OpenMW never crashes, and has Lua mods that MWSE doesn't have like Dynamic Actors , Animated Flight or Mercy
I don't consider what amounts to one crash in 10+ hours of gameplay an issue and I've seen OpenMW crash on live streams. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesnt mean it never happens.
The worth is the mods that MWSE has that OpenMW can't have because they're just built different. No Ashfall, no Ultimate Fishing, no Poison Crafting, etc.
Why the fuck would I want to do that? Morrowind is a game with a lot of precise elements and phone controls suck balls. Even if I connect a wireless controller to my phone that's still a compromise for a game that really needs a keyboard and mouse interface and I should know because I remember the experience of playing Morrowind on the original Xbox. It sucked.
I've never had OpenMW crash, and it's actually a common experience. It's a pretty much a fact OpenMW will never crash as much as MWSE.
OpenMW can run the mass majority of mods Morrowind has, like 95% of them, and MWSE doesn't have some of the mods OpenMW Lua has. This is just pushing the goalpost because you're making a trade off of what mods you can't run regardless of what you choose.
I mean... the mass majority of mods that add content and expanding of play don't even use MWSE and run on OpenMW. This doesn't even make any sense. There are survival mods for OpenMW lua like Basic Needs. I think you might just not be up to date with how far OpenMW's lua scripting capabilities have come.
Basic Needs is like baby's first Ashfall. It's Skyrim Survival Mode compared to Frostfall, and even then it lacking since Skyrim Survival mode at least has some form of temperature mechanics.
I think you might just be overestimating OpenMW because MWSE requires a bit of work and know-how to run.
Your point was that OpenMW doesn't have any survival mods, and that wasn't true. MWSE Lua isn't even as stable as OpenMW lua and crashes way more. And there is the fact that OpenMW lua can run plenty of mods that MWSE has no equivalent.
I mean, that's not true either. Modlist are largely automated these days. You can even download complete MWSE Morrowind builds without even setting anything up because of MO2. Also, I don't see how OpenMW being more simplier to run, than MWSE hacks, is a disadvantage. One of the points of software is to be simple.
What I meant was that it doesnt have good survival mods. Basic needs is garbage compared to Ashfall, and OpenMW has nothing of that caliber.
Who gives a shit since....
so having an excessive mod cap is pointless
It's dumbed down for simpletons who can't handle actually modifying a video game and want everything to be one click easy.
"Good" is not a great modifier here considering that's pretty subjective. Many people prefer simpler mods because they don't have compatibility issues and don't require patches.
This point doesn't make any sense because OpenMW has mods Vanilla MWSE can not run. I could use the same argument in reverse.
And you could say the same about certain MWSE mods too. I don't think every Morrowind player is going to install Ashfall or Ultimate Fishing.
It's not pointless because it shows that its possible to mod OpenMW more than Vanilla because of how much more stable it is.
I don't even think it's fair to say that. I doubt the average person using MWSE could make their own lua mods, or compile OpenMW from source. People who play Morrowind are not coders. It's nothing to act elite about.
Again, this isn't really something to have elitism over. A lot of people are older now, and don't have the time to tinker with stuff like that. Hell, do I most things from the terminal, but I don't knock people who want things to be easy and mess with a GUI.
I would say Ashfall is objectively better than Basic Needs. You can use the the Mod Config menu and change it's setting to be simple if that's what you want but it also has the ability to be complex and comes with more functionality.
To their own detriment, these mods are truly amazing and I feel bad for people who can't play with them.
You keep accusing me of elitism but that's all I see from the OpenMW crowd. All I'm doing is pushing back a bit against the consistent "OpenMW is just better and MWSE should die" discourse I see on the matter. Too many people would gladly throw some of the best mods Morrowind has in the trash out of a desire for convenience and simplicity.
I know, I'm one of them.
You should stop caring about what other people do with their modlists you sperg.
The openmw "crowd"? What the fuck are you even talking about? You are completely insane, nobody was arguing about what to use before you started sperging about MWSE for no reason.
Calm down, you're taking this way too seriously.
Because ultimately it is unnecessary if you want a simpler mod. I don't think complexity necessarily makes a mod great because it increases the likely hood of bugs and incompatibility.
You called OpenMW users noobs, and I never insulted MWSE users. I don't think it's fair to ignore or shit on OpenMW when it has serious advantages over MWSE.
That's a big IF and I still say versatility is objectively better in this scenario. Why have something that can only do one thing if you can have a different thing that can do both better?
Ashfall adds more compatibility than it does incompatibility. Perhaps feature rich is a better descriptor than complex.
Indeed, because...
...of statements like this. The one sided assertions that OpenMW has advantages and not even the consideration that MWSE has its own advantages. I've been happy to concede that OpenMW has stuff going for it, for example it's simpler and easier to use for people who can't handle MWSE or don't want to. Yet all I see in Morrowind modding discourse these days (and that's not just here on KF) is people glazing OpenMW without any acknowledgement of the benefits and advantages MWSE has over it in turn. I don't think its fair to pretend that MWSE isn't equally viable at the very least.
You don't know what you are even arguing about, you just saw that OpenMW changed a thing and are using that as a win because you dislike OpenMW. In Morrowind and now OpenMW, the hit is calculated once the player or enemy releases the attack after holding it, when the swing animation starts. Before, OpenMW used to calculate the hit in the middle of the swing animation when the weapon physically connected, but that is not accurate behavior and it got changed to match vanilla, since OpenMW is supposed to replicate vanilla. There is no mechanic where hit is calculated when the swing is charged, you can test and compare this for yourself but it would require downloading OpenMW so you probably wont
Accidentally modding Snow Whales into the game is pretty jokes
Yes.
To be fair I was watching a live stream and the guy playing OpenMW described the change as "now attacks hit on wind up" so I blame him for not explaining it accurately and wash my hands of this whole debate.
It sometimes crashes for me, but that just might be something with my mod setup. And it’s not as if I’m not used to Bethesda games crashing to begin with.
They're basically official mods. They're pretty low quality, one part being because none of them have unique dialogue, so quests will generally be awkwardly stitched together via a series of conveniently detailed notes.
