Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Mellow Malevolent]

Well, ritual eunuchs are by far the minority of all eunuchs that existed. Most, like the legions of them in China or the Ottoman Empire, were prisoners and slaves who were castrated as a way of removing the danger of cuckoldry for the nobles and royalty who used them.

But in general the problem is with history as polemic vs history as analytical exercise. Because many works of history (and anthropology) historically contained a lot of biases in one direction, there's a certain cadre of activist academia (basically all of critical theory) that seems to believe that distorting in the other direct is somehow needed to balance things out. They wouldn't articulate it this way but it boils down to that. For every one interesting paper examining some obscure or overlooked element of previous eras, there's ten arguing that because Hatshepsut wore the Pharaoh's beard in her royal regalia she must have wanted to have a penis installed (or some similar garbage).

To be fair, as a I said the opposite problem was very prevalent in scholarship in the late 19th and earlier 20th century, but critical theory really needs to be reigned in and its more ridiculous excesses purged.

 

[Dick Mason]

I'm glad I delayed my meal. I'm afraid to scroll back up now. Hasty exit necessary. See you on 1264.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

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Spoiler that shit. Jfc.

 

[Bloo]

In my country you have to stay in overnight after minor surgery. Really they want to make sure you can pee. I had minor surgery last year and my bladder didn't wake back up until 2am after getting anesthetic at 1pm the previous day so that's an over night stay.

Anyhoo.

7 weeks post OP ditch:

Spoiler: LOL

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I have no idea what he is talking about.

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Ohhhhh. LOL

I always love it when even they even admit that they don’t know wtf they’re supposed to be looking at lmao

 

[thefreshmaker]

Some authors have taken to using the word "queer" and "queering", a term that I despise because it's just as anachronistic as anything else and yet they pretend that it isn't.

Important to note that "queering" in these circles doesn't just mean making it gay or whatever, it is general subversion. "Queering", or being "queered" or making something "queer" (has it lost meaning for you yet?) is essentially about changing something from the "status quo", or accepted cultural norms.

Having a nose ring is "queer". Having colored hair is "queer". Being polyamorous is "queer". Having Tourettes is "queer". Being black is "queer". Being a gay black in the ghetto is super "queer". It's just another way of saying it's different from the mainstream, but more particularly about being in some way against the mainstream and revolutionary. Red or blue hair is not, by itself, particularly an issue. I myself used to wear pink hair because I liked the color. For these types though, it goes beyond that; sort of like how biker's have certain rules about how you wear a certain type of material or style, the "queers" will say only they own these particular styles and that they are revolutionary and against the system. Showing kids sexual topics will break down the hierarchy of sex, and wearing these "queer" clothes will break down the hierarchy of clothes.

There's a reason otherwise straight and white women call themselves queer, and it's because it's not about gay or straight, it's a label used to denote political allegiance. When people are "queering" something they mean they are taking it and subverting it against the structures of the dominant society. In this case, "queering" a historical character breaks down the sanctity of these figures, debases them in the eyes of the majority culture, and turns them into puppets of the revolution.

For example, let's take a King of England. While for decades this particular king may have been suspected as being gay, historians aren't sure and leave it interpretation. The revolutionaries will take this and say that, no, he was gay 100%. The prime figure of hierarchy and status quo and tradition and so on was actually an immensely queer figure who was having gay slumber parties and orgies in the Tower of London all the time and raging against the machine of the society he was forced into, such a subversive figure is surely a role model for our modern times! Of course the reality is that the past was a foreign country, and men sleeping together and having friends back then was as normal as sleeping alone in the dark and having no friends is today.

 

[Peaches Demure]

@Mellow Malevolent

The modern construction of the gay identity does not match what people in other time periods would have understood though. Same-sex sexual contact with both women and men is recorded many time in historical records, but it doesn't mean that they would have understood themselves as exclusively lesbians, gay men or even bisexual. Hell, it's pretty common across history to see same-sex sexual activity in sex segregated or single sex spaces, like most ship crews were for a large chunk of history, the "prison gay" effect is real. That specific phenomenon does not make them rainbow glitter fags. Nor does it mean that removed from that particular environment they would continue to have those contacts.

The two salient dimensions of human sexuality - clinically, that is - are sexual orientation and sexual behavior. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or a sexologist, for that matter) to understand that a person can behave in opposition of their sexual orientation for any length of time, but their true orientation will manifest itself when they are free to choose their sexual behavior. In practice, this might mean that a homosexual man marries a woman anyway to produce an heir because that is a social expectation placed upon him, or that a heterosexual man addicted to drugs will prostitute himself for wealthy gay men to fund his addiction.

There are fairly reliable ways to determine a person's sexual orientation, and those are the measurement of penile tumescence and eye tracking. In short, you show the test subjects erotic images and measure how much blood goes to their dicks, and what their eyes are actually tracking. The ratio of homosexual to heterosexual men in the population is fairly constant throughout cultures, and I don't doubt that this method could have been applied with equal success to previous generations.

Sadly the research being carried out today does not focus on sexual orientation or sexual behavior or how these two dimensions intersect, but on sexual identity. There is no historical equivalent of this phenomenon. It's a political position, not a clinical feature, for starters, and yet it has become the only criterion given any kind of credence in today's research. Since it's been touted that sexual identity is totally removed from sexual orientation and sexual behavior, we now have people whose behavior is exclusively heterosexual "self-identifying" into the "gay" category, which of course skews research findings even more. 'Trans' has made it all the more ridiculous, but the notion that you can be slotted into "homosexual" or "heterosexual" or some other category altogether purely on the basis of "sexual identity" is frankly insane.

 

[monstrous bubo]

Most, like the legions of them in China or the Ottoman Empire, were prisoners and slaves who were castrated as a way of removing the danger of cuckoldry for the nobles and royalty who used them.

When you’re talking about conquest, there’s also the sexual humiliation and genocidal implications to consider. It’s a great warning not to rebel or resist. Now self-gelding is a point of pride. O tempora, o mores.

Of course the reality is that the past was a foreign country

Not to derail the thread, but race-blind casting in historical dramas is related to this. It projects today’s racial aspirations back onto history and perversely erases the reality of fluctuating racial attitudes over time. I have had to tell people that no, George III’s wife wasn’t black, and Bridgerton is a fantasy. Don’t get me started on Cleopatra was black… the bizarre effect is that we don’t just get distorted history. It is that attention and resources get diverted from non-European history (which is fascinating). And the message is that if you’re not part of a narrow slice of European history, you don’t count. Actual white supremacists couldn’t have done better.

Please feel free to draw your own parallels with today’s gender movement and the horrors in this thread.

 

[MajinGoku]

Does anyone else feel worried about all the kids who were brainwashed by social media into transgenderism. There are parents out there giving their children life altering puberty blockers and its perfectly legal. I wonder what these people will look like in 30 years

 

[Hellblazer]

KF is very fucked with video uploads. Tor is the only way that works reliably but Tor is v-e-r-y s-s-s-l-o-w.

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I think Null is on the case now, he acknowledged it as an issue on a recent MATI stream.

 

[thefreshmaker]

Not to derail the thread, but race-blind casting in historical dramas is related to this. It projects today’s racial aspirations back onto history and perversely erases the reality of fluctuating racial attitudes over time. I have had to tell people that no, George III’s wife wasn’t black, and Bridgerton is a fantasy. Don’t get me started on Cleopatra was black… the bizarre effect is that we don’t just get distorted history. It is that attention and resources get diverted from non-European history (which is fascinating). And the message is that if you’re not part of a narrow slice of European history, you don’t count. Actual white supremacists couldn’t have done better.

I think it's a spectrum, I'm more okay with a Shakespearean play having black Macbeth so long as the actor is classically trained and can hit it out of the park; stage plays going back to the days on Ancient Greece are almost built to be like that. I'm also fine with men playing women and women being barred from the stage, so long as it works to the production's benefit.

The main issue for me is in otherwise serious productions, or what you might call "normal" media, your average TV show or film or video game. They don't have a history of the weird way the script is designed for a very specific actor style, so when you see a black King George or whatever it is very jarring.

Does anyone else feel worried about all the kids who were brainwashed by social media into transgenderism

At this point it is too horrifying for me to even ask myself the question. It feels like we're in the middle of Aktion T4, but the retards are begging to be murdered and the moral arbiters of the modern world will destroy you if you think life is sacred.

I'm happier to laugh at the fully aware adults making these decisions because then I don't feel like the one sane man in clown world.

 

[I call shenanigans]

Does anyone else feel worried about all the kids who were brainwashed by social media into transgenderism. There are parents out there giving their children life altering puberty blockers and its perfectly legal.

Do you know where you are? Have a think about it.

KF kills trannies allegedly. No-one here is going to be supporting the medical transitioning of children.

 

[Hellblazer]

I've started drafting a post about the 'world famous' Gender Reassignment Surgeons butchers of Kamol Hospital. Some of the videos on their You Tube page are just sad beyond belief (archive).

They offer discounts for trans influencers, and another discount on top if they're willing to let them film a video gushing about the clinic, to be used in advertising material.

In one such videos, trans influencer Rodriguez 'Jessica' Alves almost breaks down in the middle of filming - and NOT with trans joy.. Yet, somehow, the clinic thinks it's a great advert.

Upload never works for me on here, but here's a link to the timestamp:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p7OXiFvWrSc&t=109s

This is just the tip of the iceberg. There's tons of other videos on there, and I've watched most of them.

There's also pre-transition footage (filmed by Kamol Hospital) - the contrast with post surgery is very apparent, and I don't think it's just the meds or anaesthetic.

Has anyone documented Kamol Hospital already? I did a search but it didn't come up.

I completely forgot that I was going to do this. It's something I feel really strongly about, so Ive put a reminder in my phone. Prodding/nagging would be welcomed. Sometimes I'll hit snooze so many times that my phone just gives up in disgust.

 

[MajinGoku]

Do you know where you are? Have a think about it.

KF kills trannies allegedly. No-one here is going to be supporting the medical transitioning of children.

I know people here dont support transgenderism. I was just pointing out that social media is promoting kids cutting off their own genitals. I was asking what the effects of that would be on society in 30 years.

 

[You're MDNWU]

I know people here dont support transgenderism. I was just pointing out that social media is promoting kids cutting off their own genitals. I was asking what the effects of that would be on society in 30 years.

Just re-listening to Null's stream he did with Jim and Null mentions something like we'll see a resurgence of serial killers akin to the 70s and it honestly makes sense and it'll likely be far far worse.

Now what will that do as a whole for the West? Probably fuck us even further if we're still a thing by then.

 

[Mellow Malevolent]

Spoiler: Sperging on Trans identities and Science

@Peaches Demure It goes back to the symbolic and the real for me, which is the obvious tripping point for any sort of scientific approach to the trans phenomenon. If we were to try to approach this from the hypothetical viewpoint of an external non-human observer trying to classify human sexual dynamics, like if we are approaching it etiologically, we observe that a certain subset of both sexes exhibit behavior outside of the norm of the majority of the sex, both in terms of sexual behaviors, sexual attraction (I'd almost say this would be the equivalent of what we call mate selection behaviors in animals), and what we would call gendered behavior, as in (often society-specific) behaviors that are coded socially for one sex or the other, some of which seem to be broadly cross-cultural and therefore possibly based in the evolved cognitive tendencies of either sex. All of these things are observable patterns, and would be able to be evident even if the hypothetical observer was unable to understand the language of the observed population. The external labels that the observers would use could then fall into things equivalent to gay and straight, male and female, or any other model of the different types of behaviors observed.

But none of those observable realities correlate to transness, in fact, the entire movement has continuously insisted that these identities cannot be reduced to any sort of observable behavioral tendencies. Trans identity is putting the model first and trying desperately to jam observations into that straightjacket, essuing any sort of deductive or inductive reasoning in favor of something closer to religious apologia.

Spoiler: Sperging on Race-blind casting

When you’re talking about conquest, there’s also the sexual humiliation and genocidal implications to consider. It’s a great warning not to rebel or resist. Now self-gelding is a point of pride. O tempora, o mores.



Not to derail the thread, but race-blind casting in historical dramas is related to this. It projects today’s racial aspirations back onto history and perversely erases the reality of fluctuating racial attitudes over time. I have had to tell people that no, George III’s wife wasn’t black, and Bridgerton is a fantasy. Don’t get me started on Cleopatra was black… the bizarre effect is that we don’t just get distorted history. It is that attention and resources get diverted from non-European history (which is fascinating). And the message is that if you’re not part of a narrow slice of European history, you don’t count. Actual white supremacists couldn’t have done better.

Please feel free to draw your own parallels with today’s gender movement and the horrors in this thread.

I've seen this described as an "american brain rot" approach to diversity, in that it understands diversity only from the lens of a large american Metropolis (and if we're honest, New York and/or LA specifically, sometimes Chicago). It's purely in terms of skin color varieties with everyone agreeing with a dominant cultural elite. It's a thoughtless meta-textual virtue signalling process who's purpose isn't to try and reframe some element of the narrative to make a new point, merely to communicate that this property is halal for tumblerites because it reproduces the specific racial dynamics they believe is good at the moment (with Cleopatra, that was "BLACK QUEENS YAAASSSSS"). As you said, there's no attempt to explore beyond the standard tropes and basic narratives, just blackwash them for cultural points.

The Cleopatra one I find funny because there is a story from even earlier than that that I always though would make a good historical epic that no one has ever touched. One of the legends associated to the Alexander Romance is him falling in love with the Queen of Ethiopia. There's your multiracial epic historical romance, without putting a Greek woman in black face to make some tedious, distorted point about black Pharaohs.

I think it's a spectrum, I'm more okay with a Shakespearean play having black Macbeth so long as the actor is classically trained and can hit it out of the park; stage plays going back to the days on Ancient Greece are almost built to be like that. I'm also fine with men playing women and women being barred from the stage, so long as it works to the production's benefit.

The main issue for me is in otherwise serious productions, or what you might call "normal" media, your average TV show or film or video game. They don't have a history of the weird way the script is designed for a very specific actor style, so when you see a black King George or whatever it is very jarring.

I think it has to do with the purpose the casting is doing. Bridgerton at least seems to be from what I remember positing a racially integrated alternate history to justify the Jane Austen lite but with non-white people drama, which whatever, at least part of the point seems to be that specifically. What I can't stand is when they will have a black dwarf, a black elf, a random chinese man in an otherwise ethnically homogenous society. Again, the difference between a purposeful attempt to use casting to change context versus lazy pandering.

Actual thread tax:

Not a horror story, but an absurd delusion on this pooner's part

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Yes I'm sure the Lion's mane is what is making the tip of your skin sausage experience "erotic sensation"


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I did find the old Jezebel article I mentioned a while back that tried to frame the wild west of modern trans surgeries, which contains both sentences talking about how vaginoplasty dates back over a hundred years and is perfectly safe, and has quotes like this:



A hilarious exercise in doublethink. Probably already posted but I remember encountering this article in 2020 and thinking "how could someone possibly write this and not think there's something seriously wrong with transitioning"

 

[Cuckoman]

God damn, spoiler that shit.
Now I have to go wipe vomit off my keyboard. Thankyou very much.

 

[Jacinthe]

Someone who had surgery in america please enlighten me, do doctors really not give a fuck in general there?

A friend of mine had surgery to reconstruct a bunch of ligaments in her knee. As soon as she could hobble around on crutches and piss, the hospital booted her out, even with not waking up in a timely manner after the anesthesia.

She recovered alright, but that hospital really should've kept her overnight at least.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Just re-listening to Null's stream he did with Jim and Null mentions something like we'll see a resurgence of serial killers akin to the 70s and it honestly makes sense and it'll likely be far far worse.

Now what will that do as a whole for the West? Probably fuck us even further if we're still a thing by then.

Theres about 11 serial killers currently active in the US according to the FBI.
I know theres the guy over in Jefferson Davis Parish in Louisiana thats killed 8 people, and theres the Long Island killer thats been going for about 20 years now.
Supposedly some guy in Mesa, Arizona too.
I don't know about the rest but the thought of 11 of the fuckers out there is yet another reason to stay strapped.

 

[Poonocchio]

God damn, spoiler that shit.
Now I have to go wipe vomit off my keyboard. Thankyou very much.

Okay but.. imagine the smell.

 

[thefreshmaker]

I don't know about the rest but the thought of 11 of the fuckers out there is yet another reason to stay strapped.

Just don't be a woman or gay. If you are gay, don't be a bottom. If you are a woman, avoid being blonde or being attractive.