🥝 Community Kiwi Space Station 13 Server (2024 edition) - Space Station 13

[xXEddie.DurellXx]

At this point do I just release everything I got?

There's enough questions already that I want to know the truth to, but I still have no idea if it's all enough. At this point I'm just sick of clogging up this thread with it so maybe I could just do one last post on the shit I've been looking into and call it there. Idk what I'd do after that, prob hop in the kiwi station and have some fun.

Just share your textures you have made or ideas you have so the can be discussed and looked at

 

[HahaYes]

Just share your textures you have made or ideas you have so the can be discussed and looked at

I believe he was referring to this ss14 stuff rather than spriting

 

[LOWERCASE LETTERS]

Dude it seems like you have more than enough material to make a dedicated thread in the prospering grounds for a Community Watch thread.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I'm going to be real, I thought the House Server was an actual meme LMAO. Good to know it's absolutely true if you put enough Aurorans in a server it will inevitably lead to embarrassing ERP

Polaris never had a dedcated ERP server to my mind but VORE did split from Polaris lmao.
Aurora is really meta-cliquey. Really hard to have fun when everyone ignores you, and you can't antag. Also someone I knew got banned for "seducing" someone as a vampire lmao because that's ERP.

Ya that sounds about right. I know Bay has a nerfing cycle before they all left but after it go really bad, core features like the AI role were completely removed for the dumbest reasons and other insane changes like you can't close inflatable doors on yourself making engineering completely unplayable. I really wish Nebula13 took off I really enjoy baycode in some forms and I know a lot of the Nebula coders are pretty chill and helpful.

Mistake (when I talked to him) said that he intended Nebula to be modular and more of a repository for building new codebases off of. Which leads to this XKCD joke:

"Bay is dead" is kinda of an (now un)ironic joke for the longest time. The playstyle is different from the other codebases and it's really not beginner friendly (especially brainmed + no cloning). The playerbase is kinda like Aurora.
That being said, I was an engineering main so I would dissapear like a ghost until I was needed being one of the "hyper competent" engineers doing something insane like a TEG from scratch.

Spoiler: Bay sperging

Bay has a special place in my heart because I played through the Luna, /tg/ rebase, Exodus, and Torch codebases. You would have times of bordeom allowing for testing ideas and relative creativity mixed with complete shit hitting the fan other rounds. It's hard to catch lighting in a bottle though and Exodus was probably the end of that era (I recall a few sparks in the early days of Torch). The thing is, you have to be willing to kill off a character permanently (and often imho) in order to have fun in "HRP". Too many people get waaay to invested and then sperg out when they don't "win". Oh and meta cliques.

Bay could've (it is too far gone now) been and was fun when admins weren't Floyding the playerbase literal neck. The funniest thing I've experienced was over several rounds, starting from a extended round with lowpop ending in a wholesale revolution one round.

The major split that sent bay down the path to irrelvance was the Polaris split in 2014. Then followed by the the 2020 dev exodus via Nebula (the cracks had been forming since 2018 - earlier tbh)

Story time:

A Fleet crewman got some civvies with them and took the exploration shuttle on a joyride while the ship was moving, so the ship had to burn fuel to get back and find them (If mins were on he would've been perma'd). The Senior Enlisted was some female R Lee Ermey imitation (See: What side was that Private Pyle?) and was NJPing him to do pushups (which he couldn't because he was a lardass icly) but the XO told them to knock it off since they gave them like several thousand pushups to do. In response, they got a civvie out there, bribed them with credits to STFU, then disabled the cameras. They then got said civvie to lockershove and repeatedly whip the poor enlisted with a set of cable cuffs.

Now like a few IRL weeks (months?) later, same enlisted is now a relatively competent person, SEA still jackass. Round was rev and he was a head rev, so he rallied all the disgruntled EC enlisted against the officers because of the SEA and they took the command staff hostage and were going to become pirates as revenge.

I was playing a Fleet Bridge officer who had had not been nabbed so I rallied the majority of Fleet enlisted and engineering and to break into to the armory, cut the engines off manually, busted out the CO (a DEI hire female coward, it is important later) from the brig, and then led basically an infantry charge to the medbay doors since the CO ran off to fortify medbay like a retard. Ended up headchopping the revs, but the SEA got murdered as collateral damage and got court marshalled over that lmao for not bothering to save them.

A few rounds later same CO is faced with Mercs (most of sec is dead), wants to surrender like the little bitch they are, so I rallied the enlisted as a Bridge officer again and led basically Pickett's charge. CO shows up because they got shamed into it, and then SHOT ME after the truce because they were jealous and didn't want me to get promoted. Remainder of crew turned on them and they negotiated to join the mercs after lynching the CO. Got sent off with full o7 funeral service.

I played a brother of that officer who was incompetent as fuck briefly after that and a lot of the other chars would give me shit for being a failure. Matter of fact I recall getting murdered by a IC "friend" of the dead guy because I was a complete disgrace to his legacy lmao.

None of this would be possible with the current badmins on bay.

Edit: Bonus reddit wondering why bay is dead.

By is alot more complex than TG or goon so it's tough getting into it.

It's an HRP server which alot of people dont like especially because of military powertripping rp where you get brigged for "disrespecting an officer" and not knowing the culture of the server.

They used to have very toxic staff and just like yog they never got rid of that rep even though they changed and purged the bad ones.

That said bay isnt dead and does still have a playerbase which gets on at least once a week if I recall.

as for other bay forks Deadspace13 technically isnt fully dead but they switched to TG in their v2 thing. then there's the group behind lobotomycorp13, scp13 and I think a few others but the one time I tried scp13 I got really put off by the severe shitsec. I think alot of the fallout and web likes forked from bay but I havent gotten into that part of the community.

There's also CM but I dont consider them close enough to bay anymore to count.

Dude it seems like you have more than enough material to make a dedicated thread in the prospering grounds for a Community Watch thread.

There was someone who used to DDOS servers because they were upset their fursona wasn't accepted.

 

[Dank Muskeg]

Y'know if you guys really want I could try and make a SS13/14 thread like you said documenting the absolute state of the modern games. With the amount of shit we've talked about in this thread over just a few days It'd be a way to sorta show how fucked everything has gotten.

Just gotta get a clever thread title though.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Y'know if you guys really want I could try and make a SS13/14 thread like you said documenting the absolute state of the modern games. With the amount of shit we've talked about in this thread over just a few days It'd be a way to sorta show how fucked everything has gotten.

Just gotta get a clever thread title though.

I think it should be more of a "community watch" submission thread. There's too much lore* for most people to go through to write up everything and too many servers but in general:
1) Playerbase is lolcow autism (Noah Gold Fox, Android Data, the troon retard on the kf server)
2) Muh pedo allegations and gayops.
3) Furfag retardation (NGF has a thread on here)
4) ERP shenanigangs
5) Insane admins/hosts (Yithani, MSO come to mind)
6) Insane devs (Like the one you mentioned, also stuff like stealing code bases and the AGPL/GPL slapfight)
7) lolsuits (/tg/ vs CM and some Russian servers MSO sued).

*For example: I could write a whole thread on bay alone (2010-2022). Lifeweb as well, same for the fallout servers (whose coders were split from bay). That's not including shit like the RU CSAM gayops on CEV Eris.

 

[enaR]

I think we finally hit a critical mass of interest in a CW thread; I just got another DM about it today. I have no idea how the fuck we're going to get a good OP though. DM me about it if interested and I'll add you to the convo.

Just gotta get a clever thread title though.

"Space Station 13 and Its Successors" to leave it open enough and futureproof. Remember there's also stuff like Unitystation, the 3D one, Space Station 14 alternatives, and so on with their own drama.

 

[Dank Muskeg]

I think it should be more of a "community watch" submission thread. There's too much lore* for most people to go through to write up everything and too many servers but in general:
1) Playerbase is lolcow autism (Noah Gold Fox, Android Data, the troon retard on the kf server)
2) Muh pedo allegations and gayops.
3) Furfag retardation (NGF has a thread on here)
4) ERP shenanigangs
5) Insane admins/hosts (Yithani, MSO come to mind)
6) Insane devs (Like the one you mentioned, also stuff like stealing code bases and the AGPL/GPL slapfight)
7) lolsuits (/tg/ vs CM and some Russian servers MSO sued).

*For example: I could write a whole thread on bay alone (2010-2022). Lifeweb as well, same for the fallout servers (whose coders were split from bay). That's not including shit like the RU CSAM gayops on CEV Eris.

I guess what I should aim for is to give a generalized viewover of the most common problems like you listed with a specific example for each of them, then people can list the best of the worst. Since I'm not experienced on the 13 side of things that much idk if we could figure something out. As long as there are furfags and completely fucking insane people, we have content.

By the way, I just remembered I completely forgot to post the actual Debug meltdown I've mentioned several times...

I'll compile it all in another post very soon with actual dates and shit with my personal experiences watching it unfold live. The super-document I want to make is still in the works, but I can't hold the actual meltdown from you guys any longer, it was promised in my very first post about Debug and you all deserve to see it.

I think we finally hit a critical mass of interest in a CW thread; I just got another DM about it today. I have no idea how the fuck we're going to get a good OP though. DM me about it if interested and I'll add you to the convo.


"Space Station 13 and Its Successors" to leave it open enough and futureproof. Remember there's also stuff like Unitystation, the 3D one, Space Station 14 alternatives, and so on with their own drama.

That could work, though summing up about 16 years or so of drama is uh... gonna take a bit of an effort to say the least. I'm sure we can figure something out for that, though. Maybe a timeline? Chart of events? I dunno, but it would show the full timeline from the very first to now, and the decline over time.

It would be a fucking MASSIVE OP if we did it like that, but it's down to all of you what we should do.

 

[geckogoy]

Might be smarter to do just a dedicated ss14 thread as it appears there is much to be said about that alone, also I agree one is merited at this point

 

[Google.com]

Might be smarter to do just a dedicated ss14 thread as it appears there is much to be said about that alone, also I agree one is merited at this point

Theres too much overlap you might as well just do both in one. Every ss14 dev was also an SS13 dev at some point.

 

[Dank Muskeg]

Might be smarter to do just a dedicated ss14 thread as it appears there is much to be said about that alone, also I agree one is merited at this point

The main reason I even posted here at all is because I was so shocked that nobody seemed to even know what happened to Debug. I heard from a staff member they had died, but it doesn't seem like it was ever announced what happened to them. You'd think the death of a community member would at least get a memorial post, right? And if they're really dying, why wipe their social accounts? The more I looked into it the more I just kept getting suspicious.

There's only so much I can restate this stuff, but this is byond fucked up if it's true.

laugh

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

Holy shit a SS13 thread. To this day I still think about scenarios that happened on servers 10 years ago and laugh involuntarily. What the hell is all this autistic drama?

Chaos and utter insanity is what makes this game so unique compared to a ton of other similar "social" games. At any one time, you can see the most absurd shit you've ever seen in a video game and then see something even more absurd five minutes later.

This sums up the game perfectly in two sentences. I was trying to explain SS13 to someone the other day.

Why is this game now a cesspit of degeneracy? Is that the case on every server or just these troon and furry servers?

I'd like to give it a go again if the community is active, but I'd rather not if everywhere is like that post.

 

[geckogoy]

I'd like to give it a go again if the community is active

last saturday we peaked at 21 people a couple hours after the scheduled start time so still in business assuming you dont mind that we aren't a 24/7 server

(its hosted 24/7 its just not active 24/7 as that is often a point of confusion)

 

[Dank Muskeg]

Holy shit a SS13 thread. To this day I still think about scenarios that happened on servers 10 years ago and laugh involuntarily. What the hell is all this autistic drama?


This sums up the game perfectly in two sentences. I was trying to explain SS13 to someone the other day.

Why is this game now a cesspit of degeneracy? Is that the case on every server or just these troon and furry servers?

I'd like to give it a go again if the community is active, but I'd rather not if everywhere is like that post.

I'm a fairly young dude, so SS13 was past my time as much as that can make sense for SS13. One of my friends introduced me to 14 so as a younger me I figured I could find somewhere to possibly belong. I was pretty much just looking for anything to get through the days, so I hopped in. Enjoyed it and went to start contributing, and that's when I started to discover the dramatic side of things. The contributor culture is ultimately what put me off of playing any more (plus gym & therapy) due to how the higherups have a constant stick lodged in their anus. Fuck, look at the github conversations about 41% of the time, it's a complete sewer. Honestly, I'm probably biased just because of how fucking irritating Debug was, but there is some sort of active hostility towards people actually making shit. There's no knowing if your work will even be accepted until you've already drawn and coded everything, and by that point if it gets denied, you're just fucked. There is zero fucking communication amongst the staff and that leads to people getting extremely frustrated.

Speaking of frustrated, a contributor of music just had theirs pulled due to the recent drama. Isn't it amazing how something that can't possibly be dramatized, music, gets pulled because the idea of associating their music with wizden isn't palatable to them anymore?

Spoiler: Removal Reason

This stupid faggot unironically is questioning why they'd remove their name from the project. Gee, was it after the umpteenth pedophile, or the genuine mental decay of the project leaders, or perhaps even the fact that they are near constantly trooning out? It's difficult to say you're open source when you do everything you can to fuck over anyone that actually wants to do their own stuff. When you control who gets to have players while hosting your own servers, that's no longer moderation, it's conflict of interest. I'm probably just sperg rage posting this shit but the difference of culture over the years is not even comparable anymore. It's just a different culture of stuck up coder faggots as opposed to the relative respect there used to be. This

There's more people, but the instability has grown CONSIDERABLY.

Somebody please tell this nigga to go neck himself my patience is running out.

So yeah, it seems my foresight to jump ship turned out to be a good decision, considering all of the absolute hell that went down not long after I stopped playing. Your mileage may vary, but I'm more disillusioned after my own experiences over the years. As for SS13? It really depends, I don't know enough to tell you more. For 14, avoid any server ran by anyone associated or friendy to wizden whatsoever like the plague. You've seen the consequences throughout this thread and with the recent stuff, choose carefully.

If you really want to know why I personally avoid SS14 and wizden specifically, ask yourself why they keep losing staff at such a concerning rate.

And for what reason? Why are they forced to keep burning through them?

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

Are the devs of SS13 the same as the devs of SS14? Or is SS14 more like a fan remake? This is confusing.

I mainly just want to know if servers exist without troons, pedos, and furries, in either game. I could care less about getting autistically involved with a community. I probably would just play like how I did back in the day: be bored, join a server, try not to die, shenanigans, leave. I didn’t have elaborate characters. I played as a janitor and kept letting people slip for laughs, or as a botanist and fed people “free snacks” aka hot peppers.

last saturday we peaked at 21 people a couple hours after the scheduled start time so still in business assuming you dont mind that we aren't a 24/7 server

(its hosted 24/7 its just not active 24/7 as that is often a point of confusion)

Okay I will try to join in. Gotta install it. I don’t remember how to play at all.

How did you guys find out about this game? I only knew about it because someone I was dating at the time introduced me, but I’m wondering how people found it organically.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

ask yourself why they keep losing staff at such a concerning rate.

And for what reason? Why are they forced to keep burning through them?

I think actually uh, the staff turnover isn't insanely high.
I think BestRP/Unbound Travels, Apollo (?) and Paradise cycled through even more staff at a faster rate aside from the hosts and a fewer higher ups.
UT 1st host Pixelsshadow lasted a year (or six months?), Jamie lasted a year, Yithani 2 months?
Purlek (BestRP) lasted 3-5 years but he didn't give a fuck and was making money (like 5k/mo) and threw all the fire extinguishing to Emmanuel Bassil (who fucked off and joined the Lebanese army or something).
Edit:
Now that I remember, Aurora first host/headmin Chaznoodles (also now LGBT and the captain in this spoilered comic) lasted ~10 months, new headmin mrimatool then lasted 4 months (Fsphere hosted for a few, went to a shadow something), host/dev/headmin Skull lasted until today (10 years).

Spoiler: NSFW

@The Bogwater Rises remember Alberyk ? He was the reason Sue could do whatever they wanted.

Are the devs of SS13 the same as the devs of SS14? Or is SS14 more like a fan remake? This is confusing.

It's complicated. They cross-contribute to specific codebases but generally 14 devs are ex-13 devs of specific servers (particularly /tg/ and citadel) . 14 is a remake of 13 in C# with it's own engine.
Then again 13 devs vary wildly from relatively normal Nebula and Goon devs to off the wall troon devs on ERP servers (Looking at you, fallout and VORE downstreams) and /tg/.
Gecko's server code has +NIGGER so all the troons committed seppuku or are too scared to say so.

 

[Dank Muskeg]

I think actually uh, the staff turnover isn't insanely high.
I think BestRP/Unbound Travels, Apollo (?) and Paradise cycled through even more staff at a faster rate aside from the hosts and a fewer higher ups.
UT 1st host Pixelsshadow lasted a year (or six months?), Jamie lasted a year, Yithani 2 months?
Purlek (BestRP) lasted 3-5 years but he didn't give a fuck and was making money (like 5k/mo) and threw all the fire extinguishing to Emmanuel Bassil (who fucked off and joined the Lebanese army or something).
Edit:
Now that I remember, Aurora first host/headmin Chaznoodles (also now LGBT and the captain in this spoilered comic) lasted ~10 months, new headmin mrimatool then lasted 4 months (Fsphere hosted for a few, went to a shadow something), host/dev/headmin Skull lasted until today (10 years).

Spoiler: NSFW

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@The Bogwater Rises remember Alberyk ? He was the reason Sue could do whatever they wanted.

It's complicated. They cross-contribute to specific codebases but generally 14 devs are ex-13 devs of specific servers (particularly /tg/ and citadel) . 14 is a remake of 13 in C# with it's own engine.
Then again 13 devs vary wildly from relatively normal Nebula and Goon devs to off the wall troon devs on ERP servers (Looking at you, fallout and VORE downstreams) and /tg/.
Gecko's server code has +NIGGER so all the troons committed seppuku or are too scared to say so.

I myself was more talking about wizden, I don’t know much about 13.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

I myself was more talking about wizden, I don’t know much about 13.

Yeah it's not particularly high compared to the SS14/wizden. Matter of fact it's pretty low. See above examples.

 

["Controlled Demolition"]

I think we finally hit a critical mass of interest in a CW thread; I just got another DM about it today. I have no idea how the fuck we're going to get a good OP though. DM me about it if interested and I'll add you to the convo.


"Space Station 13 and Its Successors" to leave it open enough and futureproof. Remember there's also stuff like Unitystation, the 3D one, Space Station 14 alternatives, and so on with their own drama.

Add me in, coach, I might be able to help with very old /tg/station. I even still carry some IRC logs from back around 2011ish. Though maybe that's ancient history, where even ERPing at all was taboo and people actually played the game. Should the thread be about both SS13 and SS14 drama? SS14 alone already has enough pseudocide to compile a whole thread alone.

This sums up the game perfectly in two sentences. I was trying to explain SS13 to someone the other day.

Why is this game now a cesspit of degeneracy? Is that the case on every server or just these troon and furry servers?

I'd like to give it a go again if the community is active, but I'd rather not if everywhere is like that post.

It's because that quote, about "chaos and insanity", is enemy #1 of The Troon. They don't want chaos, they want comfy and hugging. Anything that makes them #uncomf gets very quickly outlawed. You see this on all the servers, and it's not just trannies causing it all. They want a perpetually calm lifesim with all their female character e-friends. Like someone said, it's a comfortable way to "transition" without actually doing so in real life. They're treating SS13 as VRChat, not as Mafia or Werewolf or even a video game.

 

[Stephen Rothman]

Either they left all of their discord servers completely, and turned off friend requests, or the account is disabled.
Interestingly, the account wasn't deleted outright, which would've wiped their entire message history and made finding pretty much anything relating to their existing messages MUCH harder to pin down. There's also the really really strange possibility that it's deactivated and gonna get deleted, but who knows, I already got what I needed.

To touch on this: Deleting your account through the UI will make you look like you're offline for a bit, maybe about a month or so, after which you show up as "Deleted user #<number>". This does not delete any of your messages, and searching through them on servers is still possible. In other words, his account's still there for whatever reason. Removing all friends and servers sure is a lot more effort than hitting "Delete" in settings.
He obviously can't rejoin servers without looking active, but even readding people to friends risks others seeing they have friends in common if someone was to check. If I had to guess, this is either to keep his old messages and friends' account names saved, or he believes in reincarnation.