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MalWart said:
I recall riding this once, it was around 2000 I believe. Since I was only three years old at the time, I had to sit in one of those stationary benches up front, so I never got the full experience. :( (It was already gone by my next visit a couple of years later)
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A shame, still, I never got to go to one of these at all myself, but the feeling is mutual.

Noticed this vid which includes pre-show and post-show footage!
 
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In the spirit of a spooky tomorrow, a TV special from the 1980's comes back to haunt us with its shotty production values!
 
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Jewelsmakerguy said:
Jeez, where are the inbetweens?
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That's what I like to know!

There was a story over why this happened, and it involved someone who was the production manager who simply took the money and ran, leaving whoever with what might as well be a colorful animatic/pose reel. It's really a shame since the designs aren't that bad. Someone once suggested I should think of this as an animated storybook sort of thing, like those crappy Golden Book videos they were crapping out in the 80's, and I suppose if you can get past the unfinished look, it might work (at least their eyes and mouths move). Whoever owned Ted E. Bear went even cheaper on a later video where they simply used puppets!
 
Trilby said:
That's what I like to know!

There was a story over why this happened, and it involved someone who was the production manager who simply took the money and ran, leaving whoever with what might as well be a colorful animatic/pose reel. It's really a shame since the designs aren't that bad. Someone once suggested I should think of this as an animated storybook sort of thing, like those crappy Golden Book videos they were crapping out in the 80's, and I suppose if you can get past the unfinished look, it might work (at least their eyes and mouths move). Whoever owned Ted E. Bear went even cheaper on a later video where they simply used puppets!
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And it's odd, because I recognize a few of the animators involved on this project (like Fred Wolf, one of the co-creators of the '87 TMNT cartoon and co-director of American Rabbit, as well as DePatie-Freleng/Marvel Entertainment animators Tom Ray and Virgil Ross) and the voice cast are standard VAs of the time such as Hal Smith and Hans Conried. So it's not like they hired complete unknowns. Just for reference, the credits even list animators from Disney and Filmation as among their crew.

So I think I can buy the "Producer stole the money" theory. If this was an intentional design choice, then I really got to scratch my head at that given the amount of talent behind this production.
 
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Jewelsmakerguy said:
And it's odd, because I recognize a few of the animators involved on this project (like Fred Wolf, one of the co-creators of the '87 TMNT cartoon and co-director of American Rabbit, as well as DePatie-Freleng/Marvel Entertainment animators Tom Ray and Virgil Ross) and the voice cast are standard VAs of the time such as Hal Smith and Hans Conried. So it's not like they hired complete unknowns. Just for reference, the credits even list animators from Disney and Filmation as among their crew.

So I think I can buy the "Producer stole the money" theory. If this was an intentional design choice, then I really got to scratch my head at that given the amount of talent behind this production.
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There was a book version that was illustrated by Rick Reinert too (the guy behind those Cap'n O. G. Readmore PSA's and specials).

That story I mentioned was told by animator Mark Kausler in an interview while talking about having to work with this person previously with Chuck Jones in the 70's when he got fired off of one of his projects.
http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/mark-kausler-chat-part-i.html
 
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Trilby said:
That's what I like to know!

There was a story over why this happened, and it involved someone who was the production manager who simply took the money and ran, leaving whoever with what might as well be a colorful animatic/pose reel. It's really a shame since the designs aren't that bad. Someone once suggested I should think of this as an animated storybook sort of thing, like those crappy Golden Book videos they were crapping out in the 80's, and I suppose if you can get past the unfinished look, it might work (at least their eyes and mouths move). Whoever owned Ted E. Bear went even cheaper on a later video where they simply used puppets!
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It still looks cheap, but at least those old Golden Book videos (and all the other ones from other publishing companies) were at least trying to be moving storybooks; so no mouth movement, etc. This just screams "someone stole the money," so no wonder it turned out to be true.

To bring this to something else... remember when Tim Burton didn't suck?


Or, alternately, this classic from a great Cartoon Network show?

 
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Steamboat_Bill said:
It still looks cheap, but at least those old Golden Book videos (and all the other ones from other publishing companies) were at least trying to be moving storybooks; so no mouth movement, etc. This just screams "someone stole the money," so no wonder it turned out to be true.
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It was just kinda sad to be 6 years old and saw it on TV back in '83 and wondered why it looked like this. One webpage mentioned one station even slot it around the Christmastime as well, so they obviously didn't care about it.

To bring this to something else... remember when Tim Burton didn't suck?

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I do. Should've stayed in animation I feel, but his early live-action stuff is cool too like Hansel & Gretel.
 
So apparently, Chris Savino and the animators on The Loud House know what Loss is...
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I've also been thinking about this classic episode of The Simpsons lately as well:


(Insert "Hillary's inauguration speech" joke here.)


EDIT: In the Tumblr forum, there've been a couple of people lamenting how the young people today don't know how the government works. It's too late for them, but perhaps if we start showing these again, today's generation can learn how:

 
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Steamboat_Bill said:
I've also been thinking about this classic episode of The Simpsons lately as well:


(Insert "Hillary's inauguration speech" joke here.)


EDIT: In the Tumblr forum, there've been a couple of people lamenting how the young people today don't know how the government works. It's too late for them, but perhaps if we start showing these again, today's generation can learn how:

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Ever little bit helps. I'm just glad I aced American Government class back in high school.

What I will suggest is this classic from the 70's....
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
EDIT: In the Tumblr forum, there've been a couple of people lamenting how the young people today don't know how the government works. It's too late for them, but perhaps if we start showing these again, today's generation can learn how:

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Steamboat_Bill said:
I've also been thinking about this classic episode of The Simpsons lately as well:

EDIT: In the Tumblr forum, there've been a couple of people lamenting how the young people today don't know how the government works. It's too late for them, but perhaps if we start showing these again, today's generation can learn how:
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Also:

EDIT: More simpsons;
 
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Trilby said:
Really do miss my youth sometimes.
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Same here. I really do miss those late-Clinton, early-Bush years...

You know, Bush wasn't really that bad of a president when you think about it.

(God, did I say that?! I'm going to have to turn in my liberal card.)
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
Same here. I really do miss those late-Clinton, early-Bush years...

You know, Bush wasn't really that bad of a president when you think about it.

(God, did I say that?! I'm going to have to turn in my liberal card.)
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He was only fine before 9-11, at least that's how I felt.
 
Speaking of Schoolhouse Rock parodies, I'm sure I probably share this before, but here it is again, a fancy student effort from CalArts that's rather very proto-SJW for its time.
 
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I think this must be my favorite moment in anything Disney-produced.


Look at the father. He's utterly shameless about his drunkenness. Hilarious. Imagine a studio making light of this stuff today.

I also love this Disney cartoon, mainly for the hilarious closing gag:

 
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