Mega Rad Gun Thread

[NateHews]

Okay, so no standard NATO cartridge will pierce L4 plates. Is that the consensus?

Pretty much. Realistically speaking an ar15 with 30 round magazines is enough for most threats. If someone breaks in with level IV plates or a shield your best bet is to mag dump them.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

The ANTIFAggots can't pay their rent. They have airsoft gear with rainbow punisher skulls on them. They didn't do enough research to not be faggots, so it's likely they watched a YT vid and just bought whatever they were told. If you took 100 of them that are geared and actually invested in doing anything to you, maybe 3 of them have actual gear. The rest bought aliexpress and ebay shit so they can larp as revolutionaries. The vast majority of them, even if they have good gear, have no constitution or mental toughness. They don't ruck, they've never been in a real altercation, the shake and seethe when someone calls them a faggot on twitter.
If they made it to the front gate, and their super powerful LVL4 armor stopped one round, I can say with surety, they will realize that life is not video game, that fucking hurt, I'm going to flee.

 

[Rent Tin]

I don't subscribe to the ideas of, "dw about it they won't do that", because if I talk about my guns and they know it can't defeat L4 and they're going to cause problems, they'll get that. Don't forget a lot of these troons are gun spergs or even ex-military. Greta Gustava (TLL) who, because of the forum, is basically disgraced and excommunicado from the cult of trans for the unforgiveable crime of gay sacrilege, is ex-US military and has posted videos of himself shooting to try and scare me.

I understand what you're saying, but there's really no good options for you to deal with level IV armor. When you start training, get used to shooting below thorax. If there was a good option I would love to give it to you, but there just isn't. You'll be better set by fortifying your home to limit possible entrances, and having bars on windows/proper locks and reinforced doors. Have a staging area set up that is defensible (typically a staircase or a hallway) that you can post up at and shoot down.

You will get a lot more mileage by setting up a security system, cameras, reinforcement than you will by trying to hunt down the "unicorn round" that can solve your concerns with level IV armor.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I don't subscribe to the ideas of, "dw about it they won't do that", because if I talk about my guns and they know it can't defeat L4 and they're going to cause problems, they'll get that. Don't forget a lot of these troons are gun spergs or even ex-military. Greta Gustava (TLL) who, because of the forum, is basically disgraced and excommunicado from the cult of trans for the unforgiveable crime of gay sacrilege, is ex-US military and has posted videos of himself shooting to try and scare me.

Well you could always buy a bolt action with a hot round. 338 Lapua Magnum for armor, and your AR for mooks.

 

[BallsMcLongDong]

I don't subscribe to the ideas of, "dw about it they won't do that", because if I talk about my guns and they know it can't defeat L4 and they're going to cause problems, they'll get that. Don't forget a lot of these troons are gun spergs or even ex-military. Greta Gustava (TLL) who, because of the forum, is basically disgraced and excommunicado from the cult of trans for the unforgiveable crime of gay sacrilege, is ex-US military and has posted videos of himself shooting to try and scare me.

Fair enough. Let's say the most dedicated, super soldier troon with the best actual tac gear came out for you. Nothing you can buy legally will defeat their armor, on a 100% basis. At that rate, what you need to do is practice your shot placement. You can't tag chest vitals. Fine, start practicing under duress how to aim for pelvic bowl, shoulders, legs, etc....a disabled but still alive combatant is not an effective combatant. They can still be a threat, but if you make it so they can't even stand, they will be much less a threat.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

I don't subscribe to the ideas of, "dw about it they won't do that", because if I talk about my guns and they know it can't defeat L4 and they're going to cause problems, they'll get that. Don't forget a lot of these troons are gun spergs or even ex-military. Greta Gustava (TLL) who, because of the forum, is basically disgraced and excommunicado from the cult of trans for the unforgiveable crime of gay sacrilege, is ex-US military and has posted videos of himself shooting to try and scare me.

I’d try to get a safe room if you’re this concerned about a home invasion. (Assuming you’re not in an apartment complex)

If you’re renting, I would rent near a police station in a city with a fast response time. Maybe buy them some donuts so they won’t SWAT you.

Or get your own level IV plates

 

[Rent Tin]

Well you could always buy a bolt action with a hot round. 338 Lapua Magnum for armor, and your AR for mooks.

Telling anyone concerned about home invasion/ranch invasion to buy a bolt-action rifle is the most retarded thing I've seen today. This is not a video-game, Josh is not going to be quickswapping between his rifles as he 360 no-scopes troons while jumping off his house.

 

[Belgians in the Congo]

Anzio 20mm

The feds took their FFL recently btw, a real shame.

because if I talk about my guns and they know it can't defeat L4 and they're going to cause problems, they'll get that

You need to keep it realistic, guns are tools and they all have different pros and cons it doesn't matter if you have an 1800s cannon loaded with grapeshot ready to turn a house invasion troon into a fine mist if in the troon waita outside for you to leave and jumps you with a prison shank, the .38 special in your pocket beats the AR10 inside your home.

 

[WelperHelper99]

There is also the bayonet. Very old school, but that can be effective against ceramic and Kevlar plate, which is what makes L4 armor. You'd have to get a AR set up for one though.

 

[4090 Chad]

I’d try to get a safe room if you’re this concerned about a home invasion. (Assuming you’re not in an apartment complex)

If you’re renting, I would rent near a police station in a city with a fast response time. Maybe buy them some donuts, so they won’t SWAT you.

I’d honestly be more worried about a hit and run arson threat if I were Null. Most antifa/trannies are huge pussies and wouldn’t want to directly risk their lives to kill Null. They are huge fans of Molotov’ing police cars and buildings though.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Telling anyone concerned about home invasion/ranch invasion to buy a bolt-action rifle is the most retarded thing I've seen today.

He's asking the impossible. I guess he can buy a Barrett, that's semi auto and 50 cal, that'll do it.

 

[WASR96]

For the civilian market, the only thing you can buy to get a clean pass through level 4 every time would be something chambered in .338 Lapua or a .50BMG
Barrett and Serbu both make semi-auto .50BMG rifles, but they would not make great home defense guns due to their size and weight. Everything else is about shot placement. Level 4 plates don't make you invincible, they're there to make sure a bullet doesn't pass through your most vital areas (lungs/heart.) Thousands of soldiers around the world have still been put down while wearing body armor. Hitting someone in their pelvic bowl is a rough spot to get hit for anyone, man, woman, or freakish man in a dress alike.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

If you're going to start trying to make non-centre-mass shots because of tranny super-soldiers with L4 plates, I would imagine that at hallway distances either a 12 bore slug or a couple of cartridges of buck to the noggin would be both doable and deeply persuasive.

But if they're in your hallway, shits already gone south. Cameras, alarms, doors, windows, locks, an XL Bully that flies into a murderous rage on hearing falsetto are all things to consider. Better for the police to deal with them as they try to bust down your solid door with a dilator.

 

[Null]

I’d try to get a safe room if you’re this concerned about a home invasion. (Assuming you’re not in an apartment complex)

If you’re renting, I would rent near a police station in a city with a fast response time.

I don't think I can afford this. I've had to really reduce my options of where I'm looking just because of how expensive homes are. I might seriously end up in Florida again despite the shit climate because that's what's in my range and I won't have to improve the land at all to get Internet or utilities like I would in the Dakotas or Rockies. I can cope about Florida's climate by just being active in the morning or evening (which is how most southerners cope with the climate), and I can double-cope about the climate by appreciating the broad range of crops that grow there.

I'm thinking what I should get is a 7.62×51mm NATO for a marksman rifle, a 5.56x45mm NATO AR platform, and then something else for shortrange.

This video looks at .300 Winchester black tip slugs, and while they don't penetrate, I am pretty sure that hole behind the plate would still kill you. And if it doesn't, I will shoot you twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bSkI4C75Vs

 

[Rent Tin]

To add onto what others are saying: .50 BMG and .338 Lapua Magnum are not viable.
Completely ignore any comments suggesting those, it is literally just people memeing and theorycrafting what could "technically" do it. Those rifles for the most part are not designed to be shot from the shoulder in a standing position, they are for extreme long-range shooting.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

I'm thinking what I should get is a 7.62×51mm NATO for a marksman rifle, a 5.56x45mm NATO AR platform, and then something else for shortrange.

This is perfectly reasonable. A 9mm pistol would be a suitable short-range option.

There is no gun that a normal human being can comfortably carry and fire in an in-home self defense situation that can penetrate level 4 plates in one shot. Your only options are a mag dump which eventually will break through, or shoot your attacker in the face/other fleshy exposed bits that could cause incapacitation.

 

[Rent Tin]

I'm thinking what I should get is a 7.62×51mm NATO for a marksman rifle, a 5.56x45mm NATO AR platform, and then something else for shortrange.

Those are both good choices. 5.56 will work great for in-house defense as well. If you are out of the house definitely have a concealed pistol.

This video looks at .300 Winchester black tip slugs, and while they don't penetrate, I am pretty sure that hole behind the plate would still kill you. And if it doesn't, I will shoot you twice.

I would recommend against this, because you'll be firing that from a bolt-action rifle. In a fight, you're not making that second shot.

 

[Justtocheck]

I think this discussion has gone off the rails because of gun autism, which is fun and all, but I think it's better to stick to the needs of the user.

Plates are only supposed to do one thing realistically. Just protect your most vital organs, so when you get shot up, you have a chance of making it to the ER. Most of the time if you put 3-4 rounds of a rifle (AP) or not, you will very likely hit arms, legs, abdomen, hip. That is an instant down. Getting shot in the chest or head with a high caliber rifle is almost an instant death. With a handgun, maybe, adrenaline might keep you in the fight. A rifle round is another story.

imo, Null should just get a reliable AR platform, regular ammo, and a Glock/M&P 2.0. What's very useful and nobody talked about is shooting practice. A blue gun will pay for itself in range training. And you don't have to mess with a real gun in your house. And it's not like an airsoft one, where people might confuse it for one. Practicing and firing to targets is better than buying a retarded platform. It's the user, not the gun at the end of the day.

 

[4090 Chad]

and then something else for shortrange.

Beretta 1301

 

[Null]

Beretta 1301

Literally everyone and their dog last time told me to get a specific shotgun that can't be beat and i don't think it was this

edit: this is REALLY pretty tho