ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

[karz]

Interesting that the same kind of people who run around squawking "from the river to the sea," are now insisting that the Holocaust targeted troons and that it's Holocaust denialism to claim otherwise.

The holocaust denial stuff is such insane bullshit. It starts at 6:00. The inflection in his voice, the way he says it like a question, the way he immediately deflects with a joke, and the way Nyk joins in. It's such obvious duper's delight. They know they're two men pretending to be women, who just got to call an actual woman a holocaust denier because she doesn't think porn addled troons were Hilter's number one priority.

See my post here:

Minimizing victimization because a particular group identity wasn't the "focus" of a state-sponsored genocide is the "why" Matt and Nyk are critical of Rowling.
While it may be accurate to say that "Trannies weren't gassed, trannies didn't exist as a category!", it doesn't minimize the fact that Transsexuals were still targeted along with other victims such as Poles, Soviet POWs, Romani Gypsies, German homosexuals (including card-carrying members of the Nazi Party), and other "sexual deviants and asocial people" that Hitler and Reinhardt declared as "undesirable".
I am not a historian nor a specialist on Holocaust history, so I will leave my comments there, rather than trying to debate the full context of Nyk's, Matt's, and Rowling's views on the Holocaust on an internet drama forum. Not a can of worms I want to open.

 

[Flexo]

See my post here:

I mean... you're not wrong. But guess what game those people will play if you bring up say... Christian victims of Nazism.

 

[Marvin]

See my post here:

Minimizing victimization because a particular group identity wasn't the "focus" of a state-sponsored genocide is the "why" Matt and Nyk are critical of Rowling.
While it may be accurate to say that "Trannies weren't gassed, trannies didn't exist as a category!", it doesn't minimize the fact that Transsexuals were still targeted along with other victims such as Poles, Soviet POWs, Romani Gypsies, German homosexuals (including card-carrying members of the Nazi Party), and other "sexual deviants and asocial people" that Hitler and Reinhardt declared as "undesirable".
I am not a historian nor a specialist on Holocaust history, so I will leave my comments there, rather than trying to debate the full context of Nyk's, Matt's, and Rowling's views on the Holocaust on an internet drama forum. Not a can of worms I want to open.

No, this isn't accurate.

I'm also not a historian, but I've taken time to look into the "gays were targeted in the holocaust too!" claim specifically because the rainbow crowd keeps bringing it up. And it's just not true.

To clarify, when I'm talking about the Holocaust, I'm specifically talking about the organized extermination campaign involving death camps. Plenty of people who broke the law were sent to prisons or ordinary work camps, but the death camps existed specifically to exterminate racial and ethnic groups like the gypsies and the Jews.

In Germany at the time, homosexuality was criminalized in pretty much the same way as it was in most European countries, as well as America. It was seen as a mental or moral sickness and they wanted to punish people for it, but they weren't all out trying to murder the gays.

About 100k Germans were prosecuted and convicted for homosexuality and only about 5-6k were sent to concentration camps, usually because they were Jewish or involved in much more serious transgressions against the Nazi regime. Not just because they were gay.

Ultimately, the nazis viewed homosexuality as curable. An aryan homosexual, if the gay could be beaten out of them, was far more valuable to produce more aryan children than dead in a nazi gas chamber.

The gays are just fishing for more persecution points.

 

[Bani]

No, this isn't accurate.

I'm also not a historian, but I've taken time to look into the "gays were targeted in the holocaust too!" claim specifically because the rainbow crowd keeps bringing it up. And it's just not true.

To clarify, when I'm talking about the Holocaust, I'm specifically talking about the organized extermination campaign involving death camps. Plenty of people who broke the law were sent to prisons or ordinary work camps, but the death camps existed specifically to exterminate racial and ethnic groups like the gypsies and the Jews.

In Germany at the time, homosexuality was criminalized in pretty much the same way as it was in most European countries, as well as America. It was seen as a mental or moral sickness and they wanted to punish people for it, but they weren't all out trying to murder the gays.

About 100k Germans were prosecuted and convicted for homosexuality and only about 5-6k were sent to concentration camps, usually because they were Jewish or involved in much more serious transgressions against the Nazi regime. Not just because they were gay.

Ultimately, the nazis viewed homosexuality as curable. An aryan homosexual, if the gay could be beaten out of them, was far more valuable to produce more aryan children than dead in a nazi gas chamber.

The gays are just fishing for more persecution points.

There's more nuance here than you're fully describing here. The Jews were the primary target of the Nazi regime-- that much we can all agree on. But it had secondary and tertiary targets, usually because they clashed with Hitler's vision for the world. Romanis, Slavs, and non-Jewish Poles were also detained and killed, primarily because they were seen as "taking up space" that the Third Reich felt should be allotted to Aryans instead. Political enemies and POWs were another group sent to death camps, for obvious reasons. Ukrainians in the Red Army were one of the factions of the opposition hit hardest. People with disabilities and deformities were another demographic that was killed en-masse, mainly because they were seen as "tainting" German stock.

Homosexuality was viewed by the Nazis as a contagious disease. Relatively few people were sent to camps exclusively for homosexuality, which as you alluded to, the Nazi regime viewed as a sex crime on the level of beastiality, which was unfortunately widespread at the time. The much more common injustice perpetrated by Nazi Germany against homosexuals was mass chemical castration (funny how that's basically what the troon movement is doing to gays now!) Of particular note is that fact that homosexuals (including ones who were also there for being Jewish or whatever else) were basically the only people who weren't actually "liberated" from concentration camps; if they were documented by the Nazis as being homosexuals, they went directly from camps to prison, and were not compensated for loss of property or loved ones they way others were. This is largely because the allies were perpetrating many of the same injustices; Alan Turing was famously arrested and castrated for homosexuality despite his important scientific contributions to the allied war effort. So yes, relatively few were killed, a couple thousand at the very most, but the ones who survived were treated extremely poorly compared to other Holocaust survivors in the decade or so immediately following the war. They were indicted by the Nazis in the "Final Solution," the way Jews were, however.

Ernst Rohm was a major officer in the Nazi party known to be a homosexual, though we was executed in 1934, primarily because Hitler saw him as a political threat. It has been speculated that Hitler's personal animus towards Röhm was part of what motivated the increase in persecution against homosexuals that occurred following the Night of the Long Knives. This is corroborated by Nazi literature at the time, which speculated that homosexuals were more loyal to each other than to Germany, and that they were secretly in cahoots with the Jews. Another curious element that isn't often mentioned in identitarian discussions of WWII is that arrests of homosexuals fell sharply after 1940, because the war was coming into full swing and Hitler's priorities shifted elsewhere. This chart bears that out. Simply put, they were seen as internal political enemies, and as the ranks of the Allied forces grew, the regime had less time to worry about those they viewed as internal dissidents or hindrances to Aryan reproduction.

 

[Marvin]

This is largely because the allies were perpetrating many of the same injustices; Alan Turing was famously arrested and castrated for homosexuality despite his important scientific contributions to the allied war effort. So yes, relatively few were killed, a couple thousand at the very most, but the ones who survived were treated extremely poorly compared to other Holocaust survivors in the decade or so immediately following the war. They were indicted by the Nazis in the "Final Solution," the way Jews were, however.

I think this last bit is what I take issue with. The Final Solution or the Holocaust is part of, but still its own distinct aspect of Nazi Germany's general domestic policies.

Not everything bad that Nazi Germany did was the Holocaust or part of the Final Solution. The Final Solution was specifically about racial / genetic purity.

Basically the gays want to claim victimhood on the level of the jews or the roma, when they're really more on the level of communists or political agitators. I'm not saying they were treated well, but it's a big stretch to act like they were victims of the Holocaust.

Also, small gripe, but Alan Turing wasn't castrated. Chemical castration isn't really castration. Stop taking the pills and things generally go back to normal.

It's certainly torture to be used as a punishment, but it's kind of a misnomer to treat it as literal castration.

The Nazis used some amount of chemical castration on convicted gays, but not in huge numbers. Many convicted gays went on to serve in the military, and having functioning male endocrine systems is important for that.

 

[ByffyloByll2]

Honestly I think getting into the weeds over what constitutes being an Official™ Victim™ of The Holocaust© Cinematic Universe® vs. just being generally not liked by the Nazis kind of misses the point. What we're looking at here is a deranged crack-addicted and rapidly aging autogynephile who thinks he gets to snark at literally anyone else besides himself for "spiraling into madness," as the title of the video puts it. Obviously the only thing Nyk actually cares about here is the fact that he pathologically despises Rowling for not validating his AGP fetish and wants nothing more than for her life and legacy to be destroyed forever out of petty revenge and sees an opportunity to brand her with the label of "Holocaust Denier" as basically the Holy Grail in terms of causing maximum reputational damage. Its purely cynical and self-serving.

 

[Bani]

Not everything bad that Nazi Germany did was the Holocaust or part of the Final Solution. The Final Solution was specifically about racial / genetic purity.

This part of my post is a typo. I meant to say "weren't:"

They were indicted by the Nazis in the "Final Solution," the way Jews were, however.

As for everything else, yeah, chemical castration and surgical castration are two different things, with one being more reversible than the other. "Chemical castration" is just a more succinct way of saying "forced to take drugs that impede fertility and sexual health."

 

[Rekkington]

Hey we all think the Holocaust was a horrible event and we wish it never happened.
In which case, I have great news!

 

[euler271]

Honestly I think getting into the weeds over what constitutes being an Official™ Victim™ of The Holocaust© Cinematic Universe® vs. just being generally not liked by the Nazis kind of misses the point.

Well frankly I think its wrong for women to act all oppressed when only gay men would get sent to the death camps during the Holocaust and not lesbians.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Well frankly I think its wrong for women to act all oppressed when only gay men would get sent to the death camps during the Holocaust and not lesbians.

Why would you send lesbians to a death camp when they have vaginas you can reprogram using only your dick? Don't be an idiot. Poofs get gassed because if you tried to stop them from poofing they might fight back. Dykes? We can fix them.

 

[AfghanBlue]

as a sex crime on the level of beastiality, which was unfortunately widespread at the time.

Wat

Really? What's all that about.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Wat

Really? What's all that about.

yes having sex with animals used to be a lot more common in European countries it's still pretty common actually in South America surprisingly there's actually a lot of Vice documentaries on the subject.
friend of mine who is a US army Cavalry scout said everyone had a story of looking through the binoculars watching a muslim guy fuck a goat

beastiality being wrong is really only something people think in developed countries not to say those people aren't freaks and deserve to be set on fire

 

[Bani]

Wat

Really? What's all that about.

yes having sex with animals used to be a lot more common in European countries it's still pretty common actually in South America surprisingly there's actually a lot of Vice documentaries on the subject.
friend of mine who is a US army Cavalry scout said everyone had a story of looking through the binoculars watching a muslim guy fuck a goat

beastiality being wrong is really only something people think in developed countries not to say those people aren't freaks and deserve to be set on fire

Guys. I meant that "the perception of homosexuality as akin to bestiality" was common at the time. Not that bestiality itself was common.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

https://youtu.be/fAaRZbrWshM?si=Re_C3UyDOjH3aTx7

New troon on troon interview. Nick seems a bit “subdued.”

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

https://youtu.be/fAaRZbrWshM?si=Re_C3UyDOjH3aTx7

New troon on troon interview. Nick seems a bit “subdued.”

Wow - NoDong, long time, no see.

I guess Nick agreed to do this interview because he looks positively petite next to Riley. On the other hand - my God, Nick's a big lad, isn't he? And he's losing hair.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Nick seemed xanaxed up or something there. Just me?

 

[Tombigbee]

I think part of his subdued state was the snobbery he likely feels for “Riley.”

At one point in the interview, Riley blanked on who a liberal congressman from Florida was, (even though he brought it up, and he never did place the name.) Then later Riley was like, (paraphrase) “you [Contra] were known for doing that interview with…wait why can’t I remember her name…” and I believe Contra had to interject “Hillary Clinton?”

Contra chuckled over it (kinda) but you could see it was through gritted teeth and flared, disdainful nostrils. Who the fuck can’t remember Hillary Clinton’s name?

Riley also talked about not having an academic background like Contra does. Anyway you could just see that Contra was presenting himself as above the situation and was being GRACIOUS enough to feign interest in what gigahon country rube Riley blabbered on about.

Perhaps he was on something as well, it is Contra after all.

 

[Conspiracy Mawile]

Thought that was the wrong video for a second, I really didn't recognize contrapoints there at first.
Kinda weird how they are colour-coded nearly identically. Like one person interviewing himself split-screen style.

Nick seemed xanaxed up or something there. Just me?

Yeah either really really bored and tired or on something you shouldn't take before getting interviewed on the internet.

 

[Anteros]

I think he mostly looks sad. There's a thing called peace of mind which he obviously doesn't really seem to have, all the money and attention notwithstanding.

 

[Ashley]

I think this last bit is what I take issue with. The Final Solution or the Holocaust is part of, but still its own distinct aspect of Nazi Germany's general domestic policies.

Not everything bad that Nazi Germany did was the Holocaust or part of the Final Solution. The Final Solution was specifically about racial / genetic purity.

Basically the gays want to claim victimhood on the level of the jews or the roma, when they're really more on the level of communists or political agitators. I'm not saying they were treated well, but it's a big stretch to act like they were victims of the Holocaust.

Also, small gripe, but Alan Turing wasn't castrated. Chemical castration isn't really castration. Stop taking the pills and things generally go back to normal.

It's certainly torture to be used as a punishment, but it's kind of a misnomer to treat it as literal castration.

The Nazis used some amount of chemical castration on convicted gays, but not in huge numbers. Many convicted gays went on to serve in the military, and having functioning male endocrine systems is important for that.

I've written about this before. The National Socialist Party had conflicting agendas about homosexuality early on. Röhm was a homosexual and also Hitler's best friend; he was the only one allowed to call him Adi among other personal affectations. This is because Hitler himself was not bothered by gay men on a personal level. It is that compliance and tolerance that lead to various humors that he himself was a homosexual. This was at odds with the greater NSDAP, but not so much the SA, which by the 1934 had dwarfed both the NSDAP and Wehrmacht combined in size. While the Social Democrats and Green Party, and not particularly the communists of this era as they had in Lenin's early days of power, supported homosexuality, they also used it as a tool to unravel the NSDAP and ran editorials claiming that Rhöm's homosexuality was an indication of the NSDAP's weak moral character. The emphasis is on moral character, as the homosexual movement in Germany was becoming very successful post-Weimar, ultimately making the issue of Röhm's sexuality a tieritary issue for political opponents. With that in mind you can understand why the Berlin police rarely charged anyone with homosexual crimes, which was established under Paragraph 175. Rhöm himself was charged with this in 1931, but all five trials were a bust. They were clown trials no one really took seriously or cared all that much about. You might compare these trials to what would later become of homosexual trials... or really any under the NSDAP after Hitler took power.

So, in 1933 the Sex Institute was raided and the books were burned by Rhöm's SA due to a party initiative to destroy homosexual materials. Transsexuals, transvestites and so forth were hardly considered at all. I have personally only seen two NSDAP documents recognizing either term, and in context they refer to them as offshoots of homosexuality. The idea of a transsexual in 1933 would not have been as well regarded or known as a transvestite, which was the more common Weimar orriented affliction that men could receive cards for to publicly crossdress. Similarly, one might compare this to "female crossdressing" wherein a woman would wear trousers. While many NSDAP believed in this Aryan myth of the Vril Society and Maria Orsic, many wives of high ranking officers enjoyed the luxories of what were once considered male-only clothing. Goebbels' wife Magda had famously liked wearing trousers, which as you might have guessed led to Goebbels trying to normalize the idea in the party (I believe this is why you can find WAAC and other auxiliary corps' uniforms with trousers so easily when Hitler began to consider women as part of the war effort in 1940). This also illustrates that while crossdressing was connected to male homosexuality, it was not for female homosexuality, which was almost entirely associated with asociality, which the NSDAP was not entirely against during the war effort if it could suit them well enough (see: Violette Morris).

In 1934 Himmler, as he began to construct his insane and often poorly thought out pagan religion for the Schutzstaffel, began to conspire with Heydrich to take down Rhöm. Either man felt an intense hatred for homosexuality, and would regularly lobby to Hitler that it needed to be purged out of the party. As I mentioned earlier, by 1934 the SA had overtaken the Whermact in numbers, which Blomberg and others in the then German government felt threatened by. Himmler exploited that and argued the only way to cement his power to the government and the people was to make purges throughout the SA; he also contended that homosexuality was actually a Jewish conspiracy, a notion that had already been expoused by earlier Nazi rhetoric in the late 1920s. Mussolini at the time, at the behest of Meißner and Neurath through Hassel, was also chastizing Hitler for Rhöm's alleged homosexuality in addition to the rowdy and cantankerous nature of the SA. With the mounting political pressure in all directions, the Night of the Long Knives Began. Male homosexuals were systemically targeted, and upon Rhöm's capture, he was given a pistol to end himself "honorably". He said that if Adi wanted him dead he could do it himself. When informed of this, Hitler hesitated and felt great unease. It was very clear he did not want to kill his best friend, but it was a necessary sacrifice for the greater good of the party. Hitler would then go onto denounce homosexuality, and males would be prosecuted regularly, and far more seriously from then onward, under Paragraph 175. You might compare the political machinations of this event to Himmler's religion. Hitler had disavowed religion and felt it was a threat to the party and had to on at least one occasion directly disavvow the idea as a result of Himmler's nonsense. But it still went unchecked due to the lack of internal and external pressure. Anyway, homosexual men were targeted and arrested at extremely high rates in the late 1930s. Despite that, around 10,000 would actually be put in a concentration camp of any kind. The numbers for lesbians would be even smaller, as they were typically only arrested if they were Jewish, political opponents, asocials or whatever else. I don't recall ever seeing a lesbian purely arrested with homosexuality as the primary reason. It was moreso that people would find out and then look for any other transgression to report them, and then subsequently charge them; and a charge was more or less a conviction at that point (this is especially well documented with why Rommel committed suicide).

Doing some numbers, around 5-15% of charged homosexual men were sentenced to the camps. 60% of those men were killed. About 67% of Jews in the totality of Europe were murdered. There was a larger, far more concenerted effort to get of them than the homosexual. That doesn't somehow make them not victims of the Holocaust when there was still a very documented and real effort to get rid of them. Certainly more than political agitators and commies, unless you're referring to Soviet POWs. Jehovah's Witnesses were systemically targeted and may be one of the least targeted groups, but they were still targeted (around 8,000 arrests and nearly 2,000 deaths). Disabeled people were more likely to be targeted than either gays or religious dissidants combined, but they are also eclipsed by the Jewish deaths. It seems like an arbitrary argument to make about what constitutes a victim when you still have relatively large numbers being facitilated for death on basis of one characteristic. This argument really only makes sense if you're making it about troons, who again, the NSDAP barely acknowledged the existence of.

Also Nick is a deranged man that will never be a woman.