Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel

[DoesNotLinkToYou]

Here is a spine of a normal dog vs something like a frechy or pug.(I use those breeds as examples but this is found in many of these "premium" dog breeds) a spine isn't supposed to be at a fucking angle. And this isn't even the worst. There are many images of almost 90° angle spines. This isn't a mutation in a couple of individuals. This is the breeding standard. to breeders this is a desirable trait among many other destructive traits. And it isn't just for small breeds there are examples of even large breeds like German Shapeards that are the big versions of these little mutants in this thread.

I had some trouble figuring out which side is the front and which is the back lol

Pretty right? What's the problem? Well it turns out that the genes that code for the spider pattern also invariably code for the snake having crazy brain damage. This is known as "wobble" or "spider wobble" and causes the snakes to exhibit head weaving and general difficulty with coordinated movements.

Fun fact, neurological changes are highly correlated with coat/skin changes. I think this was best studied with fox domestication, where foxes with a friendly temperament had dog-like coats, with different colors and patterns. I'm no geneticist, but IIRC it is theorized it has to do with the high density of nerve endings in the skin, meaning skin and nervous system mutations are closely related. So yeah, it's not super surprising that selecting for a very different coat might lead to changes in neurological stuff.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm no geneticist, but IIRC it is theorized it has to do with the high density of nerve endings in the skin, meaning skin and nervous system mutations are closely related.

Melanocytes (that color the skin) are derived from neural crest stem cells, the same embryonic tissue that the nervous system derives from, so changes in one are going to come with changes in the other, good or bad.

 

[DoesNotLinkToYou]

pimpy son opp

 

[Strangolapreti]

They should do mandatory castration for any dog breed with brachycephalic, all but the japanese chins solely because of the funny name.

 

[Equal Rights for Androids]

What a canary should look like:


The Giboso Canary/Canary Gibber Italicus (bred to look like this):

Their necks permanently stuck at that angle. Their chest is always bald. They can't fly. They can't breath correctly. They can't hold onto their perch for long. They can't bend their legs much.

where foxes with a friendly temperament had dog-like coats, with different colors and patterns.

They had spotting, not doglike coats. The silver foxes still looked like silvers. But red marble and black marble fox showed spotting, which indicated domesticity. These foxes with spottings are now known as Georgian Red Marble and Georgian White foxes. You will never find these markings in regular ranch foxes no matter how mutant their coloration.

 

[neverendingmidi]

What a canary should look like:
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The Giboso Canary (bred to look like this):
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They had spotting, not doglike coats. The silver foxes still looked like silvers. But Georgian red marble and black marble fox showed spotting, which indicated domesticity.

What the ever loving fuck... it's like all of it's joints are incapable of functioning.

I mean the normal canary probably has that long of a neck and legs, they just curve/fold to hide that.

 

[ovqsnfat]

Melanocytes (that color the skin) are derived from neural crest stem cells, the same embryonic tissue that the nervous system derives from, so changes in one are going to come with changes in the other, good or bad.

Just to beat anyone else to it: something something niggers have brain damage something something

What a canary should look like:


The Giboso Canary/Canary Gibber Italicus (bred to look like this):

Their necks permanently stuck at that angle. Their chest is always bald. They can't fly. They can't breath correctly. They can't hold onto their perch for long. They can't bend their legs much.

Wtf was the purpose behind these things? Like the only reason for getting rid of all the feathers would be maybe breeding it for food? But like then why are they so skinny???

 

[Cane Skretteburg]

For all you haters and wannabes. Sorry my Toads all keep it 13 inches OR LESS off the ground and stay looking like a walrus. Stay mad.

 

[Elderly beef taco]

The noodle legged horse, for your pleasure, since I guess I goofed when I made the post:

It's apparently a valuable horse due to the color and the breed often has weid conformation like this (the back is okay but the back legs are too curved and that beef neck).

ovqsnfat the swayback is the result of poor breeding in general. In a saddlebred, it would be unridable, but since no one really rides ponies they tend not to cull for this. It's not exactly intentional but also the animal should have been culled since it will effect quality of life.

 

[Canuck Breaker]

With all these people creating these crazy breeds, can we please make a German Shepherd without hip dysplasia? I know Belgians are similar, but I just really like everything else about the Germans. Plus there's a nostalgic aspect to them where I grew up with them.

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

Ooh really? This sounds like a nightmare. Imagine paying ten thousand dollars for the privilege of having your house destroyed by cat piss

You just walk it like a dog.

 

[iSaidShhh]

Is there no moment where they try to unfuck them, so that they become normals dogs again? Maybe they should try to crossbreed them with other spaniels?

I know of a couple of breeders that have been crossbreeding for pet-quality for a while, but the only one I have firsthand experience with has been breeding CKCS/Field Spaniels for a couple of decades and turn out really nice litters, although they've slowed down over the last few years because (shocker) the genetic testing for their Cavaliers almost always comes up with giant red flags that say 'for the love of Christ, end this bloodline here and now'.

They're basically slightly bigger Cavaliers with fewer health issues and the same temperament. Obviously they'd never be accepted as real Cavaliers, but for people that just want the same temperament and less of the heartbreak they're a good option. They also have a bonus feature where they're not dumb as a box of fucking rocks, they're just kind of normal dumb.

 

[Phoneposter]

we can do all this crazy shit to animals but can not breed intelligent apes to do simple slave labor
we can give cows mommy milkers and make dogs smart and chickens fat but can not breed a docile chimp to harvest crops
oh well soon machines can do it but we probably could have avoided a lot of drama

 

[AnOminous]

we can give cows mommy milkers and make dogs smart and chickens fat but can not breed a docile chimp to harvest crops

Chimps will act normal for years or even sometimes decades and then suddenly chimp out and chew your face off. Chimp out didn't come from nowhere.

 

[fishercat]

Chimps will act normal for years or even sometimes decades and then suddenly chimp out and chew your face off. Chimp out didn't come from nowhere.

What happens is that people get a baby chimp as a pet, and it acts like a baby. Then it goes through puberty and it turns vicious because of it. They get even worse as they become adults. The infamous Travis incident happened in part because he was a hormonal adolescent chimpanzee and he should've been treated like one.

 

[ovqsnfat]

the swayback is the result of poor breeding in general. In a saddlebred, it would be unridable, but since no one really rides ponies they tend not to cull for this. It's not exactly intentional but also the animal should have been culled since it will effect quality of life.

This thread has really fucked up my perspective on animal breeding in that when I read this my first thought is "well if its a mistake then that's ok at least". You are right though animals with deformities like this should at least be fixed if not fully put down.

we can do all this crazy shit to animals but can not breed intelligent apes to do simple slave labor
we can give cows mommy milkers and make dogs smart and chickens fat but can not breed a docile chimp to harvest crops
oh well soon machines can do it but we probably could have avoided a lot of drama

Emphasis added because oh man do I have news for you. For at least a decade now there have been stories coming out of Thailand about monkey slave labor being used to pick coconuts. Its apparently insanely common there because they are not only cheaper but faster than human workers. Last year there was scandal about meal kit company HelloFresh using monkey coconuts (A). In 2015 it was estimated that as much as 99% of the countries coconuts were picked by chained monkeys. Thailand is a top 10 global producer of coconuts. With coconut oil being in fucking everything these days (especially cosmetics & soaps and shit) there is a decent chance that something in your house right now was made using coconuts sourced from monkey labor. Now apparently most of the monkeys are just caught from the wild, so no breeding here, but still we do already have monkey labor.

 

[Twinkie]

from an ancient blog post I found, good read

 

[Marche]

Now apparently most of the monkeys are just caught from the wild, so no breeding here, but still we do already have monkey labor.

I like pretty much every sane person thinks the whole monkey torture thing is barbaric and disgusting and hates animal cruelty

BUT Monkeys in these countries could probably be put to good use like this instead of having them be hunted and people being killed by them on the street in feral monkey attacks.
Why shouldn't monkeys have monkey jobs?
Monkey does a job, monkey gets a banana??? seems harmless

 

[AnOminous]

The infamous Travis incident happened in part because he was a hormonal adolescent chimpanzee and he should've been treated like one.

People look at them and think they're like Lance Link, Secret Chimp or the Bear from B.J. and the Bear and similar pop media using chimps. They're actually really aggressive and vicious, strong as hell, and intelligent enough that when they want to hurt someone, they'll go for eyes and faces and just really fuck you up.

You'd be better surrounded by gorillas than a single chimp.

 

[Phoneposter]

Chimps will act normal for years or even sometimes decades and then suddenly chimp out and chew your face off. Chimp out didn't come from nowhere.

maybe but there are a lot of primates to choose from
and the same could be said of a lot wild animals

it is surprising this is not just a thing humans have done to the point there is some designated domestic primate

but still we do already have monkey labor

that is actually pretty exciting news
domestication would probably make them even more efficient