General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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To be fair most rappers fucking suck so it's not exactly a high bar to clear.

 

[mandatorylurk]

I'm guessing Fuwamoco got a dog (or two)? Or even.....a cat?

 

[Burnt Fish]

Fellow Black person here, I can tell you straight up that a lot of the animosity from Black Twitter and Rap Twitter towards her boils down to Tall Poppy Syndrome. They see her as this new-age Vanilla Ice—a White artist cashing in on Black culture, bringing it to an audience that normally wouldn’t touch the genre or the culture it represents.

For Vanilla Ice, it was other Whites. But for Calli, it’s those dreaded "Racist Weebs." And let’s be real, debuting in 2020 during the BLM protests and the peak of Twitter’s virtue-signaling era didn’t do her any favors. Add to that some Dead Beats hailing her as better than most rappers they’ve heard, and you’ve got a perfect storm.

I've just come to terms with the fact that mainstream hip hop culture will write off anything that they don't percieve as "hard" or "real" (read as: Black) as being an affront on the culture and dismissed with the blanket buzzword "corny"

For Calli yeah by the standards of mainstream western hiphop she's corny as hell. But to me it's always been juding her to a standard that she's not even trying to be in the first place. her entrance point to rap was shit like FAKE TYPE and other Japanese netrappers. Which by those western hip hop standards are also all corny as hell. I just look at Jrap as it's whole own thing adjacent to western Rap but still off doing it's own thing. The same way I don't look at western pop the same way with the same expectations as I do from Kpop

It made it funny to me when Visecs when he was doing his weird facedox Ame to call the vtubers racist bit, tried to also have a go at calli and her music. Because he's from the nerdcore scene who just like Calli gets dumped on by the mainstream hiphopheads for all the same shit "it's lame" "it's corny"

 

[Miller]

ETA: Oh God oh fuck how could I've forgotten

Also:

 

[Maniacal Foreigner]

Would you look at that. A vtuber with actual working opsec.
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It's easy to have good Steam opsec when you're working for a large company that can buy the games for you on a dedicated streaming account.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

 

[Burnt Fish]

It's easy to have good Steam opsec when you're working for a large company that can buy the games for you on a dedicated streaming account.

You think Hololive buys them games? lol

They just use a separate account because their steam names will pop up in collabs.

 

[CyrusHowler]

Retards like me demand that you be not only technically proficient and advancing the artform, but also expressing something meaningful -- as opposed to rapping about rapping

Retard is the right word for someone who would say dumb shit like this.

Calli is in the middle with everybody else, ergo she's trash and if you don't think so you're trash too. That's how rap works.

If that’s how rap works then rap can fuck off.
The only “rap” I like is the NerdCore shit because I’m not being bombarded with sob stories about the hood, nigga every other word, and being told that I need to wear Gucci, do drugs and drive a lambo to be successful.
The only “rap” I like that does that is the Glorb dude who does the SpongeBob songs because it’s funny.

Fellow Black person here, I can tell you straight up that a lot of the animosity from Black Twitter and Rap Twitter towards her boils down to Tall Poppy Syndrome. They see her as this new-age Vanilla Ice—a White artist cashing in on Black culture, bringing it to an audience that normally wouldn’t touch the genre or the culture it represents.

For Vanilla Ice, it was other Whites. But for Calli, it’s those dreaded "Racist Weebs." And let’s be real, debuting in 2020 during the BLM protests and the peak of Twitter’s virtue-signaling era didn’t do her any favors. Add to that some Dead Beats hailing her as better than most rappers they’ve heard, and you’ve got a perfect storm.

I thought this was detailed with Slim Shady.

Also, your rap culture was created for you by kikes to keep you in line. Congrats, you played yourselves.

the blanket buzzword "corny"

Anytime I hear rap fans call something corny I immediately stop listening to what they have to say.

by the standards of mainstream western hiphop

AKA Garbage.

 

[HoloSimpAgain]

You think Hololive buys them games? lol

They just use a separate account because their steam names will pop up in collabs.

With the amount of money they can milk out of a single game, they might as well be free to them

 

[X-avier cuck]

I've just come to terms with the fact that mainstream hip hop culture will write off anything that they don't percieve as "hard" or "real" (read as: Black) as being an affront on the culture and dismissed with the blanket buzzword "corny"

For Calli yeah by the standards of mainstream western hiphop she's corny as hell. But to me it's always been juding her to a standard that she's not even trying to be in the first place. her entrance point to rap was shit like FAKE TYPE and other Japanese netrappers. Which by those western hip hop standards are also all corny as hell. I just look at Jrap as it's whole own thing adjacent to western Rap but still off doing it's own thing. The same way I don't look at western pop the same way with the same expectations as I do from Kpop

It made it funny to me when Visecs when he was doing his weird facedox Ame to call the vtubers racist bit, tried to also have a go at calli and her music. Because he's from the nerdcore scene who just like Calli gets dumped on by the mainstream hiphopheads for all the same shit "it's lame" "it's corny"

I see her as a net positive, bringing new faces to the genre, kinda like how Hamilton burst onto Broadway almost a decade ago. Unconventional and fresh, it was an enormous success, and its ripple effects are still felt today.

The big difference? Hamilton got love from hip-hop royalty—Busta Rhymes, Jay-Z, LL Cool J, Black Thought, Questlove, the whole crew. Vtubing, though, is still niche. Not as many eyes on her yet, but if she got that big push? Man, that would be huge for the community and for Cover.

Old heads and virtue signalers on r/hiphop gotta face facts: hip hop’s been commercialized. When Disney’s using it in movies like Moana, and white liberal writers hype up Kendrick versus Drake without knowing their tracks, it’s clear—the golden age they pine for is done.

Japanese hip hop? Different vibe. More introspective, often pretty heavy. Her music feels like a blend of Linkin Park and Nujabes. But the internet? It’s all about clicks, no room for nuance.

@CyrusHowler hip hop as we know it today was created in the 1970s by Blacks and Puerto Ricans, but it has ties to West African folk music.


Eminem was actually pushed by Dr Dre so he was always sort of seen as an honorary by most people in the community and the same can be said about the Beastie Boys.

 

[Scarthew]

You think Hololive buys them games? lol

They just use a separate account because their steam names will pop up in collabs.

If only they seperated discords too, then rushia would still be there. (I do wonder if she would've just fucked up some other way given how bad she's been since)

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

It's a Phase kinda night
Muyu is doing a half birthday with the rest of Euphoria.

Blue Bear is back from the dead.

Lia talks about weird AI art on Facebook.

Tenma had a stream with women with actual boobs.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

I'm not even remotely surprised which enemy freaked IRyS out:

 

[Thomas Talus]

I won't claim to know anything about rap, but I liked End of a Life, albeit more for what she was trying to say and how she phrased things than the sound.

 

[X-avier cuck]

The double standard is truly frustrating. It's inconsistent to gatekeep something and then lament not receiving an invitation to a DEI event beyond your expertise.

 

[A shitty ass clover]

I think it just becomes somewhat stupid when it's gatekeeping someone who's not even trying to get in the gate lol.
Calli's said on both her accounts a whole lot of times that she doesn't consider her music hip hop, that any time her music has been listed there on music platforms it's because either holo or her label put it there.

Honestly I get it. It's kinda like an Avatar situation when you put it that way. It has all the art styles and execution to call it an Anime yet you can't really call it that because it's of western origin.

Regardless, There must be people listening because she sure has shit hasn't stopped and she doesn't plan to. Ergo, there is a dedicated fanbase for her.

 

[CyrusHowler]

@CyrusHowler hip hop as we know it today was created in the 1970s by Blacks and Puerto Ricans, but it has ties to West African folk music

Yeah that’s the textbook version. A lot of Jews played a big part in shaping rap culture. Rick Rubin and others. Look into it.

 

[U+200B]

It's easy to have good Steam opsec when you're working for a large company that can buy the games for you on a dedicated streaming account.

There is also Family sharing. Iirc if the profile is private nobody can see your friends and you can hide it in the library.

 

[X-avier cuck]

Yeah that’s the textbook version. A lot of Jews played a big part in shaping rap culture. Rick Rubin and others. Look into it.

If we're talking early prototypes then the earliest relative of Rap would've been people like

The Memphis Jug Band or The Jubalaires.​

Not counting West African Griots, the lyrical content originated from Blues and Jazz scatting which is why so many older Rap songs ( and even now in rare cases) are sampled from them.


The culture was always around but was largely underground, and only became mainstream much later after the Disco died out.

 

[CyrusHowler]

If we're talking early prototypes then the earliest relative of Rap would've been people like

Don’t forget Arkie Shibley and his Hot Rod Race songs.

I’m specifically talking about the “culture” surrounding rap that has existed since the 70’s but really got bad in the 90’s.
The reason why American blacks are one of the most despised groups on the planet to the point where even Africans don’t like them.