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Since we apparently are just going to stay derailed on wildlife management subject I guess I will throw in my opinion until a moderator throws us on time out.
It's important to remember that even animals we consider pests do serve valuable ecological purposes. If I remember correctly, the proper term is wildlife services. Which is to say that animals just doing their own thing does grant us benefits directly and indirectly.
If we over deplete populations, something that is at high risk of happening if you sterilize a portion of the population, removing them from danger temporarily and sparing them from their natural predators as well as those who hunt for food as unless you are a complete urbanite you probably eat some amount of wild game, you actually risk having an outsized effect on population reduction than if you just shot enough to reduce population. It is simply a fact that the predators are not going to care whether or not they are eating a sterilized individual nor are hunters going to know whether or not the individual they are shooting is sterilized. And that sterilized individual is still eating plant matter and being a pest and a nuisance at the most Petty and an ecological risk at the worst.
This is why in most places they actually regulate hunting quite a bit. The reason you see things like hunting regulations that dictate you're only allowed to take a certain number of deer in a season on a particular year is because we are predicting how many people are going to want to hunt deer, and then determining how many deer can be safely removed from the population without depleting the population, putting it at risk or without lowering the population to the point that it creates a larger ecological effect. We are actually very good when it comes to very large-scale management of resources that are renewable. It's just something that humans have become very good at and it's one of those things that we should have a lot more respect for the people who manage those systems and cooperate with them even if we get annoyed with their bullshit sometimes. I will be the first person to bitch all day about the limit on how many fish I'm allowed to take home when I go fishing, but I also recognize that I want those fish there so that when I take my son with me fishing in a decade he can appreciate what I appreciated with my stepfather and my grandfather. I might bitch that they are barely handing out any moose tags in the area right now, but I can usually find at least one person I know who goes moose hunting to get me some good moose meat each year because no one's eating an entire moose. That feeds like three families.
I like to remind everyone of the simple example of why we can't just write off animals as pests and wipe them out either that's very famous: the Yellowstone wolf situation. By removing all of the wolves from Yellowstone, the population of deer got so large that they nearly drove themselves to extinction by overeating the plant life. The solution was just to drop wolves back in the park and everything got better. And every single person who lives in even a remotely rural enough area is going to bitch and complain about the absolute pest that wolves are, but shit gets a lot worse without them. The prey need to have their numbers kept down and the predators do that. There's a reason why my nation of Canada recently hoped out our brothers in Michigan by air dropping them some wolves to deal with that moose issue. It works and there's not really that many people in the area.
The problems start when you get too close to where people farm and where people live we can't just put the wolves back and leave it be. Ideally, we should make sure that we are maintaining appropriate sized predator populations everywhere and they would just handle everything for us, except for the fact that they will eat your pets, your livestock, and any humans they can pick off. So instead we typically try and focus on maintaining predator populations anywhere that is far enough away from human settlements to allow for them to perform natural wildlife management in those areas so that there's no population booms of prey species roaming into settled areas. However, we need to control our predator populations very carefully, which is why there's that one island in Alaska where most of the hunting on it is actually hunting grizzly bears to keep the population down so that they don't overeat the deer and put themselves at risk or decide to migrate themselves into places where they could prove a risk to humans. Then when we get to settled areas then the predators need to be repelled sufficiently to keep them away from livestock, pets and human beings as they are perfectly willing to eat any of those. This unfortunately creates a safe area for their prey species to move in, so what we must do in response is hunt those prey species so as to prevent the predators from following them towards settled areas as well as to prevent those prey species from becoming a nuisance. Otherwise there will be severe human wildlife conflict. Hunting and managing these populations is a way to reduce those conflicts. Funnily enough, it helps prevent people from going on crusades to a species to extinction in response to a few kids getting eaten.
Ideally we would do all of this hunting in a sustainable way that still allows for the animals to provide the benefits they do for us as well as ideally any hunting we do do is at least partially for food. If you're hunting for fun, you might as well enjoy a good barbecue after a fact. And if you live somewhere where they are, just letting you bag as many deers you can, please do so. Then invite all your neighbors out for a barbecue. It's good for and who doesn't like eating Bambi? He tastes really good. Especially if you prepare him right.
The reality is that there are people who kill animals and don't even take the meat. Choosing instead to buy the meat that we raise as livestock which is just incredibly wasteful in my opinion, not just in the wasting the animal way but also wasteful of money because dude you just left some perfectly good meat on the ground there. You know how it died. You know that it's safe to eat. Or you see situations where we simply need to do large population culls because somewhere along the line to management went funky. The pandemic has caused a lot of stuff that traditionally around my area had pretty strict limits on how many you are allowed to take and you weren't even allowed to beg them every season suddenly be declared at such high numbers that we just need to bag as many as we can. There's also the fact that poaching is a thing in the sense that there are people taking more kills than they are supposed to, and there's the fact that we can't actually have a perfect prediction of how many people are hunting at any time so the number of kills can be a little bit in the air. It makes wildlife population management a little bit of a pain in the ass and sometimes we can't properly track how many are where and it leads to an oopsy. Usually not in the case where we overhunt typically, but in the case where we underhunt. We got really good at not over hunting after a few extinction events. And I personally want to get on the whole de-extinction plan so that I can have mammoth burgers like my prehistoric forefathers did thank you very much.
Proper wildlife management is trying to keep the animals away from us because if we can't do that then it becomes us or them, and there is enough room for the two of us so long as we have proper management allowing the animals to slip from our minds so that we don't have to deal with the fact that our monkey brains will have us go full on sight against a species that causes us too many issues.
Also, can we please get back to letting the fucking wildfires happen? Our forests are so unhealthy and they really need some forest fires to let them be healthy again. Bambi can outrun the fire, it's fine. Ideally he can run straight into my sights and then get directly transported to my belly.
It's important to remember that even animals we consider pests do serve valuable ecological purposes. If I remember correctly, the proper term is wildlife services. Which is to say that animals just doing their own thing does grant us benefits directly and indirectly.
If we over deplete populations, something that is at high risk of happening if you sterilize a portion of the population, removing them from danger temporarily and sparing them from their natural predators as well as those who hunt for food as unless you are a complete urbanite you probably eat some amount of wild game, you actually risk having an outsized effect on population reduction than if you just shot enough to reduce population. It is simply a fact that the predators are not going to care whether or not they are eating a sterilized individual nor are hunters going to know whether or not the individual they are shooting is sterilized. And that sterilized individual is still eating plant matter and being a pest and a nuisance at the most Petty and an ecological risk at the worst.
This is why in most places they actually regulate hunting quite a bit. The reason you see things like hunting regulations that dictate you're only allowed to take a certain number of deer in a season on a particular year is because we are predicting how many people are going to want to hunt deer, and then determining how many deer can be safely removed from the population without depleting the population, putting it at risk or without lowering the population to the point that it creates a larger ecological effect. We are actually very good when it comes to very large-scale management of resources that are renewable. It's just something that humans have become very good at and it's one of those things that we should have a lot more respect for the people who manage those systems and cooperate with them even if we get annoyed with their bullshit sometimes. I will be the first person to bitch all day about the limit on how many fish I'm allowed to take home when I go fishing, but I also recognize that I want those fish there so that when I take my son with me fishing in a decade he can appreciate what I appreciated with my stepfather and my grandfather. I might bitch that they are barely handing out any moose tags in the area right now, but I can usually find at least one person I know who goes moose hunting to get me some good moose meat each year because no one's eating an entire moose. That feeds like three families.
I like to remind everyone of the simple example of why we can't just write off animals as pests and wipe them out either that's very famous: the Yellowstone wolf situation. By removing all of the wolves from Yellowstone, the population of deer got so large that they nearly drove themselves to extinction by overeating the plant life. The solution was just to drop wolves back in the park and everything got better. And every single person who lives in even a remotely rural enough area is going to bitch and complain about the absolute pest that wolves are, but shit gets a lot worse without them. The prey need to have their numbers kept down and the predators do that. There's a reason why my nation of Canada recently hoped out our brothers in Michigan by air dropping them some wolves to deal with that moose issue. It works and there's not really that many people in the area.
The problems start when you get too close to where people farm and where people live we can't just put the wolves back and leave it be. Ideally, we should make sure that we are maintaining appropriate sized predator populations everywhere and they would just handle everything for us, except for the fact that they will eat your pets, your livestock, and any humans they can pick off. So instead we typically try and focus on maintaining predator populations anywhere that is far enough away from human settlements to allow for them to perform natural wildlife management in those areas so that there's no population booms of prey species roaming into settled areas. However, we need to control our predator populations very carefully, which is why there's that one island in Alaska where most of the hunting on it is actually hunting grizzly bears to keep the population down so that they don't overeat the deer and put themselves at risk or decide to migrate themselves into places where they could prove a risk to humans. Then when we get to settled areas then the predators need to be repelled sufficiently to keep them away from livestock, pets and human beings as they are perfectly willing to eat any of those. This unfortunately creates a safe area for their prey species to move in, so what we must do in response is hunt those prey species so as to prevent the predators from following them towards settled areas as well as to prevent those prey species from becoming a nuisance. Otherwise there will be severe human wildlife conflict. Hunting and managing these populations is a way to reduce those conflicts. Funnily enough, it helps prevent people from going on crusades to a species to extinction in response to a few kids getting eaten.
Ideally we would do all of this hunting in a sustainable way that still allows for the animals to provide the benefits they do for us as well as ideally any hunting we do do is at least partially for food. If you're hunting for fun, you might as well enjoy a good barbecue after a fact. And if you live somewhere where they are, just letting you bag as many deers you can, please do so. Then invite all your neighbors out for a barbecue. It's good for and who doesn't like eating Bambi? He tastes really good. Especially if you prepare him right.
The reality is that there are people who kill animals and don't even take the meat. Choosing instead to buy the meat that we raise as livestock which is just incredibly wasteful in my opinion, not just in the wasting the animal way but also wasteful of money because dude you just left some perfectly good meat on the ground there. You know how it died. You know that it's safe to eat. Or you see situations where we simply need to do large population culls because somewhere along the line to management went funky. The pandemic has caused a lot of stuff that traditionally around my area had pretty strict limits on how many you are allowed to take and you weren't even allowed to beg them every season suddenly be declared at such high numbers that we just need to bag as many as we can. There's also the fact that poaching is a thing in the sense that there are people taking more kills than they are supposed to, and there's the fact that we can't actually have a perfect prediction of how many people are hunting at any time so the number of kills can be a little bit in the air. It makes wildlife population management a little bit of a pain in the ass and sometimes we can't properly track how many are where and it leads to an oopsy. Usually not in the case where we overhunt typically, but in the case where we underhunt. We got really good at not over hunting after a few extinction events. And I personally want to get on the whole de-extinction plan so that I can have mammoth burgers like my prehistoric forefathers did thank you very much.
Proper wildlife management is trying to keep the animals away from us because if we can't do that then it becomes us or them, and there is enough room for the two of us so long as we have proper management allowing the animals to slip from our minds so that we don't have to deal with the fact that our monkey brains will have us go full on sight against a species that causes us too many issues.
Also, can we please get back to letting the fucking wildfires happen? Our forests are so unhealthy and they really need some forest fires to let them be healthy again. Bambi can outrun the fire, it's fine. Ideally he can run straight into my sights and then get directly transported to my belly.
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post would have been better with a tl;dr
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I considered writing one, but I just never was happy with the ones I wrote. As I say, I'll be consise when I'm dead.
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Your post rivals some of the papers I had too write on the subject of wildlife management. Impressive.
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Both faggots reacted when I caught them sucking eachother off. Uh oh they're mad at me, retards with piss poor opsec and both of them are thin skinned bitches
Reminder neither of them can make a counterarguement
Sidenote whoever Puro follows, he'll start filing reports like a hypocrite he is. Two lolcows joined at the the hip, bitching and moaning.
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LOL Liking each other's posts. Obscurecow Crossovers man.
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What did you expect a cubfur is best friends with a zoophile, they can only bitch and stalk them dirty trolls.
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Imagine the smell
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You guys suck those heckin deerarinos NEED vasectomies in order for society to find peace again and to save THIS MOTHER EARTH! if you disagree you're a non furry zoosadist
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Smells exactly like Toggle, figuratively and literally
Abused animals, coom caked in shit that has been cooking inside diaper in 30 Celsius heat, tears, sweat and cope.
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the difference is one of them is a ragebaiting retard who believes in nothing and the other is just a retard
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God bless my righteously angry sisters in the Beauty Parlor
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He's been stirring up shit since 2023, I'm surprised we took this long to dox him. I guess we had better things to worry about.
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It infuriates the cubfur that the ragebait backfired, both of them ended up sperging out. I find it fucking funny
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@NoraKozlowski_*>f7U AKA Connor Roundy is larping as leet hacker, now that his cub and tranny furfags got doxed, pink triangled. Fatty big mad
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I was about to ask how you have proof but the account's new posts after over a month of inactivity glow brighter than the sun.
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Vendetta against Clauratta, doesn't Dead name and shat up his own thread look up post history and relationship between the two
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I didn't make the connection till Glowie commented on a page from the Kennedy profile and I looked through the replies throughout.
First was this, which they didn't elaborate on after I asked.
More obvious.
This whole thread is the most obvious. They went on to flip flop and act like they hated Calo all along, months later randomly, aka the posts from Apr 6
