Home Buying / Housing Market Griefing Thread - You're going to rent until you die.

Alright I'm officially looking for a house and I need y'all to tell me if I've overlooked something.
I am a veteran and qualify for a VA home loan guarantee. The TL;DR is this gives me 3 particular advantages:
  1. I don't require a down payment
  2. Interest rates are largely locked in around 6% regardless of what down payment I do make
  3. There is no prepayment penalty for a mortgage.
I was preapproved for a $300k home loan with a rough monthly payment over 50% of my current income. My plan is find something a little under the $300k and get another job and make monthly payments at double the minimum. This should theoretically turn a 30 year loan term into a 15 year and greatly reduce the amount I end up paying on interest. But, have I missed anything? This is my first time buying property.
 
But, have I missed anything?
look into your local state/county for any grant programs you might be eligible to apply for (unless you're in NY paperwork is a nightmare)
property tax/funding fee exemptions based on va rating + state
other va programs in general, (you might reconsider in 5 years if you're still working double time to pay that mortgage and at your wit's end)
try to find a veteran agent that isn't a piece of shit

other than that, be mindful of the usual shit: HOAs, local water reports, eating maintenance costs for shit like roofing (make friends with your local mexicans), etc
get a 3rd party inspector for all the other blindspots, good luck nigga
 
have I missed anything?
VA inspection requirements. That'll cause delays or force you to pass on a home that is exactly what you want. If you're smart you'll look for some pristine condition home built in the 70s being sold by an older person that lived there since it was built. HVAC, electrical, and crawl spaces will be your problem points. Seen a few nice homes get rejected over one or two outlets.
 
Alright I'm officially looking for a house and I need y'all to tell me if I've overlooked something.
I am a veteran and qualify for a VA home loan guarantee. The TL;DR is this gives me 3 particular advantages:
  1. I don't require a down payment
  2. Interest rates are largely locked in around 6% regardless of what down payment I do make
  3. There is no prepayment penalty for a mortgage.
I was preapproved for a $300k home loan with a rough monthly payment over 50% of my current income. My plan is find something a little under the $300k and get another job and make monthly payments at double the minimum. This should theoretically turn a 30 year loan term into a 15 year and greatly reduce the amount I end up paying on interest. But, have I missed anything? This is my first time buying property.
I bought a house in October with a VA loan and a 780 credit score and I got 5.5% and right after I closed it went down to 5.125%. I went with Navy Federal though so YMMV depending on what bank you use. I had to overbid a little bit because I wanted them to pay closing costs and the VA appraiser worked with me and raised the appraisal value to the amount I payed them.

But yeah, just check if you can get a lower rate than 6% since they did just go down a little bit ago.
 
But, have I missed anything? This is my first time buying property.
Your plan sounds good to me, but here's a thing to do.

Double-pay your mortgage is good - but don't send the second payment to the bank. Send it to a separate bank account (or somewhere you can get 3-5% like a Fidelity account holding SPRXX) - right now that's paying 5% so you're only "losing" about 1% or so.

The key is this - you can always pay down your mortgage later, but it's hard to get cash back out, and you will need more cash than you think.

If you end up not needing it, in a year or two you can make a large payment to the loan, or refinance, or whatever.

This is the kicker - no matter how much you prepay the mortgage, it doesn't affect your cashflow until you refinance or finish paying off the loan. And cashflow management is important.

You can mock all this up in spreadsheets to see the actual dollar amounts and timelines. Very few people actually pay off their mortgage (they usually refinance or sell and buy another place).

Also talk to your local VA office, there may be other local programs that you can take advantage of - the best are the ones that give you a nut against your down payment and then if you don't move for X years, forgive the value.
 
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I posted here a few years ago because I was really pessimistic that I'd never be able to even afford a down payment for a house but I actually just bought one earlier this year. I really lucked out because I was renting the place and the landlady just texted me one day like "hey you've been a good tenant and I can't really get out to maintain the place anymore, do you want to buy it from me?" and offered me the place for 10k under market value. Idunno why I'm saying all this, I guess I just wanted to give people who've been following this thread a long time an update on how it's going.
 
I posted here a few years ago because I was really pessimistic that I'd never be able to even afford a down payment for a house but I actually just bought one earlier this year. I really lucked out because I was renting the place and the landlady just texted me one day like "hey you've been a good tenant and I can't really get out to maintain the place anymore, do you want to buy it from me?" and offered me the place for 10k under market value. Idunno why I'm saying all this, I guess I just wanted to give people who've been following this thread a long time an update on how it's going.
I'm happy for you! It does kind of seem like the only way to get a house these days is not through things like realtor or Zillow.
 
Update: I closed on the house and started painting the walls. No issues with the water heater, no mold issues, and the HVAC works just fine. I was told by the plumbing company I paid for a sewer inspection I need to pay like 7k for a sewage lining repair but I have no clue if they are just trying to swindle the shit out of me. Buying a house is genuinely the best choice I’ve ever made in my life. Only costs me 800 a month including escrow, insurance, and mortgage. It’s a Christmas miracle! 🎄
 
I found a bunch of anecdotes, published earlier this year, about people (mostly women) sharing their experiences buying a home. Sharing some of the interesting ones I found.


Woman and her husband left New York City to buy a house in Montana, then bought another house in Washington:

We are able to buy our house in Montana for a very simple reason: we moved from a place with expensive rent and high cost of living (NYC) to a place with lower cost of living (but kept our New York City salaries). When we moved from New York to Missoula, Montana in 2017, we had a joint savings of around $20,000. We spent $10,000 of that on a car when we arrived, and rented a small house for $1500 a month — $400 less than our small Brooklyn apartment. Over the next year and a half, our combined salary (at BuzzFeed News and the New York Times) was around $250,000. We were able to save about $2000 a month, even with my $1200 a month student loan payment. When a house came on the market in our neighborhood for $405,000, we had $50,000 in savings (and around $5000 that we kept around for our 'oh shit' fund). We made an offer at $415,000. I believe our mortgage rate was around 3 or 3.5%, and we had to pay mortgage insurance because our down payment was so low. Our house payment was $2200. We didn't receive direct assistance with our down payment from our parents, but I recognize all the ways in which familial wealth made it possible for us to have less debt (all of it "good," aka student loans) and good credit going into the purchase.

The short version of a pretty complicated story is that 2019/2020 were wild years, in which 1) I was paid $250,000 (after taxes + agent fee) for selling my book and 2) we felt increasingly drawn to live near close friends + political changes in Montana amidst Covid particularly to due with public health, masking, regulations in doctor's offices, etc. My best friend had bought a beautiful place on the island for around $500k and I set a Zillow alert just to see what was available. When our 2 bedroom 2 bath ~1600 square foot house came on the market in August 2020 for $667,000 we were able to put all of that book advance towards the down payment, and because interest rates were so low, our mortgage payment was still just around $2500. I could've put the advance towards my student loans (all previous advances had been put towards them) but the student loan pause meant I was able to think about trying to take advantage of the historically low rates (I believe the rate is 1.5%). Book advances are so weird and irrational, and my previous books sold for FAR, FAR less (15k and 65k) and I'll probably never, ever sell a book for that much again. I think of this house as the house that burnout bought, and I often feel ambivalent about the sacrifices and psychological toll of working the way I/we did in order to get to a place where I could write about it (and then sell a book about it). It's a weird thing!

As an aside, real estate here on the island has gone up like everywhere else over the last 10 years (and especially over the last 3 years) but it's still an island with one restaurant and one general store, so the market is far more limited (and much cheaper than, say, the rest of the San Juan Islands, or anything with a view on the mainland). Most people I know who browse the real estate are pretty blown away.

Another insane story:

My wife and I (both cis white women) bought a co-op apartment in Brooklyn in 2021 for $850,000. At the time, I was working as a book editor making I think around $80k, and she was working as a public defender making around $100k. She has student loans, but is on an income-driven plan (seeking PSLF), and they were on pause because of the pandemic. Our only other major expense at the time was daycare for our toddler. We put down $200,000 as a down payment, which was a gift from my parents. They have this amount of money because they're both retired doctors in a low COL area. They were in "low paying" specialties (infectious disease and geriatrics) but were probably making between $300-$400k when they retired. They also have four (yes, four) pensions. The biggest is a military pension, which comes to more than $100k/year--my dad was career Army and from a military family, and the Army paid for his schooling etc. as well. (Socialism works!) So I'm not at all worried about their financial wellbeing, which is an enormous relief.

We got a very low interest rate (and had no problems getting it)--I think it's like 2.8%?--and pay about $3600 a month--$2600 to the mortgage and $1000 to the building maintenance (which includes property taxes.) I did stay at a toxic job in part to have a steady W2 job to get the mortgage (but also for a lot of other complicated psychological reasons!) I'm now freelance and a little terrified every day that I have this huge financial responsibility, but know that if I needed a parental bailout, I could probably get one--I just have a lot of possibly misplaced pride around asking.

tl;dr is I can't imagine how anyone does it without significant family help or a tremendously high salary.

It helps to marry a man with a trust fund:

I would not be a home owner without my husband. Full stop. I met my husband in my mid-30s. At the time (2014) I was living in a studio apartment, working full time making $50k a year in Southern Maine, with a crushing student loan debt amount of close to $50k. I fully financed my education, my parents didn't have the money, but they made just enough for me to not qualify for many grants. I never thought I would own a home. My husband has a trust fund and when we married, took out cash to pay off my loans. I moved into his condo (financed by his trust fund), cut my housing costs in half, and without my student loan payments, I had a lot more disposable money (still making $50k). We decided to buy a house together using the equity in the condo he purchased. We bought the house first and sold the condo second, so we used a bridge loan on the trust account for the 20% down payment for a $400k house ($80k) using a traditional mortgage. We paid off the bridge loan once the condo sold and we rolled the excess profit (another $20k, $100k total profit) into the house we bought. Our housing cost $2500 (mortgage and utilities) per month. By the time we sold that house this year, we made close to $350k in profit (thanks to the bananas market), and my salary increased to $150k. My husband is a freelancer, so while we have the trust fund as a cushion, we use my 9-5 job and benefits for mortgage documents. We bought a $600k house this year at a higher interest rate, but put down $300k from the profit of our last house. Our housing costs are roughly increased by $300 a month. I am living how wealth is built and retained and it blows my mind.

Just be a doctor and marry another doctor:

We bought our house (1.6 million) for 200k under asking in the late fall of 2020/early winter 2021 with historically low interest rates and also slow moving inventory in our real estate market. The developers had hugely overpriced the house and rejected some cash offers, and then really needed to sell it to continue with the remainder of the project so accepted our lowball offer. We were able to do so for four very specific reasons:

1. We are both doctors and worked huge amounts of overtime during the COVID surges which gave us extra $$ with no way to spend it

2. As physicians and I am a first time home owner, we only had to put down 10% (so we have a primary mortgage for 80% and a second mortgage for 10%)

3. My husband had a condo with his ex wife that his family gave them 20k for a down payment for 16 years ago. That condo has since appreciated significantly and his ex bought us out, which gave us about 100k for down payment.

4. The 2.5% fixed interest rate means we can afford the monthly payment, and we had been paying high rent already so the switch felt reasonable.

Overall, we are extremely privileged to have high paying jobs, to have made extra money during COVID (despite the stress and heartbreak of the pandemic), and to have a built in investment from a prior property. I come from no money. My fathers family does not have generational wealth but his father is very successful professionally (Lawyer) and gave them the down payment as a wedding present. We also were just lucky to be buying when we did.

Other helpful factors

1. No credit card debt - we had strategically paid off all of this from our years of training and making less money

2. No car debt - we drive a 10 year old subaru that was paid off 5 years ago

3. No student loan debt - we both participated in loan forgiveness and had just had our loans forgiven ~2 years prior

Took this guy's mom killing herself to afford a house:

It was the inheritance and the life insurance payout after my mom died by suicide. That's the only way we were able to afford a down payment after deactivating from grad school (me) and burning out from teaching (my wife). I don't know that we would have been able to do it otherwise, which led to some complicated feelings at first, but eventually faded into the background after 12 years of paying the mortgage. As soon as we entered the place, it reminded me of the best house we ever lived in with Mom, so it seemed like she must have approved.

Who knew it'd be so easy to get a loan!?:

I think about this all the time because we've been able to buy when most of our friends haven't. We bought a house in 2018 in our city. What allowed this in our 20's - 1) the house cost $110K, a fixer upper in a working class neighborhood thus 2) my husband and I both come from fixer-upper, DIY families, we've been comfortable doing repairs that we never could have paid for (or paid our friends, who are contractors) 3) through a combination of family $$ and scholarships, we had low monthly student loan payments, and a low car payment, so low debt-to-income ratio 4) the interest rate was 4%!!!! 5) we didn't have money from family for the down payment but we knew we could ask for it if we had an emergency, so we were less worried about not having a safety net 6) we both had the executive function and job flexibility to navigate complicated (shady?) systems. Our monthly mortgage was like $850, even with PMI since we put almost no money down.

We sold the house in 2023 for 175K when we left our city to move back to our much more expensive hometown. With the $70k we made from the house we paid off our student loans and still have some $$ for a down payment. Now we are under contract for our next house, which we are able to buy because we have this money and because we've been living with my dad since July - paying market rate rent, but we don't have a lease or first/last month rent and all that. We can keep living with my dad while we fix some things in the house. This time we are buying a house for $400k at 6% interest with 10% down - we still have PMI. My hometown is a tourist town - we were outbid on 5 houses by all-cash offers. I think we only got this house because we made an offer December 20th and the seller seemed to care about actually selling it to people, not investors.

In terms of bias, I've been struck by just how much of the underwriting/qualifying for a mortgage feels like - vibes? We are a white, heterosexual, married couple. We don't have a lot of wealth (even family $$) and we both have nontraditional incomes that seem like they shouldn't qualify as stable income when I google "how to get a mortgage." But we met with loan officers and really leaned into our "professional" presentation and the officers were like - well, seems fine! Which has worked out for us, but I can really see how bias comes into the picture of a housing search.

Buying a home is easy when your parents cover the down payment of a multi-unit building and you pay the mortgage using rent from low-income tenants at the same property:

- Purchased in Oakland, CA, in 2021. Bought a duplex with one tenant already residing there; 2-unit 2-bedroom/1-bath.

- House listed at $650k, bought for $645k at 2.75% with FHA loan.

- Was able to buy in the Bay for same listing price (rare) in a pretty hot real estate market (common) because it's a duplex and because of the location - we definitely gentrified the neighborhood by income/race/family wealth.

- Important part! we would NEVER have been able to purchase a home without $60k from my parents; 50% of that was inheritance from my grandfather (worked in finance in London) that my parents had held onto for me for ~15 years and 50% was gift from my parents from their own for-profit careers. Those funds, plus maybe $5k? from us that seriously wiped our month-to-month savings from our non-profit jobs in the Bay Area, let us put down 3% down payment for FHA loan.

- We could only pay the $3800 mortgage (PITI plus FHA insurance for less than 20% down payment) because of the $2100 in rental income from the tenant, leaving us responsible for $1700/month. Previously we'd paid $2500/month for 2 br/2ba apartment.

- Combined income for us was about $165k at the time for 3-person family - because tenant was already in the unit, we could use that as income, too, which counted as about $25k additional/yr. Mortgage was around 28%? of income.

- Refinanced same year out of FHA loan into 3% interest rate 30-yr fixed; current mortgage is $4100 with no PMI (goes up every year for local taxes). Same rental income amount. We refinanced so that we wouldn't have PMI and also so eventually we could rent out this unit, too, and maybe live internationally (wiiiiild privilege).

- Current income is $260k with rental income included for 4-person family (we both got new jobs with raises and added a kid). Mortgage is now about 20%? of income.

- Bought with my spouse, I'm white and they are not, I am one of only white people on our block and am the gentrifying race for sure on our street. We for sure notice that I get treated differently and our family gets treated/spoken to differently than other neighbors with lots of visitors, guests, and general traffic, even those with small kids like us ("You've really cleaned up the neighborhood;" "Thank you for being such a quiet and nice family;" other coded stuff like that). I always went on house showings and when we refinanced, I was home for the appraisal because of data indicating that POC appraisals come in way lower JUST because of race (so messed up).

- Preapproval was a breeze; spouse worked for city government and with lots of people who had purchased property and advised us on how to buy "best long-term investment property" - recommended duplex and FHA loan and gave us mortgage broker contact.

- At the time, we made car payments ($235/mo), daycare ($1650/month), student loans (on COVID pause but $700/month previously), private student loans ($200/month). No medical costs because we had great medical coverage from jobs, no credit card debt or installment debt.

- **important added note**: I also fumble through this kind of explanation when I can, and will try to do so here: our rental unit is covered through Section 8. This means that MOST of the rental income ($1600 or so) is guaranteed to us and directly deposited into our bank accounts by the local housing authority, regardless of whether or not our tenant is able to keep up with rent, because of the lease agreement stating that we house the tenant as a low-income resident of the city. This adds an extra colonialization/gentrification/capitalization mind-f*ck to the situation, because not only could we afford to buy this place because of family wealth we had nothing to do with, but we bought a MULTI-unit home that we're now profiting off of in a city with a housing crisis. And, if you look at this way (which I do, honestly), exploiting a fellow citizen of their money rather than providing a rent-to-own kind of set-up. Plus we want to live internationally for a while and would rent out the unit we live in to do that! So we can both work for human rights causes and commit to working for non-profits and not raising the rent of the Section 8 home and improving the condition of the unit because it's the right thing to do, but when it comes down to it, we're still making money off of another human's right to live somewhere.

We bought a house in 2012, we're still climbing the housing latter! It was all just luck!

My husband and I bought our first house in Denver in 2012. We were 25 and 26. We used an FHA loan for first time home buyers that enabled us to put 3% down, and the house cost $283k. Mortgage rates were low then too, I don't remember how what percentage. That house gained ~$140k in a few years, and selling it enabled us to buy a more expensive house in Seattle a few years later. We've been riding the market ever since, with the sale of each house enabling us to buy the next (more expensive, because of the market) house. I do think we got really lucky with timing. Buying that first house enabled everything since.

Woman's father-in-law covered the entire down payment for a large house in a very competitive market. She couldn't deal with handling the paperwork and later realized her husband is a "useless" homeowner because he grew up in a family that preferred to outsource work:

We bought our house in Raleigh, NC, in 2021 at the largesse of my in-laws, who generously gave my husband the down payment and helped us pay the moving expenses.

The market: Super hot and hard to break into. Lots of people were moving here from out of state (MA, NY, CA), lured by the easy cost of living and the kinds of jobs where they could work from home with their out-of-state salary. Demand vastly outpaced inventory. A house would go on the market in the morning and be under contract by noon. Buyers were offering asking price and over, paying cash (!!!) and putting down 10,000 or 20,000 or more in due diligence and foregoing inspections. Open houses were mob scenes. THAT was the real estate hellscape in which we got our house.

Our situation: The lease was ending on the house we had been renting for the last three years, with zero chance to renew. I would've been fine renting another home, except that the rental market was even tighter.

We don't have lucrative jobs. My husband has an extremely specialized job that requires him to work on site. A few years before, when our kids were young, he got accepted to trade school in PA, so we left our jobs and moved for his career shift. I fell into the trap of being the primary parent while he was in school/training, and my career stalled and hasn't recovered.

I'm a freelance writer and editor. My husband's new career, while fulfilling to him, does not pay well and has us anchored here. Our combined income, when we bought our house, was a pitiful $80,000.

The plot twist: My in-laws are retired physicians who have done very well for themselves and have always helped out my husband financially. My FIL has a lot of influence on my husband, who in turn takes his father's advice—no matter how impractical and outdated—as gospel truth, and he lives in fear of disappointing his father. In this case, FIL dangled the carrot of a substantial down payment while playing on his son's insecurities. "You need a tax shelter! Renting is throwing away money!" Wealthy retired boomer talk.

Given his lifetime of financial assistance, my husband has pretty good credit—college paid for, no car payment, and he uses his parent's credit card for unexpected expenses. My parents are solidly blue collar, lower middle class, not college educated. My credit is so-so enough to be a detriment, so only my husband prequalified, and any home loan would be in his name only. I still carry shame in knowing that my income and credit history wasn't good enough to help us buy a home.

While the loan would be my husband's name, it fell on me (because I work from home) to do 95% of the legwork of buying a home: All the paperwork rigamarole and calls and emails with the lender, underwriter, insurance, closing attorney, our realtor, etc. I also ended up having the awkward conversations with my FIL about the gift money: exactly how much we needed, how to do the wire transfer, etc. It's really hard to be strictly transactional when talking about so much money with family.

The house: We were lucky to have an extremely patient and savvy realtor. The house we bought is a 4 BR, 2.5 BA, in a respectable neighborhood with good schools. This house hit the market at 9 am on a Tuesday, and my realtor and I had 15 minutes to see it inside and out while my husband was at work -- he didn't see it until we were under contract! We offered the asking price of $495,000 and $10,000 in due diligence, with some other concessions. My FIL groused that we offered the asking price and didn't counter. We locked in an interest rate under 3%, and I don't think we had any PMI.

Of course, buying a home is one of the most stressful things you can ever do...doing it with someone else's money adds a whole other dimension of tension. We are incredibly lucky to have found this home in an impossible housing market. But it was ONLY possible because of my husband's generational wealth, and it feels like we've cheated the system.

The reality of living in a home we couldn't afford to buy on our own is that we are perpetually house-poor. On paper, it looks like we can afford the mortgage, but in reality, we are barely getting by. Houses are not self-sustaining! In this sense, houses are a scam. As I write this, I'm looking at a $1,000 quote to remove a tree that's listing towards the house, $1,200 to replace the badly warped front door, $500-700 for way-overdue pressure washing and gutter cleaning, $500 to re-seed the front yard...and $7,000 for a new furnace. Cosmetic "wish list" things like replacing the dining room carpet with hardwood or re-doing a bathroom or buying new bedroom furniture are out of the question right now.

Having generational wealth and growing up seeing his parent's disposable income has stunted my husband's confidence as a homeowner. He isn't very handy and his DIY skills are self-taught. Growing up, his father didn't do anything around the house beyond mowing the yard. His parents outsourced EVERYTHING, even going so far as to hire a handyman to install simple shelving and hang pictures! They never had to take out a HELOC or second mortgage to, say, renovate their basement or build a new deck; they just paid outright for the work. It's been a learning experience encouraging my husband be self-sufficient and take actual ownership of maintenance issues, and accept that the way his parents did things is the exception and not the norm.

I don't want to have to ask my in-laws for financial help every time we face a repair or issue that could otherwise bankrupt us. Our house is a blessing...and a constant reminder of how little we have, how hard it is to save, and that we could not and cannot do it on our own, without generational wealth.

Woman never thought she and her fiancé would own a home in the Bay Area until mommy, daddy, and even her own brother came to the rescue:

My fiancé and I purchased our first home in May so this has been top of mind for awhile. While we both make six figures, there is no way we could have done this in the Bay Area without family help from my dad, my mom, and his brother (we can afford the mortgage (6.3%) and property tax but needed help with the down payment). We are both White, college-educated, able-bodied, full of privileges which undoubtedly helped as well. Additionally, we qualified for a $25K interest free loan from Hebrew Free Loan (an incredible organization) which alleviated a lot of stress around moving, buying appliances, closing costs, etc. Both of us use our families’ old cars (mine is 22 years old) so we don’t have car payments. I didn’t have student loans; my fiancé’s was in his mother’s name which just got eliminated due to her Parkinson’s Diagnosis. We both completely admit our privilege and recognize how generational wealth, race, etc have helped us in so many ways.

Woman is blessed she and her husband can live a happy 1%-er life in SF:

We live on the Peninsula (SF Bay Area) and simply put, we would not have been able to buy without tech money. We bought in 2021 for about $1.6 million (for 1450 sf) and an interest rate of less than 2.5% and a standard 30-year term, which made it possible to have a mortgage payment of $4400ish. Pre-approval was ok, but mainly because of my husband's stable job; I had transitioned to a reduced schedule/hourly rate with my firm because of the dumpster fire of trying to manage childcare during COVID and it would have complicated things so they just put me down as a homemaker and didn't even consider my income (I was mildly annoyed at this). The real estate market was always lively but the available inventory of single family homes in our area is SO low there are always people able to pay cash; we lucked out because our kids went to the neighborhood school and we were able to play on the sympathies of the seller couple (the wife was a teacher). Our down payment was $450,000, which took us about 8 years to amass. (We have since done a remodel which was painfully expensive but hopefully we will be in this house for close to forever.) For sure our race (white and Asian) played in our favor, or at least was not a negative factor; redlining has been a historic problem in our city.

My husband has worked for Alphabet/Google adjacent for about 10 years and I am a lawyer (worked at small law firms before striking out on my own a few years ago, just months after we bought) but his salary, bonus, stock, etc. has always outstripped mine, especially after we had kids and to this day. When I started out as a lawyer in 2011, we were jointly making about $275k a year and it grew from there. We are a year apart in our mid/late 30s, have been together since college. We moved in together and married the year I graduated from law school; he had paid off his small amount of student loans from the public university we both attended and immediately got to work to aggressively pay down my $90k of student debt, which we wiped out in just over 2 years, mostly with the money he had earned while I was in law school (yes, I know I bagged a good one). During this time we were pretty frugal but still had money for vacations; we did not get a car until it was absolutely necessary and to this day we are a 1-car family.

We looked for a home seriously for 4 years. During that time we lived in a comparatively cheap 2 br duplex paying about $2200 (leveraging a relationship with a kind former client who was moving out of town and offered to put in a good word for us). We did not have overt family help, but everyone was financially stable (my immigrant parents and my older sister and my in-laws all owned their homes due to extremely good timing) and there were luckily no health or financial emergencies that took us off course.

We are for sure in the 1%. I know most people don't feel like they ever have *enough* but I know we are so fortunate to have what we need and some left over. We live in a neighborhood where people look out for each other and feel connected to the community, and I am a strong advocate for the infrastructure and housing units we need to build so that more people can live here.

Sensing a pattern here:

Husband and I purchased a townhouse on the north side of Chicago in April 2021, about 2,000 square feet for $520,000. A confluence of circumstances allowed us to do this, namely a sizable inheritance windfall and lowlowlow interest rates (3.25%). Neither of us have student loan or credit card debt, and we both come from Families of Means and never worry the financial bottom might fall out

My parents' house is on 5 acres, and they let me build on part of that acreage, so I had the land to use as down payment/collateral on the home loan. And they lent me money to use for up-front costs that I then rolled into my loan payment.

I paid $431,000 for a 650 square foot condo in a major city in 2019 (I was in my mid twenties at the time of purchase). The market where I live is always hot. I put down $200,000. $100,000 was a gift from my parents, another $100,000 came from a trust I inherited when I was 13 years old. One of my parents worked in finance, and knew how to invest that trust strategically. I pay about $800 a month for the mortgage and another $350 in HOA fees. My annual salary is $75,000. I genuinely don't know what my mortage rate is, I know its somewhere around 3%? I refinanced in late 2020 when rates were even lower.

Make sure you go to the right school so you can make the right connections who'll tell you which companies will skyrocket:

My partner and I were able to buy a house in San Francisco in 2014 because he was lucky enough to start working at a mid-size tech company in 2010. He selected that job (lower salary than he could have gotten elsewhere) specifically because his connections in the industry predicted that the company would successfully go public in the next few years, that he would be able to push for more stock options because the salary was lower than his market value, and the company was still small enough that his stock payout was likely to be significant.

The money we got from the IPO made any savings ($10-20K for him, $2-3K for me) or debt (car loan for him, about $50K in student loans for me) completely irrelevant. The house we ended up buying was around the corner from where we'd been renting for ~10 years. We put down $350K & got a $1.05M loan, putting our mortgage at around $5K/month plus $250 HOA fees. We've refinanced a couple of times since then so now it's closer to $3500/month though our HOA fees (especially insurance) have gone up. I work for a non-profit and make pretty good money considering, but could never EVER afford the mortgage + other bills on my own. My partner continues to work in tech making many times what I do and his salary & stock income honestly makes my income pretty irrelevant.

Honestly it is so easy to just say "Seriously we freaking won the lottery, we are soooo lucky," which is not untrue, but I have thought a lot about what it takes to even get *into* that lottery, ie....

* My partner came from a middle class, college-educated family (mom was a teacher, dad was a professor) with only "good" debt (ie mortgage & car payments), so they were able to save & invest enough to pay for his college, & to give him the preparation & opportunities it takes to get into a top college. (Like yes obviously he worked very hard but so do a lot of people who end up with very different outcomes.)

* Going to said top college is primarily valuable because of the connections it lets you make with classmates and alums. There are many colleges where he would not have made the connections that tipped him off about which companies to consider when he was looking for something new.

* My partner had a relative who kind of mentored him from a young age to be interested in science and engineering, and talked to him a good bit about considering money/income when thinking about your long-term career plans. (No one EVER did this for me! It was just "do what you love, things'll work out!" Oh if only.)

* While I came from a poor working class family with no college education and lots of "bad" debt, my parents did have a bit of a safety net via my grandparents, which meant that I was able to get student loans in my own name because my grandmother co-signed for my loans and that's a huge privilege. So yes, while I graduated with plenty of debt, I got the opportunities that come from going to a prestigious undergrad and then a top school for grad school, which is what initially put me in the orbit of the partner I ended up with.

Just be "lucky" and "privileged":

I was a single woman in my late twenties when I bought my two bedroom/two bathroom apartment in Brooklyn eleven years ago for $780k, with a sub 3% mortgage and 20% down. At the time, I had been working at a large law firm for about five years. The only reason I could afford it was because I was making a large law firm salary and working ridiculous hours (and therefore unable to spend any of the money I was making). Plus my law firm sent me to a foreign country for a year and paid my housing costs and gave me a COL bump. They also paid for taxis around the city for that year because they were supposed to provide me with a car. All of this allowed me to pay off my student loans, which were minimal because I had a scholarship for undergrad and used money my parents saved for college to pay for part of law school. On top of this, I was renting the apartment when the owners decided to sell, so they sold it to me without market competition for sub-market value. As you can see, this is a long winded way of saying I was only able to buy in NYC because I was lucky and privileged.
 
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I was told by the plumbing company I paid for a sewer inspection I need to pay like 7k for a sewage lining repair but I have no clue if they are just trying to swindle the shit out of me.
They should have given you a video of the line inspection. If they didn’t, find someone who will (preferably an inspector or line cleaner who doesn’t do replacement).

Either way, find the lowest point and imagine what would happen if the sewer were to back up. If it’s a floor drain in an unfinished basement just make sure storage is off the ground.

If the lowest point is a shower in a finished basement you may want to proactively get the line repaired.

Or punt it all and get the “sewer line” addendum on your home insurance.

$7k for a reline sounds reasonable but make sure you check where it is going relative to your water line as a reline could burst that depending on how they do it.

Congratulations on the house! They’re hell but they’re worth it. Save $100-200 a month in a special separate account somewhere for maintenance. Doesn’t hurt much and you’ll thank me later 😊

As to the post above, holy shit so many people get $house in student loans, and then are surprised pikachu that trying to get another $house in loans for a house is hard.

Fucking student loans.
 
I've talked about it before but for you new home owners you need to be aware of some stuff. This is fresh as of right now information and just general stuff.

1. Make sure the roof is in good condition, certify how old it actually is. Why is this important? Because insurance companies are being assholes very recently. They only want to insure new construction. A 10 year old roof with some discoloration from a low res satellite photo is enough for companies to deny you. I have seen even 10 year old metal roofs get this treatment because of the age alone. Independent Inspectors saying it's got years left on it and is in good shape absolutely won't matter to them.

You need home insurance to get financing. If you're in this situation and you do find someone willing to sign you, it's not over yet. At a random time they will send an inspector out, this could also fuck you over and cause them to say "Get a new roof or we're dropping you". My advice, if the roof is in genuinely good shape and is just a little dirty (house in a wooded area for example), and you're running into this, get the seller to pay for a roof cleaning. Preferably as early as possible as it takes time for it to wash away in rains.

They care about the age. That number is enough for them to not want to cover you. It doesn't matter where you are. This is a consequence of massive roof claims from across the country. It's now affecting everyone. It can absolutely sink you, it is incredibly dangerous as most people are putting basically their entire savings down and then some insurance fuckery is ruining them. I have heard for vets that USAA doesn't fuck with you about this sort of stuff.

2. If the Township you're buying in requires their own home inspection you need to get on the seller to do that asap. Townships often have their own requirements and older homes often are never updated to fit them because well they didn't need to, they already got their certificate of occupancy ages ago. Now it's being sold and it will need to be. Sellers can absolutely delay scheduling this in an effort to push it to after closing and make you fix everything the township requires. A lot of townships aren't really that anal or even require anything, but some do and are jerks. Good to talk to your agent about.

3. Onx hunt is a good app to view property lines. It's absolutely worth the $2 and change a month even when house browsing.
 
regrid is a free property app. paid version displays the owner of the property
I swear I looked for an app like this and everything was paid only. So it seems you can only view 10 properties before at least making an account. It's definitely better for real estate. For viewing property lines owner etc Onx is definitely much cheaper however it's not going to give you deeper real estate info like this one aims to. Though on our property it seems to be way off in terms of information I'm seeing. I also had to manually find it as the address wasn't coming up at all. Ymmv
 
yeah it's not the best. I prefer landglide but it's 100 a year I think. it's pretty accurate and has all the information I need
 
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