norm did it first!!!!".

https://twitter.com/wrong_shon/status/1768533673404748179

This thread even has Destiny fans showing up constantly, does talking with confidence even while saying blatantly dumb shit really win over that many people? What IQ do you have to be below to fall for this? He always complains about how other people's fanbases are worse and harass people more or whatever but I really don't see Hasan or Vaush fans in their threads at all let alone multiple posts on every page running damage control.

 

[TheBigRevelator]

I have gone through a bunch of the social media reaction to the debate. Overall Destiny seems to have gotten an aggressively negative response. But I have a hard time finding any substantive criticism. If any it's meta criticism about the conduct, rhetoric, presentation... . Most are just insults which are kind of funny to read. On Finkelsteins part on the other side. There were multiple parts were the source he was supposedly quoting was actually disagreeing with him. In the beginning it was Benny Morris himself. And in the later part it was the ICJ and UN that destiny read to them, because they were blatantly misrepresenting them.

Norman Finkelstein is another proof that you can have a PHD in a certain field and still be a total moron in that field. It's the second after Richard Wolff that got exposed by Destiny. To be honest both of them didn't seem to have any credibility within its field before Destiny debated them. But having a Youtube moron that read up on a topic for a couple of weeks debate them on the facts in long form and be more correct is still wild.

Oh shut the hell up you DGG loser

 

[#lurker]

It's crazy how many cocksuckers this manlet has running constant damage control for him, there's so many replies to this tweet from actual retards going "but Norm did it first!!!!".

https://twitter.com/wrong_shon/status/1768533673404748179

This thread even has Destiny fans showing up constantly, does talking with confidence even while saying blatantly dumb shit really win over that many people? What IQ do you have to be below to fall for this? He always complains about how other people's fanbases are worse and harass people more or whatever but I really don't see Hasan or Vaush fans in their threads at all let alone multiple posts on every page running damage control.

Honestly it's pretty funny how his sycophants are always coming into this thread to tell us how he totally didn't humiliate himself for the 100th time now.

 

[Lucas Silva #4903141]

https://twitter.com/HasPause/status/1768472024207483325

This old clip of Destiny getting cucked on a stream is making the rounds on twitter. 17K likes and 1.4K retweets. Oof.

 

[GumboVariation]

It's crazy how many cocksuckers this manlet has running constant damage control for him, there's so many replies to this tweet from actual retards going "but Norm did it first!!!!".

https://twitter.com/wrong_shon/status/1768533673404748179

This thread even has Destiny fans showing up constantly, does talking with confidence even while saying blatantly dumb shit really win over that many people? What IQ do you have to be below to fall for this? He always complains about how other people's fanbases are worse and harass people more or whatever but I really don't see Hasan or Vaush fans in their threads at all let alone multiple posts on every page running damage control.

Other than on twitter in leftist and groyper circles he did pretty good. those people would always shit on Destiny no matter what.

You have to have some type of cognitive dissonance to think Norm came out as the winner in moments like this just because he's throwing 3rd grader insults at Destiny:

https://twitter.com/Ninjamastor/status/1768529635300556846

Just one example showing Norm is dead wrong but he called him a moron so he must be winning. Actual brain worms

 

[exactly 1000 goblins]

I remember like a week or two ago on stream he was talking about making a trip to israel to interview civilians or some shit. Is this still something he still is planning on following through on? If so he needs to ramp back up the pissing-everyone-off-in-the-eastern-hemisphere tweets and make it interesting.

 

[markzuckerbergslave]

How deranged does his fanbase have to be lie about Fafsa covering everything for a poor student? His fanbase is fucking pathetic

 

[ovqsnfat]

speaking of the debate, Destiny uploaded his review of the debate to his official channel
its 6 fucking hours long holyshit?!

Hasan spent like 15+ hours of stream time over 2 days breaking down in excruciating detail how bad it went for Destiny. So don't worry, he's not the only one looking for ways to milk his own public humiliation.

https://twitter.com/Ninjamastor/status/1768529635300556846

Just one example showing Norm is dead wrong but he called him a moron so he must be winning. Actual brain worms

The argument Destiny makes that dolus specialis isn't mens rea is fucking absurd. Go back to DDG you simp.

Spoiler: Debate sperging

Dolus specialis is definitionally the type of mens rea required for genocide. This is like arguing you can't call bacon pork because it's a special subset of pork.

Also note that in this clip all Destiny really does is redirect the conversation away from Norm's point that court ruling that Israel was plausibly committing a genocide and deciding to spend years investigating it then this alone was remarkable and a sign that the case must have at least some merit. This kind of deflection from the points being made is basically all he does the entire debate.

 

[Nadine9]

How deranged does his fanbase have to be lie about Fafsa covering everything for a poor student? His fanbase is fucking pathetic

I had FASFA and I have over 30k in debt, that I’m still paying, what retards say this is free money? It’s a loan, sometimes you can be eligible for a loan that has no interest but that’s about it. I also got exactly one Pell grant in the 4yrs of college for $600, that’s it. I was making below minimum wage and living on my own so I essentially had to take everything FASFA would give me because it was supplemental income for cost of living. Literally most of my loan money went to my rent and bills because my job couldn’t even cover those expenses and I was trying to go to college to get a better job. This was over 10yrs ago so I can’t speak to if things have changed since then with that program, but that’s my experience.