US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[quaawaa]

I do not go into the British politics thread and tell Brits how their society functions. I will sometimes make observations, but always couch it with "this is just my opinion and observation as an American."

Is that guy going to assassinate the Prime Minister because the NHS makes UHC look generous? I doubt it, so he should shut up and stick to defending his own shitty healthcare system.

 

[UnidentifiedFlyingOrchid]

Luigi Mangione is a member of an "Old Money" family line of neofiti/conversos/crypto-jews. I posted twice over in the Kiwifarms thread dedicated to shooting (first post, second post).

Edit: I fumble-fingered and posted early. Good enough, I suppose.

 

[whoishomermynameis]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1866797787251347479

 

[namelesstacotruck]

John Adams defended Thomas Preston and his soldiers because it was the right thing to do. John Adams saw first-hand the danger of mob violence: everyone in Boston wanted to see Preston and his men hang. No other lawyer would defend Preston and his men because they were afraid of being targeted by locals. Instead of saying "yeah, they are assholes, they deserve it," John Adams gave them fair legal representation. This is a core, foundational value of the United States of America.

Defending street-level violence (assassination) would horrify America's Founding Fathers, who promoted fair legal processes for resolving differences. This is the kind of shit that happened in the French Revolution, which the Founding Fathers wanted no part of.

You do not understand American history, colonial or otherwise.

John Adams was a New Englander whose descendants (and their values) can be seen today.

If a colonial put a bullet in the chest of the head of the East India Trading company after said head won multiple legal challenges againsy their actions, got parliament to pass laws making him untouchable, and then did a victory lap. Many of the founding fathers would be very sympathetic. Tar and feathering was popular with colonials to address out of control people with power.

Adams views didnt map to many of the founders.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

The killing is legally wrong, but morally justified because the societal framework that should have allowed for the grievances of people like Luigi Mangione and other millions of americans to voice their issues and fix the problems of insurance fuckery have been systematically destroyed and blocked for decades at this point. People like Brian Thompson made peaceful change impossible, and as such guaranteed that a violent outburst would be inevitable.

Johnny's point about Thomas Preston and John Adams offers a decent parallel. In this context, it would be like if during the riot there had been literally no trial allowed to happen and it got simply blocked, and the authorities blanked declared the Redcoats innocent and moved on with denying to have anyone talk about it.

We get what we allow.

This whole healthcare insanity is relatively new and a consequence of the ACA. The reason nothing has changed is because liberals are too busy screaming about revolution and communism to allow for practical change. Meanwhile, all the commie enablers behind them accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being a bigot, which is usually enough to throw people off and get them to back down. Anyone who pushes past that gets accused of sex pestery, e.g. Brett Kavanaugh and now Pete Hegseth.

What needs to happen is people need to stand up to these commie footsoldiers and apparatchiks being used by the powers that be to squelch functional change. Americans need to stop getting caught up in identity politics. The way identity politics now affects US politics is a new phenomenon.

John Adams was a New Englander whose descendants (and their values) can be seen today.

If a colonial put a bullet in the chest of the head of the East India Trading company after said head won multiple legal challenges againsy their actions, got parliament to pass laws making him untouchable, and then did a victory lap. Many of the founding fathers would be very sympathetic. Tar and feathering was popular with colonials to address out of control people with power.

Adams views didnt map to many of the founders.

The Adams Family and the Sons of Liberty were integral to the Revolution. You do not know what you are talking about.

 

[Casshern]

I hope that this is the point where corporations realize that DEI is not worth it.

Haven’t they already? Fag month was rather barren this last year if memory serves, and it basically dried up alongside low interest rates. Woke video games have failed consistently in the last 4 years, ESG has basically died, Budlight still hasn’t recovered from the boycott, multiple companies, particularly those who rely on rural American business like Ford and Lowe’s, are distancing themselves from the Corporate Equality Index, and we’ve even seen the death of affirmative action. At minimum the accountants are well aware of the consequences, although (((marketers))) continue assaulting my eyes with woke.

No. I don't care he killed a Health insurance CEO no one should. But people should absolutely care about someone being assassinated in cold blood for fucks sake guys.

Why though? He died quickly and the 2nd Amendment is meant in part for regicide. If you don’t care that he was a CEO, then why care he was assassinated? It’s not as though you can divorce the two. There are consequences for every action, and when you deny Americans the ability to receive medical care, and in some cases kill them, then it’s only natural you’re under threat.

This is basically my opinion. Settling disputes of any kind by killing people is not good. morally or practically. That is how mudhut societies work.

Obviously murder as a general rule is morally bad, but when it’s someone who has sold their soul for earthly riches then there is little to care about. My only care is that I hope he found God in his dying moments. He certainly didn’t find God while he was actively pushing for even higher denial rates.

As for practically, that’s just historically not true. Especially in a situation like this where there is no legal recourse. What, you gonna vote for politicians who support healthcare reforms? Well there’s a bunch of political ads talking about how they’re going to remove healthcare entirely, so they didn’t win. And if they did win bribery is fair game in the US, so now they’re working against their campaign promises. You going to protest? No one listened, and in response funding to lobbying from these companies went up. And it’s not as though you can boycott or sue them effectively.

Our forefathers busted their asses to establish a society that would function without resorting to violence.

Our forefathers literally dueled to the death over particularly nasty disagreements. We have developed a culture of faggotry, and our lack of pushback against wrongs is evidence of such. The Founding Fathers stood up for their beliefs till their dying breath and gave us the tools to stop tyranny at the source. It’s only natural that they would expect us to use them when the time comes. In fact, we are literally suffering worse conditions in almost every freedom than they fought against back then. This is not wanton murder, this is not equivalent to niggers doing a drive by, nor is it mob violence. This is a king being deposed. A return to form for America.

You are under the romantic misconception that the Founding Fathers were purely anti-violence in every form, and you are wrong. They disliked violence, as any reasonable person does, but considering they fought an entire war they were hardly against the use of force when necessary. The below quote details Benjamin Franklin’s thoughts on the previous standards, which was assassinations, and how impeachment serves to lessen the desire for assassinations by providing an alternative that allows for the defense of oneself. He does not, however, deride the practice of assassinations for “obnoxious” individuals, as there was no other satisfactory framework to deal with them. Just like this situation. In fact, Bernard Bailyn, an accomplished historian on the matter, said the American colonists found their “ideal selves” and “voices” in the likes of Brutus.

Spoiler: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, debates in the Constitutional Convention, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, July 20, 1787.—James Madison, Debates on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, ed. Jonathan Elliot, vol. 5, pp. 340–41 (1845).

“History furnishes one example only of a first magistrate being formally brought to public justice. Every body cried out against this as unconstitutional. What was the practice before this, in cases where the chief magistrate rendered himself obnoxious? Why, recourse was had to assassination, in which he was not only deprived of his life, but of the opportunity of vindicating his character. It would be the best way, therefore, to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the executive, where his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal, where he should be unjustly accused.”

 

[Breadbassket]

Johnny's point about Thomas Preston and John Adams offers a decent parallel. In this context, it would be like if during the riot there had been literally no trial allowed to happen and it got simply blocked, and the authorities blanked declared the Redcoats innocent and moved on with denying to have anyone talk about it.

Be aware while John Adams took up a subjectively rather noble defense for the accused soldiers of the Boston Massacre, his stance was not universal.



It should also be considered that plenty of colonists and would be Patriots were not above public humiliation and torture even though they seemed to generally try to not outright kill anyone. Tarring and feathering was done to quite a few Loyalists and property damage or vandalism was not out of the question either. For an example of the former you have what happened to the customs official John Malcolm and for the latter there is the looting of the home of the Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts Bay.

 

[BikeLock]

We never asked them, kike kvetcher

Of course the kike kvetcher handwaves the technology that has saved American lives by giving them a combat edge on the battlefield and quivers, "b-b-but d-d-did the k-k-kikes...?" lmao

Did we ask Australia for troops, or did they just send them, because they were part of the "coalition"?

Anyone else find it odd that Australia sent more troop support than Israel, considering that the war is in their own backyard, for their own interests?

I guess we're just gonna ignore all that missile tech Israel sold the Chinese during the Clinton years, too.

Truly, our "Greatest Ally".

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

At minimum the accountants are well aware of the consequences, although (((marketers))) continue assaulting my eyes with woke.

Not all marketers like this woke shit because they see that it's a lot of money for not a lot of new customers.

What, you gonna vote for politicians who support healthcare reforms?

Yes. The alternative is to start killing and threatening people, which can happen to you. Leftists want things to get to this level because that's the environment in which they thrive, and they will come after you.

You are under the romantic misconception that the Founding Fathers were purely anti-violence in every form, and you are wrong.

See above. I agree with the notion that it's a fine line, but defending street violence against shitty CEOs can and will be used against you for being a Kiwi Farms Nazi Tranny Killer.

 

[demicolon]

nothing personal shitlurker, but there’s no such thing as right-wing undertale fans.

Am I nothing to you?

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

YOU FOOL! never ever assume anything undertale related isn’t leftoid dribble
nothing personal shitlurker, but there’s no such thing as right-wing undertale fans.

Undertale had great music and the best duck in popular media.

 

[whoishomermynameis]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/hope-walz-joe-rogan-fans-red-flag-dating-litmus-test-tim-walz/

In a video posted this weekend to her nearly 190,000 TikTok followers, the 23-year-old said a dating "litmus test" for her and her friends is whether "the guy we're talking to follows Joe Rogan on Instagram," adding that's a "red flag and we should probably stop talking to them."

"It's literally never failed us. And at this point, it's like the first thing we do when someone starts talking to a new person. If they follow [Rogan], we're like, yeah, this person probably isn't a great person, probably our values don't align. So we're gonna move on from that," Hope Walz said.

 

[Mr Bunny]

What?!? Did you Eurofags say something? What?!? Speak up can't hear you!

 

[Chuckwagon]

Trudeau copes & sneeds at being called governor of the state of Canada by Trump by...reasserting his feminist bonafides, whining about how Americans refused to elect a female president twice and how it 'shouldn't be/wasn't supposed to be that way'. (Archive)

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Defending street-level violence (assassination) would horrify America's Founding Fathers, who promoted fair legal processes for resolving differences. This is the kind of shit that happened in the French Revolution, which the Founding Fathers wanted no part of.

You've missed the middle term - which is Adams defended Preston because he knew that one of the main purposes of the Government is to prevent vigilante justice.

And if the government doesn't do it proactively, by preventing or righting the wrongs, it will do it reactively by preventing the vigilantes - for awhile. Then it will all fall apart in total collapse.

It's pretty easy to put the "you are here" arrow on that timeline.

 

[demicolon]

I know that it's New York, but how does the account know it was liberals who put those posters up?

It has to be liberals, nothing else explains the fucking Great Wall of Text China.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

You've missed the middle term - which is Adams defended Preston because he knew that one of the main purposes of the Government is to prevent vigilante justice.

And if the government doesn't do it proactively, by preventing or righting the wrongs, it will do it reactively by preventing the vigilantes - for awhile. Then it will all fall apart in total collapse.

It's pretty easy to put the "you are here" arrow on that timeline.

I do not disagree with you here. However, I point to what comes after the "you are here," which is leftists taking advantage of the situation to hunt down people who reposted the wrong thing on Twitter.

 

[I Hate The Disabled]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/hope-walz-joe-rogan-fans-red-flag-dating-litmus-test-tim-walz/

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She's giving me some femcel vibes. It's like she's making up excuses as to why no guy would put his dick in her.

 

[Conan]

Did we ask Australia for troops, or did they just send them, because they were part of the "coalition"?

Anyone else find it odd that Australia sent more troop support than Israel, considering that the war is in their own backyard, for their own interests?

I guess we're just gonna ignore all that missile tech Israel sold the Chinese during the Clinton years, too.

Truly, our "Greatest Ally".

I like how his only rebuttal against criticism is "y-you're a heccin antisemite, CHUD!" like the reddit incarnate spaz he is.

He still has refused to answer why Israel, being self sufficient and advanced in technology, still requires my tax dollars.

I don't expect him to answer this but I am expecting another sperg out. draggs might be our new Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

 

[George Lucas]

Ben keeps digging the hole and the commenters keep going at him.

Who is this guy? He sounds autistic.