Generation Z, "Ironic" Degeneracy, Sadism, and Discord - Not a fun thread

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Of interest, this thread has some statistical analysis of Discord users, their community associations, and child sexualization. Perhaps the OP who contributed to that thread may be able to provide information here that could be of relevance, specifically giving us an outline of where these group operate, target, and if they communicate with each other.
 
Personally, I think that these "ironic" hurtcore groups recruit from chud-orientated communities due to their surplus amount of nihilistic youth. They use edgy iconography to make posting with them "fun" and "based", offer attention and a sense of community by having an in-group that participates in something (usually raiding), and then their upper-level organizers manipulate those below them to hurt others, or hurt themselves, to satisfy their sick fetishes. I have no proof of this, but this is one hunch I have currently given all that I've seen, still, hard evidence of this pattern of behavior is necessary to properly prove or else any action born of this thread will devolve into indescript witch-hunting instead of proper informative posts identifying bad behavior that can be shared to keep the vulnerable safe.
Couldn't have been said any better. It's a sad reality the one we are facing, really. A lot of lonely teenagers using the internet to cope, falling intro extremist groups which easily devolves into them becoming prey of all kinds of nasty people and ideologies. I think you are hitting the nail right on the spot regarding the chud to goon pipeline, one thing that stuck with me while browsing /gif/ (there are some interesting threads from time to time like the gondola ones but the board overall is infested with porn to a point where it's borderline unbrowseable) is the amount of bbc threads and blacked threads and one thing I have noticed is exactly that, one time I remember clicking on one of those threads out of curiosity and comment really stuck with me, something about a chuddy saying that "porn is supposed to make your feel bad about yourself", it's those kinds of self destructive thoughts which can easily devolve into worse things.
 
Zoomers were children not too long ago. They probably don't see it as bad because "they were once kids and it isn't as bad between two kids"
The earlier Z's were actually born in the late(ish) 90s, putting them in their mid- 20s now. If any of the earlier half of the generation is legitimately thinking like this still they are lost causes.
 
Very interesting thread, and I already see some arguing.
Others have said better, but this is what happens when youngsters have free internet access, parents aren't concerned enough how to raise their children correctly (giving them cellphones too young, etc), and to whoever finds this sperging - too bad: removing God from society.
I fear what will come from Generation Alpha (2010 to 2025), and later on, Generation Beta (whenever that will be).
 
Oh, one other thing about this phenomenon: it isn't just an American or western thing. China has its own problems with typically-younger cat torturers that organize on Telegram, which @Relinquish recently created a thread to help document: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/xu-zhi...cat-torture-groups-chinese-zoosadists.187691/

This would seem to lend much stronger credence to the notion that the problem (or at least a part of it) has less to do with intrinsic cultural problems of the west (or a glowie conspiracy from the 60's like that one retard on the last page said) and more to do with the connectivity of the Internet being abused by bad actors to expose children to depravity and through them perpetuate the cycle of abuse.
 
This would seem to lend much stronger credence to the notion that the problem (or at least a part of it) has less to do with intrinsic cultural problems of the west (or a glowie conspiracy from the 60's like that one retard on the last page said) and more to do with the connectivity of the Internet being abused by bad actors to expose children to depravity and through them perpetuate the cycle of abuse.
I was going to make a detailed post about shit going on and patterns of behavior etc etc. But then you made this retarded line of reasoning. The best explanation is Glownigger shit, and it is obvious and there are even known connections to O9A with some of the groups you mentioned.

Weird group chats that spread animal torture, CSAM or even gore have existed forever on the internet. The Dark Web used to be full of that shit with people in IRC channels doing this stuff. You have to look no further than the situation with Snakething and Kero the Wolf. Really fucked up people get together and do fucked up shit all the time. Maybe people don't know this because they haven't been around for very long and they only really experienced a sanitized internet.

If you don't think this is Glownigger shit why are you even making this thread? There is nothing else really to say.

You can explain it really simply as the internet makes it really easy for bad people to target vulnerable children and those bad people are not always caught. Combine this with more children being exposed to porn at a young age, more children being sexually abused and more children being socially isolated and you basically explain everything. What more is there to say if there is no greater pattern.

@LarpBait Great posts I think your approach is fantastic. Pattern recognition and putting things into a clear framework that describes these groups at a high level is a really good fucking way to actually understand these types of groups. Part of what makes them function is their ability to manipulate and hide information. Take that away and you strip them of all of their power. Pattern recognition is a great method to do this.
 
The best explanation is Glownigger shit, and it is obvious and there are even known connections to O9A with some of the groups you mentioned.
If you don't think this is Glownigger shit why are you even making this thread? There is nothing else really to say.
What more is there to say if there is no greater pattern.
So the phenomenon has to be caused by glowies because if it isn't caused by glowies then multiple groups of children collecting and distributing CSAM isn't worth caring about??? I'm gonna assume you just worded that extremely badly, because it also sounds like you're saying Kero and Snakething are glowies, which is similarly unhinged. Do you have any actual evidence to support your theory that everything outlined in the OP is the result of intelligence agencies?
 
This behavior, which is almost always perpetuated by small groups of users that organize on Discord, Telegram, and/or Matrix, is very often comorbid with sadistic / exploitative tendencies, with group members often also being involved in the commission and trading of self-harm content (such as "cutsigns", when a person cuts someone else's username into themselves),
A good specific example for this is Meowbah, a now canceled/retired PNG tuber, rewarding her discord members for self harming because meowbah said she self harms as well and it's not a big deal.

She also posted and encourages posting gore/death/execution videos despite the fact her server had minors on it that participated in the act.

https://youtu.be/HHSz77fy8d0?si=Y_islpkIPogCOkBV
 
he was just there, that was in the spambox chat. not the verified chat. view the previous uttp and foodist leaks by the sharty and compare which one reginmyre is in more. believe what you want i guess though.


show me, if this is even true why is it a big deal anyway


@Sprate Header is obsessed with edgy teenagers online.
Kill yourself.
 
@aad Question for you, do your parents know that your pushing these viewpoints and know what groups you are in? If you're being groomed by "fellow teenagers" let me tell you, they are not teenagers. Sure, there are plenty of people "your age" but your groups that you run PR for? They're being lead by people in their mid 30's early 40's.
I hate to be the one to tell you this kid, but you're being groomed, and you should be asking for help rather than trying to defend the people who are actively grooming you.
 
If you don't think this is Glownigger shit why are you even making this thread
So far, I see little evidence to suggest that there are greater powers at play here. That lack of evidence doesn't mean it's impossible, but it does mean that it cannot be taken for granted as a given.

Even if this turns out to be some government psyop that will never be cleaned up by law enforcement agencies, it doesn't mean that good can't be done by documenting and archiving this information for future use.

Various forum admins, community leaders, and parents can use knowledge gained here practically to keep those that they're responsible for safe from these actors, or goad them away from falling into their clutches. If there is good progress here, im sure that the information can be "sanitized" from its kiwifarms origin and distributed in a way that's easy to digest for the common internet user as a form of PSA.

I don't believe this is a government psyop, personally, and think that these groups can be identified, named, and information submitted to law enforcement to aid in proper investigations.
What more is there to say if there is no greater pattern.
I believe there is a greater pattern. There are too many similarities between various hurtcore groups in their behavior for there to not be, at the very minimum, an undocumented subculture that they all share. We're far beyond the point of coincidence, and this thread hopefully can serve as a central area to map out this behavior. It's just a matter of actually doing it.
 
The earlier Z's were actually born in the late(ish) 90s, putting them in their mid- 20s now. If any of the earlier half of the generation is legitimately thinking like this still they are lost causes.
To me, zoomer is just anyone below the age of 25. If we're talking about foodists and 'cord fags, gen alphas make up the majority of both communities.
 
Oh, one other thing about this phenomenon: it isn't just an American or western thing. China has its own problems with typically-younger cat torturers that organize on Telegram, which @Relinquish recently created a thread to help document: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/xu-zhi...cat-torture-groups-chinese-zoosadists.187691/

This would seem to lend much stronger credence to the notion that the problem (or at least a part of it) has less to do with intrinsic cultural problems of the west (or a glowie conspiracy from the 60's like that one retard on the last page said) and more to do with the connectivity of the Internet being abused by bad actors to expose children to depravity and through them perpetuate the cycle of abuse.
This is a completely different phenomenon. China/azns in general have largely not given a fuck about animal (or people) torture since the dawn of time. Look at what they eat, hell look at Wuhan market, you can find the entire petting zoo on the menu. Plus don't forget their belief that suffering makes the meat tasty. Their children grow up among cruelty and sick fucks can run rampant. The only thing internet does here is give them ability to broadcast what happens there to the whole world.
 
foodists and uttp dont have strong connections
Hello again aad, we've talked before, you've claimed internal knowledge on many of these groups, and seem to have some kind of faction map of what goes on internally, listing various groups of interests, namely the UTTP and Foodists, in terms of their relations to each other. on other threads here, here, here, and particularly here.

This implies some level of connection with these groups. Would it be possible for you to inform us in the internal operations of some of them, i.e hierarchies, recruitment methods, and ways of joining? Along with this, symbols or internal memes to these groups would be informative. If these groups really are different from each other, and do hate each other, then learning the differences between them may make us less mistakes when discussing them.
 
This is a completely different phenomenon
I would say that these groups are still worth keeping an eye on as a source for depraved content. I wouldn't be shocked if the more sadistic types would be customers of these people or otherwise source shock content from them.
 
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● We're just seeing more degeneracy because more people are more online...

● And the degenerates find each other and their degeneracy snowballs within groups.

● The Internet is just people. It's a problem with society, not communications technology. Back in Web 1.0 days - within the constaraints of low bandwidth and much fewer people online - there was still lots of groomers, gore and other edgy shit because it was an glorious unmoderated wild west.

● BUT users were still mostly affluent white people raised in a society with standards, values and certain expectations of behaviour an they still touched grass.

● Smartphones mean it's Eternal September and society has been sucessfully dumbed down and engineered to create retarded narcissist consumers, so these hoardes of idiot children are defenceless against any degeneracy they stumble across.

I hate that it makes it easier to argue for an even MORE censored corporate controlled Internet (which is partly what got us here). If kids were rased right i a robust society we could throw them to an unmoderated internet and they'd have the integrity and critical thinking to navigate it.
 
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