Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[The Ugly One]

I still don't get it.

You stole our election in 2016 and put Trump, aka "Putin's cockholster," in office. You think I'm joking. I'm not. As early as Goebbels, propagandists figured out that if you build an emotional reaction in people based on a lie, once the truth is revealed, the emotional reaction remains. The media spent 2016-2018 making half the country hate Russia with foaming-at-the-mouth intensity as a way of delegitimizing President Trump. When the collusion turned out to be a frame-up job, it didn't change the Pavlovian hate-response half the country has toward anything Russian.

 

[Whistlin' Crustacean]

You stole our election in 2016 and put Trump, aka "Putin's cockholster," in office. You think I'm joking. I'm not. As early as Goebbels, propagandists figured out that if you build an emotional reaction in people based on a lie, once the truth is revealed, the emotional reaction remains. The media spent 2016-2018 making half the country hate Russia with foaming-at-the-mouth intensity as a way of delegitimizing President Trump. When the collusion turned out to be a frame-up job, it didn't change the Pavlovian hate-response half the country has toward anything Russian.

"Our populace is akin to dogs in how it views the world, and our media has been training them well."

No wonder I've been increasingly hearing the word "idiocracy" with regard to the US. Uneducated, uncritical, "trust the science" people who think history began in 2014 electing like-minded dogs. Salivate, doggy.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

I still don't get it.

Propaganda. We're taught who we're supposes to hate, not why.

If you dig into the why, it's because Russia's actions threaten the unipolar globalist system that keeps the US in full control. As to why it works so well on the American left, well it's because a huge part of globalism is globohomo.

Basically at this point, our foreign policy is driven by how many pride parades a country has.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

You stole our election in 2016 and put Trump, aka "Putin's cockholster," in office. You think I'm joking. I'm not. As early as Goebbels, propagandists figured out that if you build an emotional reaction in people based on a lie, once the truth is revealed, the emotional reaction remains. The media spent 2016-2018 making half the country hate Russia with foaming-at-the-mouth intensity as a way of delegitimizing President Trump. When the collusion turned out to be a frame-up job, it didn't change the Pavlovian hate-response half the country has toward anything Russian.

Remember that time when Obama made fun of Romney for making Russia out to be a boogeyman?

Man, how far the left has fallen.

 

[Susanna]

You stole our election in 2016 and put Trump, aka "Putin's cockholster," in office. You think I'm joking. I'm not. As early as Goebbels, propagandists figured out that if you build an emotional reaction in people based on a lie, once the truth is revealed, the emotional reaction remains. The media spent 2016-2018 making half the country hate Russia with foaming-at-the-mouth intensity as a way of delegitimizing President Trump. When the collusion turned out to be a frame-up job, it didn't change the Pavlovian hate-response half the country has toward anything Russian.

Delegitimising Trump by claiming that he's controlled by Russia wouldn't have worked unless the population already hated Russia, though.

 

[Derka Derka]

That is why being cynical more often than not turns out to be a good thing, at least to some extent.

In that case, the typical Russian should be at the top of the game

Delegitimising Trump by claiming that he's controlled by Russia wouldn't have worked unless the population already hated Russia, though.

They didn't need the whole population ... only the party faithful (who are suffering from TDS and believe anything bad about him) and a decent percentage of the people sitting on the fence

 

[High-Fructose Corn Syrup]

An American mercenary that was taking photo ops with flags in Kursk fled after one day of fighting. Smart man, he gets to whine about his cowardice and failure on TV. Why would an able-bodied American need to go to Ukraine to fight a dictatorship when they have a dictatorship at home? Stay the fuck in Oklahoma next time, nigger.

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Because people who join the military especially the US military are either 1) Morons or 2) Sociopaths.
Rational, Sane and well adjusted people don't volunteer to join.

 

[The Ugly One]

Delegitimising Trump by claiming that he's controlled by Russia wouldn't have worked unless the population already hated Russia, though.

It worked because Russia did the most evil thing in world history, prevented the first woman President from claiming her rightful office.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Delegitimising Trump by claiming that he's controlled by Russia wouldn't have worked unless the population already hated Russia, though.

You're Russian, you have no idea what the people of the US have become since 1990. Decades of films, video and music extolling the virtues of ignorance, violence, sexual deviancy (and I mean literal deviancy, not just sexual promiscuity) and gluttony as the ultimate expression of freedom while dismissing intellectual and scientific truth as old fashioned, bothersome and annoying vestiges of another era. Drug use is not only rampant, its acceptable. Motherhood is sneered at, fatherhood is seen as something to dodge; as a result, familial bonds are broken and replaced with polycules comprised of men in dresses and obese women who have children, proud of not knowing who the father is,. Sure, there are still places where people still hold onto their history and values but they are getting smaller every day.

Into that the state blasted the idea that Russia and Russians were evil, trying to take away their freedom to be degenerate into every cell phone (that they give away and pay for so as to ensure they can reach as many as possible) and so of course they hate Russia. Before that it was China; tomorrow it could be Iran (again). And at some point it will be other Americans.

Look at who is in the White House right now, a place were cocaine was found, brought in by a staffer or even the President's family members. His own son is so far gone that he isn't at all shamed by the images of him whoring around, smoking crack and abandoning his family. Those are the values that America promotes; a banana republic with nukes.

 

[Meh123]

TOW missiles have been a thing forever. This is just a revision of that.

A TOW missile follows a relatively straight path within LoS.
A drone is more agile and goes on complex paths.
Also IDK if they use another cable with the fiber, but physical straining & comm cables do not mix well.

 

[Susanna]

A TOW missile follows a relatively straight path within LoS.
A drone is more agile and goes on complex paths.
Also IDK if they use another cable with the fiber, but physical straining & comm cables do not mix well.

The cable isn't strained, it's unspooled from the drone itself at more or less the same rate as the drone's airspeed. It's a very thin cable, and the drone isn't flying very high, so the actual strain is minimal and mostly alleviated by drag as it gently floats to the ground where left behind.

It worked because Russia did the most evil thing in world history, prevented the first woman President from claiming her rightful office.

Even the democrats didn't want Clinton though, they just didn't want Trump more.

 

[namelesstacotruck]

A TOW missile follows a relatively straight path within LoS.
A drone is more agile and goes on complex paths.
Also IDK if they use another cable with the fiber, but physical straining & comm cables do not mix well.

Trench warfare and relatively flat unwooded areas its fine. Good for ukraine (farm land style terrain) and sand nigger territory. Good for oceans too for screening drones (not attack ones)

A fleet of underwater screening drones attached via tether to keep up the parent might work too to screen underwater attacks.

The tech would probably have issues in jungle or heavily wooded areas.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Game Theory fails against an opponent that does not act in its own interests. As Ukraine is not because their government is owned by the USA. Unsure where I was unclear!

game theory fails on actors whose goals are "SATAN IS GOOD SATAN IS MY PAL SATAN IS GREAT SACRIFICE THE CHILDREN NOW"

 

[Gondolindrim]

game theory fails on actors whose goals are "SATAN IS GOOD SATAN IS MY PAL SATAN IS GREAT SACRIFICE THE CHILDREN NOW"

Probably a metaphor for capitalism in there somewhere.

 

[Derka Derka]

So which maps and daily strategic summaries are people using?

Out of habit I still use Liveuamap (from its readability) and watch Military Summary on Rumble (Russia biased, but reports on both sides consistently)

 

[Useful_Mistake]

DeepStateUA (connections with Ukr gov., slow to report on some offensives like the Kursk one, but overall good and fast for everything else).

Rybar (pro-Russian. Usually accurate, but willing to shill rumors when useful for propaganda.)

DPA (neutral, frequent updates. Annoying voice)

AMK Mapping (Pro-Ukr, but constantly admits to Russian advances)

Suriyak (sometimes) (pretty good and reliable)

History Legends (neutral, infrequent updates)

 

[Uncle Holter]

Delegitimising Trump by claiming that he's controlled by Russia wouldn't have worked unless the population already hated Russia, though.

I think you got it backwards. They did not delegitimize Trump by claiming he was controlled by Russia, the people who would believe such a thing already thought that trump was illegitimate before the election because orange man bad. The point was to use the already well established notion of "orange man bad" to agitate against Russia by blaming them for the very very bad orange man. They basically went "how do we cope with trump winning in 2016? I guess we blame it all on Russia to at least get the left on board with our plan of cold war 2.0".

 

[Soyjack Pinhead]

Rybar (pro-Russian. Usually accurate, but willing to shill rumors when useful for propaganda.)

What exactly is Rybar's deal? Pro-NATO types talk about them like they're Putin's personal sockpuppet on Twitter. Pro-Russians talk about them like they're NATO's fifth column within the Russian information space. I'm honestly at a loss to explain it.

 

[Betonhaus]

What exactly is Rybar's deal? Pro-NATO types talk about them like they're Putin's personal sockpuppet on Twitter. Pro-Russians talk about them like they're NATO's fifth column within the Russian information space. I'm honestly at a loss to explain it.

Could be that nobody likes them and have an excuse to may accept them as one of their own?

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

, the Tombov bakery is producing drones for the Russian army.
I see that the tradition of Soviet cigarette factories that can produce Mosinka round and tractor factories that can produce tanks has not disappeared,

its like the russians saw Under Siege and assumed every cook in the west had to be some navy seal badass who can create any weapon of war necessary.

Drones will become a common sight everywhere we go

might be old 2nd hand info but at least in the US there are so many fucking regulations that they're effectively illegal. Like you can't fly them at all in the DC metro area. And all those regulations are a big reason amazon abandoned using them, even though it seems like it should save time and/or money. Like imagine using a drone to fly an entire apartment's worth of packages to an apartment complex and forcing the owners to waste their time putting all those fucking things in the lockers rather than having one of your employees do it.

No wonder I've been increasingly hearing the word "idiocracy" with regard to the US.

that's just "its like 1984" but for a generation that forgot how to read books, the biggest problem with that fucking movie is that it doesn't talk about ethnicities , which is also why 1984 sucks too. Brave New World accurately saw that the world is very color coded and the browns and blacks just want to dance and drink and screw and couldn't run a country if they tried. And any improvements to public health would ultimately lead to them heavily outnumbering the civilized people, so the countries of the west would resemble India under UK rule: a handful of noble whites trying to control a shitload of browns in a functional anarchy. And trying to fix the problem in any way is going to be near impossible unless you start thinking in terms of race, which idiocracy fans won't do. Not being a race realist is like trying to play pokemon without knowing anything about types or species. you're fighting an uphill battle to the extreme.