Goonclown Steven Bonnell II / Destiny / Destiny.gg - Emotionally Unstable Manchild, Creeps on Teenagers, Incest Supporter, Degenerate Foot Sniffer, Cum Felcher, Gooner

[kusario]

I mean, lets look at what Eylon Levy posted alongside the picture of them embracing each other:

"joust" - probably the same type of convo like with Shapiro - would that be wrong?

You (and Destiny) are missing the point. The reason so many people are dunking on him is because of his underlying thought process, not the fact that he might be "correct" about something. Most of the people he talks to about this conflict are fucking retards, which only fuels his ego further. This is why it's funny - to most people, he just comes across as a psychotic Israeli propagandist, so it doesn't matter if he can recite some obscure talking points about peace negotiations 80 years ago. This is something he can't understand, and it's why he's still arguing with randoms on twitter about how he totally owned Finkelstein with his facts.

no, that's the actual claim but I'm saying that "underlying thought process" argument is bullshit. People are obfuscating about "underlying thought process" to dismiss how incorrect they are and push their shit, regardless if it's worth pushing or not.
what you are basically saying is "ends don't justify the means" and people don't like Destiny's means regardless of ends but that is said by people who generally have even worse means and ends. When I see debate where pro-Palestine person is dancing around '48 and Nakba, saying it's all Israel fault when in reality Arabs REFUSED negotiations, started the violence, war and lost - why is that better thought process? And if not, then what is?

That is also what I'm referring to later in the post

So if his opposition don't even want to acknowledge anything he is correct on, why would he even try to appease those people? He gains nothing from it and would have to sacrifice so much for even an ounce of sympathy.

Why would he abandon his underlying thought process that leads him to something like 70% correct opinions on this conflict for a the thought process that leads people to retarded positions with 10% correct opinions?

 

[dezazlop]

no, that's the actual claim but I'm saying that "underlying thought process" argument is bullshit. People are obfuscating about "underlying thought process" to dismiss how incorrect they are and push their shit, regardless if it's worth pushing or not.

You are, once again, missing the forest for the trees. This is not about destiny being right or not, but the way he repeatedly manages to undermine his own agenda by just being retarded. He wants to be taken seriously outside of his bubble? Too bad, since for anyone to take him seriously by merit of his positions will have to get through his online persona first, which is a shit stirrer, rage baiting debate bro personality. He can dress up better, fix his hair and beard, but it does not matter because 30 minutes later he will be tweeting at people telling how he will jack off to an AI version of their girlfriend. Or how the timer for israel hostages is an edging timer. The guy cannot keep himself in check long enough for anyone to let that kind of stuff go.

The whole Finkelstein thing is proof of it. Before the debate, Filk was a scholar, destiny was debater bro streamer. They both act retarded, regardless of the points made. If later i want to check out the socials of both, you get Filkensteins serious tweets, so maybe the guy was just having a retarded episode, while on the other hand, if you look through destinys socials, you will think he is a retard 100% of the time, because thats how he chooses to represent himself. And anyone willing to entertain that "perk" of his can just as easily find better places for the same kind of opinions without all his retarded way of acting.

 

[Pepsi Vs Coke. Fight!]

I'm not a libertarian, but I did listen to Dave Smith for quite awhile because he does provide a lot of information on his podcast about foreign policy. Mostly stuff he learns from Scott Horton. I disagree with a lot of his conclusions, though. (Russia and Ukraine in particular.)

But he really did sum it up best on that clip Destiny reacted to where he said something about how Dave has probably never read a book on the subject in his life. Dave reads a lot. And for a lot longer than Destiny has. And Dave's interpretation that Destiny is just trying to score wins, and Jordan Peterson's interpretation that he's just trying to score wins is correct. That's why Destiny should not be making those jokes about edging. It makes it clear that he doesn't really care about the plight of Israel or the Palestinians, it's just an intellectual exercise for him. But then he'll accuse other people of being the ones who actually support genocide, virtue signalling that actually HE'S the only one who cares. People rightfully will interpret his motivations to be about making money and baiting people into an argument. He's even mentioned before that he will debate on the pro-Palestine side if he's asked to. Whereas, someone like Ben Shapiro probably would not do that. Dave Smith probably would not do that.

Destiny goes into these things to discredit others and build himself up as the authority. He'll talk shit about people for weeks at a time before the conversation, like he does with Dave Smith, like he did with Finkelstein, etc. and then act surprised when the well is poisoned and it's no longer a productive conversation because the other person's ego is also involved. If he actually DID give a shit, he would be having a conversation with them and seeing what he can learn and how his opinion might evolve.

If Destiny doesn't want to do that, it's fine. He can treat it like a video game to be won if he wants to, but when other people notice it and get the impression that he doesn't actually care about the things he's saying, or that he's going to change his mind in a couple years, he can't piss and moan about it. His whole thing with Finkelstein was to point out that actually HE is smarter than Finkelstein.

As for focusing on the word "genocide," this is something he frequently does or criticizes when it suits him. He didn't want to argue over whether Nick Fuentes is technically a Nazi, or what "fascist" means. He said people should focus on the policies and whether hey are right or wrong. So when he focuses on this word and whether it's technically accurate while also knowing exactly what the person using it means, he is establishing a red herring. It makes it seem like he cares more about the correct use of words than he does about those people dying.

In that tweet he was responding to someone making that specific point. That Destiny is focusing on that word and using it to obfuscate the actual point people make. And instead of justifying those deaths, he doubles down and tells the guy that he's the one who invoked the term. But the guy didn't actually invoke the term. He invoked Destiny's fixation on people's proper use of the term and why he doesn't need to say it's bad.

So if Destiny knows what this guy means, why is he focusing on what Nazi and Fascist means? Because he doesn't want to address the point this guy is making. Which is that he actually doesn't care, as demonstrated by his lack of giving a shit about anything.

Again, Destiny can do what he wants, but he can't bitch and moan when the people he wants to debate don't want to talk to him because people think he's an asshole who is just trying to win a game. (Jordan Peterson, Dave Smith, etc. etc.)

Link to Dave Smith comments: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=destiny+dave+smith

 

[Code Cave]

"joust" - probably the same type of convo like with Shapiro - would that be wrong?

Read the entire sentence instead of focusing on one word. Are you expecting them to "joust" over Hamas being bad or misinformation about October 7th? Either way, it doesn't really matter what the conversation is like. Optically, this is a massive L for Destiny and it'll lead to him getting shit on more, which is funny.

what you are basically saying is "ends don't justify the means"

No, I'm saying that Destiny's thought process of blindly trusting whatever Israel says and disregarding every institution, whether it be the US/other western govts. or international aid agencies, makes him look like an egotistical, psychotic freak. Lycan actually demonstrated an example of this a while ago, funnily enough with the cookie thing:

Lycan's point about the cookies is playing out like this[paraphrasing]:

Lycans: you are confidently repeating the claim that cookies were banned because they can be used to make rocket fuel.
Destiny: Yes, because that's what Israel said.
Lycan: You accept this claim from Israel without looking into it any further, which isn't what you normally do.
Destiny's response: Yes, I haven't looked into it. But here's someone using raw sugar to make some kind of fuel.

The point being he's just blindly accepting anything Israel says, meanwhile anything that makes Israel look bad must have some huge brained logical explanation, or it's fake news/pallywood/hamas/an anti-semitic conspiracy.

Something similar happened with the world central kitchen bombing.

Destiny: heh, so you're saying israel just bombs civilians? that could literally never happen, there's a chain of command with lawyers and layers of responsibility
[Israel bombs western civilians]
Destiny: there's no way they just bombed them, lets see what Israels investigation into itself says before we make any judgement.
[Israel admits it bombed civilians]
Destiny: whoopsie, sometimes mistakes happen in war. Anyway, why hasn't Hamas built a bomb shelter? This is ultimately their fault.

Destiny had never looked into the cookie thing before this, but he confidently said that it's justified because he thought Israel said so. He is proudly an establishment shill and it's the foundation for his entire world view. Him abandoning that for a war in the Middle East that he doesn't even really care about is funny.

I don't want to derail the thread too much with this, the tweet posted by @Pepsi Vs Coke. Fight! sums it up perfectly. It doesn't matter if he's "correct" about anything, that's the point you have to try and understand.

 

[kusario]

You are, once again, missing the forest for the trees. This is not about destiny being right or not, but the way he repeatedly manages to undermine his own agenda by just being retarded. He wants to be taken seriously outside of his bubble? Too bad, since for anyone to take him seriously by merit of his positions will have to get through his online persona first, which is a shit stirrer, rage baiting debate bro personality. He can dress up better, cut fix his hair and beard, but it does not matter because 30 later he will be tweeting at people telling how he will jack off to an AI version of their girlfriend. Or how the timer for israel hostages is an edging timer. The guy cannot keep himself in check long enough for anyone to let that kind of stuff go.

The whole Finkelstein thing is proof of it. Before the debate, Filk was a scholar, destiny was debater bro streamer. They both act retarded, regardless of the points made. If later i want to check out the socials of both, you get Filkensteins serious tweets, so maybe the guy was just having a retarded episode, while on the other hand, if you look through destinys socials, you will think he is a retard 100% of the time, because thats how he chooses to represent himself. And anyone willing to entertain that "perk" of his can just as easily find better places for the same kind of opinions without all his retarded way of acting.

no, what I'm saying is that your trees are just excuse because when Destiny actually engages, it's suddenly forest all over again.

you are mentioning Finkelstein being serious on twitter - and it's just a facade. Dude is schizophrenic and basically does the same or worse than Destiny (at least what leftist should think). Openly says nigger, openly transphobic, tries to evict his neighbour who appear to be immigrants, got denied tenure at university because he was so dogshit that he made discussion at the university so bad that they couldnt allow him to continue etc. Additionally, a lot of his work is just bad, he had one good book and rides that wave since.
But those trees suddenly doesn't matter and important is forest again - nobody cares about FInkelstein's sins just because he generally is aligned with "correct thought process" and "is serious on twitter" (he isn't btw, also unhinged but in favour of Palestinian effort).

But okay, then Destiny goes to the debate with FInkelstein, Shapiro, Peterson and nothing of what you criticize him happens - he isn't obnoxious, isn't shit stirring, isn't even hardcore debating., he's dressed okay, his hair is also okay, only beard is maybe fucked up but you can't have everything. But those things doesn't matter, like "hey, he actually isn't doing the thing here" would be enough but even this is instead used against him (how people commented that he didn't go hard enough against Shapiro or Peterson).
FInkelstein is doing all the things you mentioned that Destiny is doing. And? Suddenly it's a win for everybody criticizing Destiny for all of those things. Now shit stirring, debating and insulting is super and based.

So yeah, trees in FInkelstein's forest are fake and maybe it takes a little bit of effort to figure it out but no one gives a fuck. And then in comparison you have Destiny's forest where trees are unhinged but at least they are actual trees.

So you want me to believe that people care so much about "trees" but they can't figure out obvious hacks like Finkelstein, Hasan, Briahna Joy Gray , Vaush, Keffals and whoever else?

I just don't believe that.

I don't want to derail the thread too much with this, the tweet posted by @Pepsi Vs Coke. Fight! sums it up perfectly. It doesn't matter if he's "correct" about anything, that's the point you have to try and understand.

I think @Pepsi Vs Coke. Fight! post is also bizarre. I don't want to spam any further but why being willing and able to argue both sides in I/P mean you don't care? Isn't it the opposite, that you want the best outcome so much that you are able to analyse from both ends and come to some reasonable middle ground? Is it better to just be one-sided hack like Shapiro? Or like Finkelstein who openly says he doesn't see any hope and he's here just to write books?
I can agree with some point about how Destiny wants to be right etc. but then is just a lot of conjecture that means he doesn't care and stuff.

 

[clipartfan92]

Adding videos since my last post, sourced from:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1d67n5k/israel_travel_vlog_mayjune_2024_updating_end_of/

Spoiler: Videos

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I love how people are now turning this thread into who's Internet E daddy is more correct about politics Dave Smith literally spreads Russian and Iranian propaganda on a daily basis and hangs out with Ryan Dawson who is a paid agent of the Iranian government I'm sorry he just works for Press TV which is the propaganda arm of the Iranian state.

Destiny is just spreading is Israeli propaganda and is probably on the Israeli influence payroll

I could write an entire community watch thread on the anti American libertarian crowd led by comrade romanovich

 

[Noom Boom]

As for focusing on the word "genocide," this is something he frequently does or criticizes when it suits him. He didn't want to argue over whether Nick Fuentes is technically a Nazi, or what "fascist" means. He said people should focus on the policies and whether hey are right or wrong. So when he focuses on this word and whether it's technically accurate while also knowing exactly what the person using it means, he is establishing a red herring. It makes it seem like he cares more about the correct use of words than he does about those people dying.

In that tweet he was responding to someone making that specific point. That Destiny is focusing on that word and using it to obfuscate the actual point people make. And instead of justifying those deaths, he doubles down and tells the guy that he's the one who invoked the term. But the guy didn't actually invoke the term. He invoked Destiny's fixation on people's proper use of the term and why he doesn't need to say it's bad.

So if Destiny knows what this guy means, why is he focusing on what Nazi and Fascist means? Because he doesn't want to address the point this guy is making. Which is that he actually doesn't care, as demonstrated by his lack of giving a shit about anything.

I think you've got Destiny confused with someone else because he has always autistically obsessed over using the right word. If I remember correctly the last conversation he had with Vaush was him sperging about Vaush calling Bush a fascist and Vaush was making your argument that they should talk about the policies, but they couldn't because Destiny would not get off the word. He did the same with "white nationalism" during Rittenhouse, Nazi about multiple people, rape vs sexual assault in the MeToo movement, and he did fixate on Nazi with Fuentes because his community called him out after he refused to call Fuentes a Nazi years ago but now does. He went on a whole thing about how technically he wasn't a Nazi before because he didn't fit those criteria but now he does and so on, when his audience just once again wanted to talk about the underlying feelings. This obsession of his with the word genocide is completely in line with his MO.

He's also explained why he does this, it feeds into his whole grandiose ideology of being some pure intellectual. I think he's got some whole write up about it or something, but I think it boils down to using wrong words and making small lies takes credibility away from your cause. So if you call something genocide and people look into it and discover it isn't actually genocide, it will sour those people's attitude toward your camp about future issues. Again, he has done this to an autistic degree forever and will not engage until his opposite admits they are using the wrong word.

But okay, then Destiny goes to the debate with FInkelstein, Shapiro, Peterson and nothing of what you criticize him happens - he isn't obnoxious, isn't shit stirring, isn't even hardcore debating., he's dressed okay, his hair is also okay, only beard is maybe fucked up but you can't have everything. But those things doesn't matter, like "hey, he actually isn't doing the thing here" would be enough but even this is instead used against him (how people commented that he didn't go hard enough against Shapiro or Peterson).
But for example, FInkelstein is doing all the things you mentioned that Destiny is doing. And? Suddenly it's a win for everybody criticizing Destiny for all of those things. Now shit stirring, debating and insulting is super and based.

I'm sure Destiny sees it the same way, but tough shit, this is his job. It will never cease to amaze me when influencers or full celebrities cry about people picking them apart and being unfair, this is literally the reason they are getting paid, if you want fair than stop being an influencer and get another job. But none of them will because for as much as they want to complain about how hard their life is, they know their life is still easier and better than 90% of other people. This should not be a controversial position, Destiny is an uber retard on Twitter and he refuses to stop. He cannot go out of his way to be cringe and edgy, then cry about people calling him cringe and edgy.

 

[Cynical-Carnivore-88]

But okay, then Destiny goes to the debate with Finkelstein, Shapiro, Peterson and nothing of what you criticize him happens - he isn't obnoxious, isn't shit stirring, isn't even hardcore debating.

Are you high? Like actually? What is your idea of obnoxious and hard-core debating? Is it Destiny interrupting consistently during the debate to yell slurs like “NIGGER FAGGOT” against any of the people you mentioned? Because my threshold is the prick acting like a smarmy obnoxious douche during the Finkelstein and Peterson debates (and yes you can argue that the obnoxiousness and shit-stirring during the Finkelstein debate was justified as a result of Finkelstein losing his shit and yelling at Tiny whenever they interacted, but I consider that a feature, not a bug, as it made the “Wiki warrior” label stick to Tiny now which I know makes him seethe). Also yes, the Shapiro debate if I had to guess was Destiny trying to not piss off Benny Boy too much as he wants an in at the Daily Wire for more engagements and probably wouldn't get the opportunity if he just called Benny Boy retarted to his face.

If you think in the Peterson Debate Destiny wasn't "obnoxious" "shit stirring", or "hardcore debating" (And when you say "Hardcore Debating" I assume you mean blood sport debating) then I don't know what to fucking tell you:

Just look at this clip from 1:22:00 to 1:24:19 he does all of his usual debate-tisims,

1. Laugh at the prospect brought on by the opponent to optically mock their proposition (in this case Peterson's prospect about the left's sudden fixation on medical establishment/Pharmaceutical company dick-sucking during Covid) ("IT's NoT BeiNg On ThE SiDe of ThE PhArMaCeuTiCal ComPaNiES! )
2. Avoid answering questions directly by theatrically deflecting (in this case about whether he thinks pharmaceutical companies aren't corrupt) and then asking a question without answering to fish for a Gotcha ("CroRRuPt Is Such A BrOaD ....Do YoU ThInK ThAt We GeT EffEctIvE DrUgs FrOm PhArMaCeuTiCal ComPaNiES?! )
3. When getting the answer he wanted from the gotcha question (Peterson saying "Not particularly" to the 'effective drugs' question), act dumbfounded by saying "Ok" (Followed by silence as if saying "This guy is retarted") at the supposed stupidity of the answer then asking a loaded question (like "Do YoU ThInK AnY VaCCInEs WoRk?! ") to further place his opponent in the "Crazy position" (in this case the anti-science anti-vac camp to make Peterson look crazy and deranged).
4. Finally at the end after hearing your opponent's justifications for their position, do the signature Destiny move of disregarding everything they just said by dramatically sighing "OK ", signaling to everyone "My opponent's position is insane and there's no point in arguing with them on this point so I'm just going to peace out".

You could argue that all of this was taken from a snippet of the debate that they had and doesn't show the full context and that Destiny was simply "Matching Peterson's Energy", but there are many other examples of these debate-tisims happening throughout the debate towards the later half and there is a reason why Peterson stated after the debate (And even within it) that Destiny is simply in it to win it instead of proper discussion to get to the truth as a result of the way his personality is constructed; case and point:

Clip from 1:59:14 to 1:59:48
"Peterson: We found out a little bit about who you are I mean...your proclivity in terms of to some degree in terms of delight in argumentation or facility at it...the danger in that of course is that you're you can be oriented to win arguments rather than to pursue the truth...what are you hoping to accomplish by engaging in conversations like...elevation of status you know that's one possibility?
Destiny: Absolutely! "

Also Bonus MEME:
Peterson indirectly called Destiny Sociopathic/Psychopathic to his face, you love to see it

Clip from 1:39:08 to 1:39:26
"Destiny: Do you think psychopathy is something that can be environmentally induced or do you think this is core to a person?
Peterson: it's both, so for example, if you're disagreeable LIKE YOU ARE BY THE WAY one of your proclivities if you went wrong would be to go wrong and in an antisocial and Psychopathic Direction." (Lol, like threatening and planning to kill some dumbass kid and his dad over DDoS attacks )

 

[Pepsi Vs Coke. Fight!]

I think this thread might actually be retarded.

I love how people are now turning this thread into who's Internet E daddy is more correct about politics Dave Smith literally spreads Russian and Iranian propaganda on a daily basis and hangs out with Ryan Dawson who is a paid agent of the Iranian government I'm sorry he just works for Press TV which is the propaganda arm of the Iranian state.

Destiny is just spreading is Israeli propaganda and is probably on the Israeli influence payroll

I could write an entire community watch thread on the anti American libertarian crowd led by comrade romanovich

1. Dave Smith isn't my internet daddy. I think ancaps are dumb and I think Dave Smith talks out of his ass. For example, claiming there was a written agreement not to expand NATO one inch west. I'm using Dave as an example of someone who Destiny wants to debate and will not engage with him anymore because of Destiny's behavior. This isn't hard to follow fellas. That's the point Code Cave is trying to make. What we're making fun of him for is his constant bitching about how no one likes him or thinks he's disingenuous and can't see why. We're not commenting on which one is correct. We're commenting on Destiny crying because he's not going to be invited to the cool kid's table. Spoiler: It's for the same reason Sam Seder won't.

2. I'm not saying that you should not be able to debate both sides. I'm saying that if you have a stake in the outcome and actually do care, you probably won't be willing to debate the other side on a show unless it's just an intellectual exercise to you. Ben Shapiro knows the Palestinian argument, Dave Smith knows the zionist argument. But both are committed to their position because they have a stake in it and probably would not go argue the opposing viewpoint on Valuetainment just to see if they can. Someone like Dave Smith, who is factually wrong about some things, will not be accused of being disingenuous. Destiny will.

Again, we're commenting on how people perceive Destiny and why. Destiny can continue to act this way, but he shouldn't be surprised when all these people just want to make fun of him or write him off. And they do.

 

[Solid Hyrax]

You think it's worth it going to that meet up he's doing tomorrow?

 

[EyeGuy]

You think it's worth it going to that meet up he's doing tomorrow?

Tell him I said he's a retarded faggot, thanks.

 

[kusario]

If you think in the Peterson Debate Destiny wasn't "obnoxious" "shit stirring", or "hardcore debating" (And when you say "Hardcore Debating" I assume you mean blood sport debating) then I don't know what to fucking tell you:

You could argue that all of this was taken from a snippet of the debate that they had and doesn't show the full context and that Destiny was simply "Matching Peterson's Energy", but there are many other examples of these debate-tisims happening throughout the debate towards the later half and there is a reason why Peterson stated after the debate (And even within it) that Destiny is simply in it to win it instead of proper discussion to get to the truth as a result of the way his personality is constructed; case and point:

If you're this soft that any of this is "obnoxious" "shit stirring", or "hardcore debating" then I'm deeply sorry for you. I hope you can participate in society somehow and are not getting triggered at every opportunity.

It's so funny that you list all of this (6 mins out of 2h debate but okay ) but you have nothing to say about Peterson misrepresenting myocarditis rate, start yelling, copes that all pharmaceutical corporations are fraudulent and deliver not particularly effective drugs.

Just look at this clip from 1:22:00 to 1:24:19 he does all of his usual debate-tisims,

1. Laugh at the prospect brought on by the opponent to optically mock their proposition (in this case Peterson's prospect about the left's sudden fixation on medical establishment/Pharmaceutical company dick-sucking during Covid) ("IT's NoT BeiNg On ThE SiDe of ThE PhArMaCeuTiCal ComPaNiES! )
2. Avoid answering questions directly by theatrically deflecting (in this case about whether he thinks pharmaceutical companies aren't corrupt) and then asking a question without answering to fish for a Gotcha ("CroRRuPt Is Such A BrOaD ....Do YoU ThInK ThAt We GeT EffEctIvE DrUgs FrOm PhArMaCeuTiCal ComPaNiES?! )
3. When getting the answer he wanted from the gotcha question (Peterson saying "Not particularly" to the 'effective drugs' question), act dumbfounded by saying "Ok" (Followed by silence as if saying "This guy is retarted") at the supposed stupidity of the answer then asking a loaded question (like "Do YoU ThInK AnY VaCCInEs WoRk?! ") to further place his opponent in the "Crazy position" (in this case the anti-science anti-vac camp to make Peterson look crazy and deranged).
4. Finally at the end after hearing your opponent's justifications for their position, do the signature Destiny move of disregarding everything they just said by dramatically sighing "OK ", signaling to everyone "My opponent's position is insane and there's no point in arguing with them on this point so I'm just going to peace out".

1. He is just smiling and talking, does he have to ass mad like Peterson?
2. Because you can't just say that all companies are corrupt, that is fucking retarded. There is corruption but how corrupt they are if meds works in 99% cases, there are organizations that fine companies, there is accountability. Retarded question.
3. Yes, Peterson is retarded. That's the point.
4. Again, yes, that's the point and Destiny is correct here.

You realize that in all of those points if he wanted, he could go 10x harder on Peterson? Instead he babied him and you're still mad?

Clip from 1:59:14 to 1:59:48
"Peterson: We found out a little bit about who you are I mean...your proclivity in terms of to some degree in terms of delight in argumentation or facility at it...the danger in that of course is that you're you can be oriented to win arguments rather than to pursue the truth...what are you hoping to accomplish by engaging in conversations like...elevation of status you know that's one possibility?
Destiny: Absolutely! "

Also Bonus MEME:
Peterson indirectly called Destiny Sociopathic/Psychopathic to his face, you love to see it
Clip from 1:39:08 to 1:39:26
"Destiny: Do you think psychopathy is something that can be environmentally induced or do you think this is core to a person?
Peterson: it's both, so for example, if you're disagreeable LIKE YOU ARE BY THE WAY one of your proclivities if you went wrong would be to go wrong and in an antisocial and Psychopathic Direction." (Lol, like threatening and planning to kill some dumbass kid and his dad over DDoS attacks )

And this part is just comedy, what the fuck can I say here.

2. I'm not saying that you should not be able to debate both sides. I'm saying that if you have a stake in the outcome and actually do care, you probably won't be willing to debate the other side on a show unless it's just an intellectual exercise to you. Ben Shapiro knows the Palestinian argument, Dave Smith knows the zionist argument. But both are committed to their position because they have a stake in it and probably would not go argue the opposing viewpoint on Valuetainment just to see if they can. Someone like Dave Smith, who is factually wrong about some things, will not be accused of being disingenuous. Destiny will.

I don't get this argument at all. Being forced to stick to your group's position is somehow better than having freedom to express your opinion, regardless if your group approves? Shapiro would never say something obvious in defence of Palestinians because his group wouldn't let him and that's not disingenuous?

 

[actual irl loser]

He was on Some Ordinary Gamer's podcast, I haven't watched it but it looks like they touch on Keffals a little bit and Rekeita:

why does destiny have an inability to talk like a normal human? lmao idk what it is but whenever he talks to anyone he has this weird lecturing voice where it doesn't feel like he's actually talking to the person he's talking to, just like lecturing for the audience or something. idek how to describe what i'm talking about. i feel like i've only started noticing him doing this after he got involved with the I/P stuff, but idk im gay (if u can't tell, i'm of the opinion that him becoming more informed on I/P and debating more mainstream figures has massively inflated his ego. I think Destiny sort of views himself as "above" streamers now and believes he's a very important mainstream figure. not sure how that affects his normal conversations, but I've noticed him doing the weird lecture-type talking that he usually does when explaining something to his viewers with actual people he talks to on shows/podcasts now)

 

[Code Cave]

I think Destiny sort of views himself as "above" streamers now and believes he's a very important mainstream figure.

I think you're right but I don't agree with your reasoning. He's always been like this, even when he was on starcraft shows or on the rajj royale, he viewed it as a "favor" to the host. He isn't good at hiding when he's bored or disinterested, and he will do things like respond with one word answers, play games in the background or chat to other people when he's on shows. You can see him typing to someone when he's on that podcast here: https://youtu.be/-S4099X-q6k?t=3645
His latest cope is saying that he works "3 or 4 full time jobs" so if he's called out on it he will say he's doing "work" stuff, but it's the same thing he does to Dan on Anything Else, he just comes across as mega autistic/rude.

You think it's worth it going to that meet up he's doing tomorrow?

Here are some vods of his other meetups:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw5L0VZdb2U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2PfH0QRS2Q

I haven't watched them, but it looks like it'll just be a bunch of autists hanging around and maybe getting a picture with him.

edit:

I guess I just need to know more about what the BG3 disagreement was. On one hand, people who fuck up your gameplay should be ousted. But it sounds like Kelly Jean wanted to actually play the game instead of speed running it.

Apparently this was what started it all: https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1d8za5k/cant_imagine_worse_torture_than_having_to_do_a/

 

[Wicked]

Other than the starvation issue, I haven't seen Destiny get anything too incorrect about I/P. The problem is how much he makes excuses for Israel, downplays the suffering of the Palestinians, almost solely blames Hamas, and mocks anyone who has a more reasonable position. I admit, I haven't been keeping up with his conversations too much on this conflict because I'm dead fucking tired of how it brings out the retard in everyone but it seems like he wants Israel to wipe Gaza off the map and doesn't give a fuck about negotiations.

The reason he's taken this stance is because supporting Israel is in the best interest of the United States and in his opinion, for the greater world order. He also loves to take a controversial stance and fight everyone but that's an added benefit.

 

[Pepsi Vs Coke. Fight!]

I think Destiny sort of views himself as "above" streamers now and believes he's a very important mainstream figure.

Tbf, Destiny thinks he's above the mainstream figures, too. And normal people. Actually, the list of people on earth that Destiny feels like he's not above can probably be counted on one hand. Is there any topic this nigga feels he isn't qualified to talk about? This nigga was 300 pounds talking about proper diet.

Other than the starvation issue, I haven't seen Destiny get anything too incorrect about I/P. The problem is how much he makes excuses for Israel, downplays the suffering of the Palestinians, almost solely blames Hamas, and mocks anyone who has a more reasonable position. I admit, I haven't been keeping up with his conversations too much on this conflict because I'm dead fucking tired of how it brings out the retard in everyone but it seems like he wants Israel to wipe Gaza off the map and doesn't give a fuck about negotiations.

The reason he's taken this stance is because supporting Israel is in the best interest of the United States and in his opinion, for the greater world order. He also loves to take a controversial stance and fight everyone but that's an added benefit.

Naw, he's taken this stance because he's trying to win Lauren Southern back after arguing that Israel were war criminals years ago. He's going to get that pussy by any means necessary because she rejected him. It's probably why he took all that weight off, too. He heard Lauren fucked Andrew Tate and went anti-Red Pill and wanted a nicer body. Everything this man has done for 2 years has been motivated by Lauren Southern rejecting him because she knows he can't be monogamous and because he's weird looking. Probably why he wanted to ingratiate himself into the Daily Wire so he could get her a job. Sad really.

Apparently this was what started it all: https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1d8za5k/cant_imagine_worse_torture_than_having_to_do_a/

I didn't want to listen to that because I hate listening to Wolfgand talk. But Im fully on team Kelly Jean now. These guys need to quit acting like a bunch of pussies and just get in there and kill those fucking spiders like men. This is time for action, not sneaking around in the shadows without honor. Kelly Jean has more testosterone than Jstlk and Wolfgand put together.

Also lure the spider onto the webs and set them on fire, retards.

 

[Wicked]

Naw, he's taken this stance because he's trying to win Lauren Southern back after arguing that Israel were war criminals years ago. He's going to get that pussy by any means necessary because she rejected him. It's probably why he took all that weight off, too. He heard Lauren fucked Andrew Tate and went anti-Red Pill and wanted a nicer body. Everything this man has done for 2 years has been motivated by Lauren Southern rejecting him because she knows he can't be monogamous and because he's weird looking. Probably why he wanted to ingratiate himself into the Daily Wire so he could get her a job. Sad really.

lol ok

 

[Blav]

Destiny sort of views himself as "above" streamers now and believes he's a very important mainstream figure. not sure how that affects his normal conversations, but I've noticed him doing the weird lecture-type talking that he usually does when explaining something to his viewers with actual people he talks to on shows/podcasts now)

He's a narcissist, different kind to Lav's or mrgirl's narcissism, but still a narcissist. And just like the other two he's completely unaware of it and gets mad when you seriously suggest it. Even while reading this he will tell to himself that it's not true, these kinds of people can't be helped.

Naw, he's taken this stance because he's trying to win Lauren Southern back after arguing that Israel were war criminals years ago.

I disagree this is the reason why he supports Israel, his pro-establishment position is the far easier explanation.

It's probably why he took all that weight off, too

More than likely just a vyvanse/ADHD meds side effect, the fat fuck doesn't have the self control to lose weight on his own.
Don't really think he ever cared about being fat. It genuinely seems like he doesn't care about being seen as ugly, there's so many decisions he makes that can only be explained by him not caring. (how he dresses, being fat for so long, lifting for strength instead of aesthetics, having that goatee for so long, him cutting his bangs of hair extremely short when it gets too long and he ends up looking like a Seattle troon or a hillbilly, etc.)

He heard Lauren fucked Andrew Tate and went anti-Red Pill and wanted a nicer body. Everything this man has done for 2 years has been motivated by Lauren Southern rejecting him because she knows he can't be monogamous and because he's weird looking. Probably why he wanted to ingratiate himself into the Daily Wire so he could get her a job. Sad really.

I partially agree with a lot of this. I do think Tiny dislikes Andrew Tate (other than the obvious reasons) because of how he treated Lauren, since she almost certainly discussed it with Tiny at a certain point in private, she told him a lot of what's going behind the scenes in the conservative alternative media sphere.
It's still not known whether Tate did sexually assault Lauren or if their thing was more consensual, I personally think it was both, he sexually assaulted her but they started to have a short consensual relationship soon after and Lauren probably felt used.

(The reason why I think it was consensual is because either in one of her individual streams, or in one of her many talks with Destiny, she mentioned she dated an actual "redpill", "alpha" guy for a short time, more than likely she was talking about Tate.)
Lauren completely avoids talking about Tate when she talks about the "redpill", and Tate also seems to completely avoid Lauren Southern

For those who don't know:

https://x.com/Kinta_Kay/status/1610552879969976322

https://archive.ph/igVBs

https://archive.ph/OiHSB

https://archive.ph/aWw3v

https://archive.ph/MVyks

The audio that shows the woman is clearly Lauren Southern (Tommy Robinson even used her picture and blurred it out):

https://archive.ph/kH95x

https://archive.ph/s3sa5

I do find it interesting that just before he went on this trip he started interacting with Lauren publicly again, even making that marrying Lauren joke which resembles the ones he did back in 2022.
Interestingly Caolan Robertson followed Destiny within the last month, after Tiny was searching for a cameraman for his trip, maybe he asked Lauren and she recommended Caolan? ( I follow hundreds-thousands of journalists/political content creators/activists/twitter retards, whenever I see Destiny's twitter following increase I just scroll down and search for who's the new person that followed him, this lets me know about possible new people he's going to interact with or that agree with his political takes as they start liking his tweets too)

(As an example: https://x.com/ysabellahazan just followed Destiny within the last couple weeks, I've seen her interacting with Destiny's tweets before. Even tho she has viewing her likes disabled, if you scroll through the people that liked Destiny's tweets, like I always do, I've seen her there. So she's interacts with Tiny, followed recently, and she flew to Israel today, maybe they'll meetup at a certain point? certainly possible, but there's not any real evidence so I keep it in the back of my mind until some more evidence appears and I post it in the thread then.
I'm just showing a little of how I come to some of my conclusions)

(Another example: Ashley St Clair who is Lauren Southern's friend, and they were hanging out and even had a photo-shoot together, when Lauren recently visited the US. She has recently been interacting with Destiny's tweets a lot, she likes a lot of them and even comments under them, supporting him.

She's jewish so she likely got this new found appreciation for Tiny because of the I/P coverage. What's more interesting about Ashley St Clair is that she's very well connected: Elon Musk constantly comments under her tweets, she was one of the content creators that was receiving a lot of money for her tweets in twitter, and with some of the twitter's streaming branch new interest in Destiny it doesn't really seem like a coincidence.
https://x.com/stclairashley/status/1787858216967192585 she also reposted his twitter "Anything Else" episode on her own twitter, but I think she deleted it after the stream ended since I can't find it anymore )

I think it hurt Tiny seeing Lauren join TENET and start associating more with the Tim Pool crew when Destiny was fantasizing so much about starting a media company together, remember that his plan was to entirely fund Lauren's documentaries (he mentioned it during one of their talks, close to the end of their "relationship").
So I do think some of his motivation of trying to become "mainstream" must be because of the rejection, at least partially.

You think it's worth it going to that meet up he's doing tomorrow?

Yes, give him a warm hug for me. ( the man deserves it for torturing Melina, and causing mental anguish to some of these other girls )

 

[kiwiburgerplanet]

I don't think so. From all his I/P debates, people fixate only on cookies, Finkelstein's insults and his genocide clip, maybe the bombed shack story and that's all. If you are actually honest and even if you don't like Destiny, you have to admit he was correct on many points, like '48 and Nakba and other shit. Or at least that he was partially right and discuss in depth about things he got wrong. But that doesn't happen.
So if his opposition don't even want to acknowledge anything he is correct on, why would he even try to appease those people? He gains nothing from it and would have to sacrifice so much for even an ounce of sympathy.

I don't know if you know about LonerBox but this dude is very likeable, reasonable but lefties still don't like him because he doesn't hate Israel enough and other side don't like him because he doesn't hate Palestine enough.


but what podcast does he really misses on? He talked with Shapiro and it was meh, Peterson got assmad even when Destiny wasn't going hard on him, all lefties podcasts are not worth anything. He talked with actual US and Israeli politicians, journalist that investigated twitter files, historians etc.
I think this works for him, as long as he is producing content he will be invited on shows he actually like where won't need to compromise too much.

Destiny is incredibly bad faith, and that's on him. Yes others do not want to engage with him. That's because he himself isn't interested in a good faith discussion. His finkelstein debate proves that. Right of the bad he resorts to petty behavior and insults. He had the opportunity to engage with the leading scholar on the Israel/Palestine conflict and he failed.

His grift has been exposed. He was seen as left leaning progressive, but with his platforming of extremists and now his endorsement of violence against unarmed civilians people no longer view him as that.

Unrelated but DGG is so quiet on the fact that the age of consent in Israel has been lowered to 14. I guess it's not odd considering how friendly they and destiny are toward pedophiles.