Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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Lol I'm aware of the ethnic makeup of the country. I just forgot that "indigenous" always means "exotic and brown" now.
Sorry wasn't trying to mean anything by it, it is something I've seen more and more where the term essentially is synonymous with "non-white"

An article on the new version of Shogun I saw in Jacobin talked about the colonial European arrogance in the face of "Indigenous" Japanese culture.

It was not a good article. It does seem to be another way wokeness is just mutating terms and arguments to fit their childishly simplistic worldview.

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A novel horror, to me at least, Vocal Feminization Surgery. There really aren't many of these procedures that can't go disastrously wrong


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VFS failed, venting
Not typing the name of the surgeon, since they're doing their best to help me out of this hell. I guess this is mostly for me to gather my thoughts and let all these feelings out.

About 6 weeks ago I underwent VFS. Followed the post-op care instructions to the letter. No coughing, talking, mouthing, excercising, throat clearing. Anything that would make the vocal cords move. Even did the voice steaming thing 4 times a day that was recommended in the after-care instructions.

Two weeks of voice rest was finally over, I could start with soft voice excercises. I follow them to the letter as well, make sure I don't overdo it.

End of week two I start to feel pain in my throat and my voice drops, so panic begins to set in. Contact surgeon and a local ENT, and we confirm that one suture has dissolved way too early. But the web is holding despite the suture dissolving, so two more weeks and a bit of voice rest should give it time to heal in place without it.

Two weeks pass, another camera down my nose and the web is inflamed but stable enough to start using my voice carefully.

I start excercises and am cleared to talk a few minutes a day. And after a few days my voice is starting to take shape, and for the first time since I was a kid, I finally had a voice that was me. I was almost crying from happines a few times when I spoke.

Two days ago, I get home from work. Something feels of in my throat. I'd felt several snaps the past week weeks in my throat, assumed today was the same. Just cartilage or something when I move my neck. Thought it was the same, but it felt different. Kinda like something had shifted around, and slowly I started to get a metallic taste in the back of my throat and mild pain from my throat down to about where my collarbones meet.

I did a voice excercise, and it just sounds... wrong. I'm down from 210hz to 100hz. And my voice is clear while a couple of hours ago it was light but hoarse. Testing my range I could even go lower and not above 150hz any longer.

From now leading up until today, I've been a mess. It's not been a good time. Even my partner took time of work because she's worried over my mental health from this.

For a few days, even though I could not use it a lot, I didn't want to throw up from the sound of my own voice. For a few days, I got to feel what it felt to be content with my voice. And I lost it. That feeling was taken from me by whatever it was that happened.

Today I had a tele-meeting with the surgeon. Impossible to say to 100% what has happened, but it sounds like a web breakdown. So now my vocal cords are back to pre-op again and I need to let them rest while we try to book a time for a checkup.

That means no using my voice for a week more, and after that until a revision I cannot even use my trained voice. The vocal cords must be as relaxed as possible for another 2 months until we can try again. And I dont know how I'm supposed to function with this hell of a voice that I have right now until a revision.

This has only happene to one other patient for this surgeon, many years ago. Early suture breakdown was rare as it is, but complete web breakdown has only happened once. Or well, twice now with me.

Fuck.

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Fucking around with your ability to speak is the height of mental illness. Its not going to help you fool people into thinking you're a fucking woman, Mr Gumb, you're just risking losing your ability to speak outside a whisper for zero gain.
Once the fetish sets in it consumes these sad faggots doesn't it?
 
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This has only happene to one other patient for this surgeon, many years ago. Early suture breakdown was rare as it is, but complete web breakdown has only happened once. Or well, twice now with me.
Oh I’m sure. It’s only happened one other time. This is such a simple thing, I’m sure it works 99.999% of the time.
 
Fucking around with your ability to speak is the height of mental illness. Its not going to help you fool people into thinking youre a fucking woman, Mr Gumb, you're just risking losing your ability to speak outside a whisper for zero gain.
Once the fetish sets in it consumes these sad faggots doesn't it?
What gets me is that this procedure was apparently a total failure, and he's right back to thinking about doing it again. He doesn't seem to realize that scar tissue on the vocal cords lowers your voice's pitch, so this idea that he can just go back to square one and start again will really be dependent on whether or not this first surgery caused scar tissue. He tasted blood in his mouth and doesn't worry about the possibility of permanent damage at all.

Or even just ending up with the croaky whisper of a throat cancer patient
 
What gets me is that this procedure was apparently a total failure, and he's right back to thinking about doing it again. He doesn't seem to realize that scar tissue on the vocal cords lowers your voice's pitch, so this idea that he can just go back to square one and start again will really be dependent on whether or not this first surgery caused scar tissue. He tasted blood in his mouth and doesn't worry about the possibility of permanent damage at all.

Or even just ending up with the croaky whisper of a throat cancer patient
I don't know what Discord put the idea of "Vocal Feminizing Surgery" into this crazy faggots head but he's gonna keep chasing the dragon now until he's got one of those little boxes you used to see the old dudes in the 80's that smoked 60 Marlboro Reds a day used to have to use.
 
What gets me is that this procedure was apparently a total failure, and he's right back to thinking about doing it again. He doesn't seem to realize that scar tissue on the vocal cords lowers your voice's pitch, so this idea that he can just go back to square one and start again will really be dependent on whether or not this first surgery caused scar tissue. He tasted blood in his mouth and doesn't worry about the possibility of permanent damage at all.

Or even just ending up with the croaky whisper of a throat cancer patient
The crazy thing is, he found out what it was like to not be able to speak, and to not be able to speak above a whisper and then had the incredible good fortune to have a failure that returned his previous voice to him essentially unchanged, and he wants to risk it all over again!
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but this is nothing new. they always do this. surgery, fail, surgery, fail. my fake dick rotted off, let me just get some skin from over here now. my fake urethra failed. what other part of my body can I flay to try to create another fake urethra? the first cavity they drilled in my body failed, let me just try again with my colon, maybe that'll work.
 
Haven't any of these people, or their doctors, heard of tissue expanders? I mean, if Donald Trump could have gotten one 40 years ago before he had his bald spot removed (I kid you not, that's where I first heard of them!) why couldn't they get one installed ahead of time on the phallic donor site?
 
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I don't think a single paper from 1966 (lol), which seems to be the only source of the claim that somehow the epithelial cells become identical, with no expansion on how that could possibly be true, is something that needs refuting. Apparently skin in a pocket naturally turns into vaginal walls. Who needs stem cells!

Why would dilation be needed then?

Interesting to see an old proto version of that argument though
 
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I don't think a single paper from 1966 (lol), which seems to be the only source of the claim that somehow the epithelial cells become identical, with no expansion on how that could possibly be true, is something that needs refuting. Apparently skin in a pocket naturally turns into vaginal walls. Who needs stern cells!

Why would dilation be needed then?

Interesting to see an old proto version of that argument though

The author also seems to cites a paper from 1956 that supposedly demonstrates how the neovagina “functions” like an actual vagina. It’s from 1956, so who knows how reliable that is.

“Pierce et. al. (1956) demonstrated the conversion of skin to vaginal epithelium, which after twenty years, included normal vaginal PH levels, complete loss of hair, complete loss of pigment, complete loss of sweat glands, and normal vaginal epithelial glycogen levels. They proposed, "the process is not one of metaplasia, for no new cell types are produced. Rather, there is alteration of existing cell layers and the loss of the skin organs." (p.6)

Oh, and apparently the penile skin magically becomes exactly like that of a real vagina.

“Those post-operative male-to-female transsexuals who amuse themselves with the peculiar statement that they still have a penis, but that it's just turned inside-out should note that not only do they not have a penis, but they don't even have skin of the penis any more. The histology of the tissue has changed. It also responds to hormones in an identical way as does a normal vagina, with "cyclic cornification and mucification" (Sherfey, 1973).”

I’m not very well-versed in science or anything like that, but I sometimes hear troons argue about “histology” and how it makes their vaginas actual vaginas. What exactly do they mean?
 
Anyone have any response to this old article that claims that neovaginas are the same as the actual ones?

I don't give a shit about muh academic studies since lab coats have been for sale since what? 1920?
Science and The Science™ split a long time ago. You can't tell me a dick inverted by pervert Science™ is remotely similar to something created/evolved over millenia.
 
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Histology is just the study of microanatomy of tissues. That's what this article you posted is saying, that on a tissue level neovaginas are identical. Which like I said, I'm gonna need something more than a paper from the 60s to believe. Needs a little more peer review and triangulation. Especially since that article is claiming that all forms of neovaginas are identical, so both inverted penile tissue and the lining of the sigmoid colon apparently normalized to the same tissue?

Like really?
 
Histology is just the study of microanatomy of tissues. That's what this article you posted is saying, that on a tissue level neovaginas are identical. Which like I said, I'm gonna need something more than a paper from the 60s to believe. Needs a little more peer review and triangulation. Especially since that article is claiming that all forms of neovaginas are identical, so both inverted penile tissue and the lining of the sigmoid colon apparently normalized to the same tissue?

Like really?
Yeah, to suggest that penile tissue and the sigmoid colon apparently turn into the same tissue does seem bizarre. Plus, the website has apparently been taken down. Maybe that could give us a clue as to how reliable it is.
 
Yeah, to suggest that penile tissue and the sigmoid colon apparently turn into the same tissue does seem bizarre. Plus, the website has apparently been taken down. Maybe that could give us a clue as to how reliable it is.
The vaginal epithelium also directly responds to estrogen and becomes thicker and more differentiated with it. There's just no way for me to believe that the sigmoid colon would be able to respond the same way, this claim is basically saying that a male body is able actively convert only the cells in an arbitrary extra pocket created in the abdomen into cells that respond to hormones, but not identical cells within other parts of the body.

Like I said, I need some sort of causal mechanism to explain that, otherwise those singular papers from the ' '50s, '60s and '70s would seem to be pseudoscholarship trying to push a false narrative about surgical techniques

I mean if that can happen, why can't you just regrow a penis?
 
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