General Wrestling Discussion

[Bullet Club]

Dave Meltzer raped the Young Bucks in the Summer of 97.

Dave gave it 7 stars.

 

[AllieKat]

THIS. IS. WRESTLING!

God what I would give to see prime JBL or Crash Holly stomp a mud hole in these faggots.

 

[Boss Hawg]

God what I would give to see prime JBL or Crash Holly stomp a mud hole in these faggots.

Stone Cold would have came out, hit 'em with a Stone Cold Stunner, leave in less than 40 seconds and bury this whole angle in one night. WCW and WWE used to have actual celebs (though it wasn't much better most the time), this reminds me of, "But here comes Robocop, Bob!", but less funny.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

THIS. IS. WRESTLING!

I'm seeing comments saying that it's good that they bring celebrities to promote Full Gear, but the problem is I don't know who the fuck is that guy.

Also, what, are the wrestlers not good enough to promote the show on their own? Rethoric question, by the way.

 

[Boss Hawg]

I'm seeing comments saying that it's good that they bring celebrities to promote Full Gear, but the problem is I don't know who the fuck is that guy.

They are Tik Tok famous retards, it's basically like having the Hawk Tauh girl fighting some lowly girl wrestler or any other Tik Tok/social media 'famous' retards to promote your wrestling program.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

They are Tik Tok famous retards, it's basically like having the Hawk Tauh girl fighting some lowly girl wrestler or any other Tik Tok/social media 'famous' retards to promote your wrestling program.

They are bringing TikTokers to promote a wrestling event?!

Man, that is fucking sad.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

They are Tik Tok famous retards, it's basically like having the Hawk Tauh girl fighting some lowly girl wrestler or any other Tik Tok/social media 'famous' retards to promote your wrestling program.

The guy was in the indies before he done the Tik Toks but it's dumb fun in a way.

 

[Boss Hawg]

The guy was in the indies before he done the Tik Toks but it's dumb fun in a way.

Well at least he knows how to wrestle some, it might be better than when TNA got that chick that won Survivor on a actual match on a PPV.
But I can't get over how much they are putting into this to have a big segment on their national television program, they must really lack talent and creative to put on a serious show.

p.s.
I think if AEW wants to continue, they should cut down cost considerably, limit it to one show a week, and just go full blown comedy shit. It's already just like one of them comedy wrestling promotions. They should just lean in on that and have fun instead of trying and failing to compete with WWE on the 'serious' wrestling. They should fill that niche.

 

[Bullet Club]

How about that Anna Jay?

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Meanwhile in Levesque-land, CM Punk returns with Paul fucking Heyman for the War Games match at Survivor Series. Wow, it's really difficult to choose what show can I watch this month!

 

[Well Intentioned]

He's already said stupid shit like they're the best tag team of all time

I know I'm being trolled here (not by you, by Meltzer) but I fucking don't understand how people can say that shit with a straight face.

I don't 'get' the Young Bucks. All I see is 'indie-riffic' stuff being played """ironically""" and a bunch of in-jokes/smarky shit.

If you enjoy them, cool. I don't give a fuck. I just don't understand what the argument is for them being in the running as the 'greatest' tagteam.

Rock 'n Roll Express? They basically created the mold which tag team wrestling still relies on.

Road Warriors? Power wrestling, memorable look which has been copied ad nauseum.

The Rockers? Basically what the Bucks are a Xerox of, but they actually brought in a lot of innovation and high-flying to audiences.

The Miracle Violence Connection, simply for having the most kickass name and two guys who could legitimately kill you.

Dudleys/Hardys/E&C? They more or less popularized spectacle/backyard wrestling.

There's the MCMG, Steiners, Hollywood Blondes, British Bulldogs, New Day, Briscoes, or Undertaker and Big Show for different reasons and who actually contributed more as a tag team than the Bucks.

 

[ForgedBlades]

I met the Bucks forever ago at an indie meet and greet shortly before they debuted in TNA and they were both complete dicks. I've met a lot of wrestlers in that type of setting and I can't remember anyone projecting an "I'd rather be anywhere else" type of vibe as much as they did. I know that some guys like to keep a little bit of kayfabe during those things but this was definitely not that.

I actually kind of liked their schtick in NJPW as the cocky gaijin heels, and I'd be lying if I said that I didn't enjoy their matches during that run. Granted, the industry wasn't completely oversaturated with that style like it seems to be today.

 

[OJ Simpson]

I know I'm being trolled here (not by you, by Meltzer) but I fucking don't understand how people can say that shit with a straight face.

I don't 'get' the Young Bucks. All I see is 'indie-riffic' stuff being played """ironically""" and a bunch of in-jokes/smarky shit.

If you enjoy them, cool. I don't give a fuck. I just don't understand what the argument is for them being in the running as the 'greatest' tagteam.

Rock 'n Roll Express? They basically created the mold which tag team wrestling still relies on.

Road Warriors? Power wrestling, memorable look which has been copied ad nauseum.

The Rockers? Basically what the Bucks are a Xerox of, but they actually brought in a lot of innovation and high-flying to audiences.

The Miracle Violence Connection, simply for having the most kickass name and two guys who could legitimately kill you.

Dudleys/Hardys/E&C? They more or less popularized spectacle/backyard wrestling.

There's the MCMG, Steiners, Hollywood Blondes, British Bulldogs, New Day, Briscoes, or Undertaker and Big Show for different reasons and who actually contributed more as a tag team than the Bucks.

Not sure the Young Balds would even crack a serious wrestling fans top 25. Who have they influenced? What prestigious titles have they won? What will their long-term impact on the business be? Weren't they jobbers when TNA was on its first 1 or 2 deathbeds? Their only notable accomplishments in my eyes are the AAA and IWGP tag titles, both held once. They have more kayfabe awards from the possible pedophile Dave "The Liar" Melt than they do notable title reigns.

 

[Well Intentioned]

Not sure the Young Balds would even crack a serious wrestling fans top 25. Who have they influenced? What prestigious titles have they won? What will their long-term impact on the business be? Weren't they jobbers when TNA was on its first 1 or 2 deathbeds? Their only notable accomplishments in my eyes are the AAA and IWGP tag titles, both held once. They have more kayfabe awards from the possible pedophile Dave "The Liar" Melt than they do notable title reigns.

Yeah. I can give them credit for being merchandising geniuses, and for helping get AEW off the ground (with the huge caveat that AEW was like 99% having to find a money mark with deep enough pockets and, well, they found the Snowman) but their body of work as performers are either retreads of the Rockers/Outsiders/nWo or indieriffic shit.

And I'm not saying you have to be completely innovative and original with your shit -- Demolition was basically 'we have the Road Warriors at home' for WWF and I'd rate them in like a top 20 or something -- but there's nothing really memorable that sticks out for me. They're like the Billy Gunns of indie tag team wrestling -- good hands in the ring, decent on the mic, and that's about it.

 

[I.B. Niggin]

The Young Bucks are VERY influential in the sense of creating and inspiring so many spot monkeys devoid of any ring psychology in the past decade.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

Willow slimmed down since her last appearance.

 

[Would]

and Holywood was just Hogan, Hall, and Nash.

With guest star Dennis Rodman. I'd watch the OG nWo and the worm put a league of jobbers to the mat all day, brother!

 

[LikeAStone 2.0]

Almost forgot to post it but happy Mass Transit Day to all who celebrate

 

[Caddo Cobgang]

Meanwhile in Levesque-land, CM Punk returns with Paul fucking Heyman for the War Games match at Survivor Series. Wow, it's really difficult to choose what show can I watch this month!

my only criticism of Survior Series so far is that theres only 3 matches, War Games matches are long, but they could easily add Cody/Owens in there or a Midcard title defense in there, I think 5 matches is a good spot for Minor PPVs, as for Punk I think hes a good choice, they aren't going to bring back Lesnar unless they know 100% there was no wrongdoing on his part with the Vince Shitting saga, plus it continues the Punk-Rollins build in the background

 

[Shipping Steel]

Gonna peel through this quickly.

Osprey vs Fletcher was a great match, as expected, it's just such a shame that Fletcher suffers from what most bogan aussies have, and that's a nasally voice. Takeshita and Ricochet just didn't kick out of third gear, and that main event was fucking shit. I will give credit on there being a few fires in the heavyweight scene at the end, with Hangman, Cage and White sniffing around. It was all going somewhat well until the end where Darby decided to do a real like GTA and smash in to a car. Other than that, Full Gear was meh. Mira looked fucking hot tonight as well, holy shit!

Spoiler: Notes from presser

Whoever that AJ person is, he speaks highly about the experience working with AEW, which is nice. Mone talks about wanting another belt (fuck please don't...). Tony acting like a homeboy with Private Party was a fucking laugh, considering they both are faggots in real like, and do not have that thug personality. Private Party get asked a legit question about how hot wrestling is and now having children looking up to them as something to achieve within the wrestling enviroment, they plug a Brooklyn event they went to with school children. I've seen the clip, and I get how much this means to them. All wrestlers currently are nurturing the next generation of potenital superstars, and it can happen from all walks of life, so nice question. Quen said he looked up to Lashley and Benjamin when he was growing up, and now he feels like he understands how important that event was to him. The most boring wrestler in pro wrestling with his TNT belt decides to talk at this point. Question about stalled push, and worried that he wasn't gonna be popular, talks about how he pulled that around based on his confidence.

Don Callis family appears. I notice Renee has nice tits, then the bogan voice hits. Living in Australia, I hear that voice and think of people on the dole, asking for a smoko. Don selling at how great The Family is, by stating that Omega is weak in mind and body. Fucking great manager, don't understand why WWE haven't reached back out and taken him in. Everyone is asking Fletcher questions, and Don does the right thing by forcing Takeshita to answer a question. Takeshita speaks a mix of Jap and english, but states the Don Callis family has arrived. Callis thanks Takeshita for talking in english for the retards. FRIENDS ARE FOR MARKS - Don Callis

Hurt Syndicate are here. Bobbo loved the chant of "We hurt people". MVP states the first question was a stupid question to ask (Question was what keeps you motivated). Bobbo states he's won titles in TNA, WWE and then silence as he looks at Khan. Guess he will win belts shortly. MVP takes over and heels out on the whole presser, what a fucking superstar! Someone from the wrestling observer asks a question, and the response from MVP, "Nah, we don't entertain any questions from that nerd. Next question", I fucking popped, Benjamin laughed, and then Khan needed to validate the guy and ruined the spot...... Was a question about if Bobbo wanted to go back to MMA now he is out of WWE... what a fucking waste. MVP is owning this part of the presser. Kate from Fightful asked a question about coming in to a company with so many black champions, and what it meant to challenge a former black champion in Swerve. Bobbo imedietly says he doesn't like that "Black champion" term, it's just champion. THS want to normalise the term, and eliminate the "Black Champion" word. Great to hear from ACTUAL FUCKING PRO WRESTLING SUPERSTARS.

And we have Tony... Renee's tits are on show again, huge pop. AEW will be launching a new PPV platform and focusing on HBO Max. Looking to do more wrestling events around conventions and whatnot... This screams mid 90's WCW. WWEID question comes up, seeing if it will affect AEW. Talks about back in the day bringing in indi wrestlers during the pandemic to keep them working, focusing on Garcia as a success story. Gonna keep an eye on it and see if it will cause issues down the road, but he's taking it as it goes. Question about Costco and reaching out to the Casual Fans, talks about his story on how he got in to wrestling. Tony says G.I Joe and Slaughter got him in to wrestling, and the A-Team when Hulk Hogan was on. Tony is a G.I Joe nerd. Talks about how important Jon Moxley is to the company, Renee is loving that. Starks and Omega question, seeing what their status is and when can we expect them back in AEW. Pumps up Omega, didn't give a shine to Starks though... Talks about how November Rain ratings performed very well, going minute by minute, credits AJ and some other guy for doing a lot of foot work to draw attention to the event as well... Maybe Tony should take that on board... Update on Adam Copeland, there is no update at this stage. (This cunt just needs to answer a question). Tony proceeds to waffle on about shit I lost interest in.

As stated in the spoiler, MVP calling that guy from The Wrestling Observer a nerd was a fucking amazing call. Get fucked, Dave Meltzer.