Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[batteredpancakes]

(Can't stand this dude, obv. On principle I won't ever wish anybody takes their own life, but at this point I'm so sick of his whining that I won't be shedding any tears if he does go down that route)

Reminder that we have confirmation that he reads this thread. Think about what you say with that in mind.

 

[klarine]

Troons would never say anything about a death like his, because it makes them all look bad.

As ironic as this might sound, I think the troons didn't even notice he went missing, and the only people worried about his well being are from this thread

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

When have they ever listened to advice before?

I say it’s time to check the Boston obituaries over the past month for a <25 year-old who died under questionable circumstances.

No good leads. A couple in the right age range who checked out to have a spouse or kid right off the bat, and one guy whose circumstances sounded right but upon going down the social media rabbit hole it was apparent it couldn't have been him.

If someone dies alone and without a lot of people caring a lot there may not be an obit. Time, money, and effort are involved, it isn't automatic anymore.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Reminder that we have confirmation that he reads this thread. Think about what you say with that in mind.

If he does, that's on him, and my opinion of him still stands. We can't censor this thread or any of the threads here on the 'Farms on the basis that the cow being discussed reads here and might be suicidal.

Like I said before, I'm not hoping that he 41's or encouraging him to do so. But I am thoroughly sick of his constant, crass and annoying fishing for sympathy.

 

[Barbarella]

Ahh, it's the Tulips dude fishing for sympathy again. No, it won't get you your dick or your coomies back. Yes, you are a castrated man, and ever since you made the catastrophic decision to have your dick and balls yeeted, it's all you've ever been.

I don’t read this as whining. I read it as an expression of truth and a warning to those in the cult.

I don’t follow Ritchie but I saw him struggling as a female and moving back to male. My impression is he has gotten stronger and is now warning young people of the danger. I could be wrong as I’ve only seen a few videos, but from hearing others talking about him it’s my impression. In that light, he’s just making a statement of fact.

 

[Peaches Demure]

I don’t read this as whining. I read it as an expression of truth and a warning to those in the cult.

I don’t follow Ritchie but I saw him struggling as a female and moving back to male. My impression is he has gotten stronger and is now warning young people of the danger. I could be wrong as I’ve only seen a few videos, but from hearing others talking about him it’s my impression. In that light, he’s just making a statement of fact.

I don't want to hijack the thread to be about him, but let me say this much: to me it's obvious that the personality disorder that caused him to hate himself enough to troon out as a mid-twenties man (he wasn't a teen groomed into it, like, let's say Chloe Cole or Keira Bell) is still present and he hasn't really "changed" as such after he went detrans. He's still immature and attention-seeking and has unrealistic goals regarding surgery. I could be wrong about this, but I got the idea he wasn't/isn't even against troonism as an ideology as he's clearly stated on several occasions that it's "a choice that is right for some people". He's just pissed that his surgery was botched and took away his ability to coom.

 

[klarine]

I got the idea he wasn't/isn't even against troonism as an ideology

He calls it lobotomy 2.0, I'm pretty sure he just doesnt outright says its a scam so that the troon lobby doesnt try to invalidate what he says as troonphobia

I dont think he would deny he has mental health issues that need working too either. I've seen him trying to help detrans males a lot and I respect him for that, I don't think he is a bad person even if he has his issues.

 

[GloriousScarf]

Troon looking for FFS suggestions.

1 year and 3 months on hrt (patches and spray) (now injections and spiro) my idea is to wait until get 3 years on hrt and migrate to america to get job with insurance to get the surgeries ( im 23 years old)

Spoiler: Satire is dead

 

[Procrastinhater]

Cetrulo's still a fucking butcher, but at least he didn't cripple his patients like all the other ghouls performing phalloplasty.
Don't get me wrong, it's still horrific/darkly funny to see something like his "work". But when it rots off/falls off, at least his victims still have full function in their arms.

That was originally Cetrulo's goal with his "Delayed Abdominal Phallo." He saw the catastrophic loss of mobility and function, and the frequent edema and other problems Pooners had with the arm flaying technique, saw that the Hyena Metroid Clits were gross and barely resemble a micro penis let alone a real one, and tried to create a new procedure that if successful would have been the new standard and made him rich. He's actually a fairly accomplished surgeon in other fields. When he saw from ElephantDick and the other women he practiced on his promises were impossible and his procedure, while looking good on paper, didn't work in reality, he just ghosted the Elephant and the other Pooners and went back to doing cosmetic procedure for rich women.

Ritchie is a good man, he wants to live and wants for no one else to fall into this scam. I hope he has a good life ahead of him even if he was butchered while having a mental health crisis.

Reminder that we have confirmation that he reads this thread. Think about what you say with that in mind.

While his constant mentioning of his story can come across as whining, the impression I get from him is he genuinely wants to try to spread awareness about the truth of what Gendershit does to people and hopefully prevent others making the same mistake.
It's too late for him, he knows he fucked up, but I can respect that he's trying to do some good and turn his fuck up into a positive teaching experience.
Yeah the histrionics can be irritating but I've never seen him beg for money or something like that, from what I can see he genuinely regrets making himself into a eunuch and wants to try and reach others before they make the same mistake.
He's still an idiot for chasing a gross fetish into cutting his dick off, but he's trying to make something positive come from it.
He's alright in my books.

I never saw him before he detrooned but I can respect a man who fucked up, owns his mistake, and tries to make some good out of it.
If he was begging for money and trying to grift I'd be less sympathetic.

 

[Vulvalover1]

Strongly agree re. Ritchie. How he got to where he got to is obviously a complex story and I don’t think any of us are under any illusion about how difficult he must have been when he was trooning. He admitted himself that he would scream transphobia..
in the last year or more we have watched some of his story play out and whatever his regrets and physical problems may be he seems to have found some satisfaction in spearing the lie of medicalisation etc. and also obviously found the immense solace of speaking to others in the same extreme position he is in.
I only have warmth and respect for him.

 

[bouquetnine]

Troon looking for FFS suggestions.

Spoiler: Satire is dead

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Openly admitting to wanting to migrate here for gibs. Why do we have to pay for every charity case in the world?

 

[mounavri]

Oh my god, i don't know where to post what happenned to me, so i will post here.

I think i should take a break from all trans stuff, before i begin i should precise that i am a man and i am of course against the trans idiology, men are men, and women are women. and i live in Morocco which means i am a muslim, and as you know it's completely and definitly prohibbited by islam to be trans, and if you don't go back to reason, your fate is death, and not normal death, we must throw the trans guy from the tallest building in the region, and if he didn't die from the first throw, we climb back and throw him again, until DEATH

So it all began a few weeks ago when i had a dream where i had SRS i was home and naked, my penis was gone and i had a vagina instead and because i read a lot of trans stuff to see how far those crazy people can go, i have read that they feel after SRS tightness in their crouch, and that exactly what i was feeling, but it didn't last a long time, it was like 3 or 5 seconds and i woke up.

The most disturbing experience was today, where i had this dream where i was in a bed in a hospital, a green sheet who covers from my abdomen to my legs, and then the Surgeon enter my room, (my brain took informations from my daily reading of trans threads, i read about someone who got their SRS from a Suregeon named Rahimi, i didn't look it up, so i didn't know if it was a man or a woman, so my brain imagine it like it was a black woman) so this black woman surgeon enter my room and then set down, and told me :
" everything went good, your healing is good, and you will meet a lot of girls here (she meant transgirls) wo will love you"
and i was like yes, yes, ok
what shocked me is that for 2 seconds i kind of accept what happened, and only one thing was bothering me, is that i could not enjoy my holiday week (i am a teacher in Morocco, so here usually when holidays come, we have 7 days off, they will begin next week) because i was bedridden.

And after those 2 seconds i remembred this forum, i remembred that what i've done is the biggest mistake of my life, i held my head with my two hands in shock, and i said to myself this can't be true, i must be dreaming, so i tried to woke up by closing and opening my eyes, but it didn't work, i said to myself this dream is lasting for too long this can't be a dream, i began to really panic, (now that i'm thinking everything back i prefere dreaming of monsters trying to kill me than this disturbing experience) my brain then gave me two choices, either this is a dream and i must wake up, or i will try to kill myself at the first occasion because i can't live with this heavy guilt, so i tried again to woke up
but it was not working, and then the surgeon said :
"No, Stop, you force too much on your eyelids, the sutures will break" (apparently i didn't have SRS only, but FFS too holyshit)
and this might be unreal but i was really feeling my eyelids tear appart, after a few tries i finally woke up.

So guys i'm sorry but i don't want to live this again, i think i will take a break from reddit and kiwi, at least one month, and see if those freaking nightmares stop, for now i had only two, and the second one way more powerful and longer than the first, so if i continue maybe i will have a third one who is worse than the last.

I know that some of you will say, how could you remember your dream with such details, well when i dream something really disturbing, and i want to tell the whole dream to someone, i write everything the second i wake up, i wrote every detail in a piece of paper to tell you guys about it.

thanks for reading me

 

[Jizzrag]

5 weeks post Vulvoplasty (worried about fusion)

Spoiler: Text

5 weeks post Vulvoplasty (worried about fusion)

An update here and community question. I'm seeing that a rogue area has fused to the other side. I've reached out to my surgical team when I saw this a few days earlier (when not yet quite fused), and they said it's all part of the normal healing process.

I'm really hoping more of the area does not fused, and just curious how this is appearing to others.

Overall though, I'm thrilled with the results and my healing progress so far (minus a UTI that has since been treated).

Tldr: Some areas has fused together. The Dr says it’s part of the normal healing process.

Spoiler: NSFW

 

[monstrous bubo]

We don’t often hear about voice feminization surgery, so this post jumped out. Remember, if you read posts from anyone disappointed by Yeson’s surgery, this chap is here to set you right with information from the surgeon himself.


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Spoiler: full text

I feel like there is so much misinformation about post-op Yeson on Reddit (self.transvoice)

submitted 5 hours ago * by truecrisis

I had my consult with Yeson yesterday, and my surgery today. I have my followup exam and botox tomorrow.

Now, I'm sure that Yeson has improved their communication skills and also their recommendations over the last 10 years of their practice, but so much information on Reddit is counter to what they have told me. Now, I'm aware a lot of this might be different from patient to patient. But at least for those of us with tremors, a lot of the info I found here was incorrect....

1) Botox​

Yeah botox is used to prevent some speaking during recovery, but actually its PRIMARILY used to prevent vocal tremors. What are vocal tremors? Dr Kim put out his hand and showed a slight shake. He said, "When you have tremors, the only way the brain knows how to correct it, is to use A LOT of power." and he clenched his hand hard. So those of us with tremors and get fatigued easily during male baseline everyday speaking or even training, are using WAY TOO MUCH POWER. And it causes, me at least, to over correct the tremors with throat muscles that were massive and powerfully clenching compared to the "ideal" he showed me. Also, when we overcorrect with too much power, our brain drops our pitch naturally because that is easier to produce the sound. This is how many (not all) people who train to a higher pitch without surgery are actively hindering their vocal chords/muscles. Constantly we are told by voice trainers "it shouldn't strain, it should feel comfortable" and they are entirely right. Learning to talk soft is way more important than focusing on pitch, especially if you have tremors that you wouldn't even know about if it was a lifelong condition.

How do we fix this overcorrection? Botox stops the tremors (like diazepam or something) and allows our brain to learn how to produce sound without needing to overcorrect. The MOST IMPORTANT THING is to SPEAK OFTEN while under the effects of botox. This will help the brain to adjust to a vocal fold that doesn't have tremors. This is why those of us with lifelong tremors need a second or third dose of botox, so that we can produce nice clean sounds without the shaking-hand thing going on. If we are vocal-underdoers, like me, its doubly important to make sure to exercise our voice while under the effects of botox. Dr Kim said that in my case, the tremors were caused by scar tissue in the muscle on one side of my throat, that prevented that side from vibrating in sync with the opposite side. He made an incision on that side to release the tension and I should no longer have problems there.
Also, it is my personal belief that those of you who have had this surgery, and had subpar results will likely see benefit from another session of botox and also skype therapy sessions with Yeson. Please reach out to your coordinator!!

2) Post recovery strategy​

Many people on here have said "Dont try to speak in a high pitched voice, just speak normally in your baseline voice." And this is contrary to the advice I was given by staff. They said to speak in my target voice, but still within a comfortable range. Like make sure to adjust for resonance, and try to train your brain to a "new normal." If we just target our baseline voice, our brain will try to use the muscle memory for old phonetic patterns (like accounting for tremors or such), and that is entirely against the purpose of the long rest period. The long rest period and botox is to assist us to learn new habits, and we need to start that right out of the gate. We need to learn to use the pitch that we want, without tremors and with a new vocal instrument. Its ALL to break away from old habits ingrained in our subconscious.

3) Voice starting low, or starting high then dropping over time​

This is related to everything above. It IS NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT transvoicelessons.com voice training after being granted new vocal chords. Yes, those who haven't done any voice training at all and know nothing about resonance are going to have a bad time (post-op exercises teach resonance I think). But likewise, those who have trained really hard to have a passing voice then had this surgery are ALSO going to have a bad time because they have to unlearn everything they know about a nice voice.

The goal here is to speak NATURALLY and not with over compensating power, and the only way to do that is lots of practice while not under the influence of tremors. After this surgery the goal is to reprogram the brain and get away from all the old habits we learned, because if we do that, we achieve natural feminization. If we continue to fight the tremors and continue to over-correct, our voice will inevitably drop back to the pre-op sounds we were making.

Dr Kim said, for best results, it's critical for 2 months of silence, and while 1 or two words are ok, really do not speak even one or two words after the first month.

Dr Kim also said, it's generally going to start low, but then if one follows post-op instructions properly, it will exponentially get better as the brain adapts and moves away from old phonetic patterns.
I'll update this post with anything I remember, and any other information I'm told. But I hope this is useful for those searching for threads related to "Yeson" in the future.

Spoiler: OP’s photo post FFS

Dr Kim said, for best results, it's critical for 2 months of silence, and while 1 or two words are ok, really do not speak even one or two words after the first month.

Basically, go to South Korea to have someone mess with your vocal cords, go home, stay quiet for two months, and only then discover how shit you sound.

Dr Kim’s technique on the Yeson site. Also found a troon playing multiple recordings for before and after, including the initial raspy post surgery sound. Not a bad result actually. I’ll dig around to see if anyone has shared bad results.

Openly admitting to wanting to migrate here for gibs. Why do we have to pay for every charity case in the world?

Spoiler: boring sperg

He’ll try to get there legally. There’s no way he’ll make the considerable effort to get there illegally - he’s too lazy to even save up for his surgery, unless he overstays a tourist visa. If he does that, he’ll be limited to crappy jobs with worse insurance, no?

Legal migration to the States is actually pretty hard unless you have serious money or serious skills. He will also be required to hand over his social media details for the previous five years, even for a tourist visa. Total privating or DFE can be a red flag for visa officers, and this guy is a moron, so there’s a chance his cunning plan will lead to rejection if he keeps advertising this. That’s if he even gets employer sponsorship, and the chances of that are not great, given he doesn’t seem to have desirable skills. His best bet is to win a green card lottery, marry a local, or seek entry as a refugee from the trans genocide raging wherever.

 

[Poonocchio]

thanks for reading me

 

[Procrastinhater]

I live in Morocco which means i am a muslim, and as you know it's completely and definitly prohibbited by islam to be trans, and if you don't go back to reason, your fate is death, and not normal death, we must throw the trans guy from the tallest building in the region, and if he didn't die from the first throw, we climb back and throw him again, until DEATH

I believe the phrase is Insha'Allah.
We would say Eunuchi delendum est. Deus Vult.

 

[Randomrando]

we must throw the trans guy from the tallest building in the region, and if he didn't die from the first throw, we climb back and throw him again, until DEATH

I appreciate the commitment tbh, not everyone has that kind of follow through

 

[mounavri]

I appreciate the commitment tbh, not everyone has that kind of follow through

Yes, it's true, Morocco does not apply the islam's laws, for exemple in islam we must not put a killer in jail, he must be killed, we must not put a thief in jail, we must cut his hand from the wrist, but we don't do that, but Saudi Arabia does

 

[batteredpancakes]

This TiM has gotten a new procedure called rib repositioning. It involves breaking the ribs and moving them forward.
This is probably considered a "safer and less invasive" alternative procedure to rib removal (Likely in only theory, I doubt they have any significant statistics to back that up).
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ADJUSTING RIBS SAFELY (not removal)

We’ve all seen rib removal before/afters in here which is incredibly dangerous and even life threatening (just don’t do it). Below is a before/after of my rib repositioning surgery with Dr. Adam Weinfeld. This is a fairly new technique (first published in a medical journal in 201 and involves moving 2-3 of the lower ribs per side inward. It does involve fracturing the ribs to move them inward, after which you have to wear a corset 24/7 for 6 weeks. It was painless for me, just a bit of soreness. This is a great way to move a waist inward without removing essential protection. Rib fractures also have consistently better healing outcomes than many other areas of the body. I highly recommend anyone who is looking into removal to look at this safer alternative instead.

Spoiler: before/after

He actually looks less feminine in the after picture. I do think he lost weight though.
I didn't find a 2018 paper but I did find a 2021 paper.
Link
This image summarizes the procedure pretty well.

He also links a youtube video in the comments that explains the surgery:

Spoiler: Video

As for the OP, april6055, he has that same short mid face, wide eyes phenotype that quite a few TiMs have:

 

[assigned Karen at birth]

No good leads. A couple in the right age range who checked out to have a spouse or kid right off the bat, and one guy whose circumstances sounded right but upon going down the social media rabbit hole it was apparent it couldn't have been him.

If someone dies alone and without a lot of people caring a lot there may not be an obit. Time, money, and effort are involved, it isn't automatic anymore.

In one of his reddit comments, Babysoots says he's from Maine. I still think the chances of finding confirmation of his death are as slim as the chances that he's still alive. At least his friends and family can take comfort in the knowledge that he died doing what he loved: destroying his penis for the coom.

mounavri said:
we must throw the trans guy from the tallest building in the region, and if he didn't die from the first throw, we climb back and throw him again, until DEATH

You guys need some taller buildings; it should only take one throw.