Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

Does it truly count as "current year" if it takes place in the 2000s?
Honestly, I do wonder if the show would be more compelling if it took place in the 10’s, considering how many magical girl fans had to deal with troonery and race relations. Then again, the 2000’s and early 10’s were the last time we didn’t have marxists successfully dismantling society as we know it, so that could also work.
 
Kids would love chunks of the actual minerals, just buy some of those.
Being a rockhound, one thing I can tell you is no matter how much you spend or how cool your collection is, there's always a 7 year old somewhere with a better collection than yours. This is true everywhere, from gem shows to fairs to actual retail stores.
I think a bunch of teenage girls fighting demons while occasionally taking potshots at Current Year would be fun to watch
I've got a magical girl idea too!
Mine is basically that joke about white people all being 1/16th Native American, except this time it's 16 girls all having the blood of a long lost magic native tribe. They have to fight beasts and risk turning into wendigoes, I call it the Wendigirls! I've got a bunch of worldbuilding on my PC that I can't access right this second.

SO who or how do we start this DM chain thing? I don't have experience ERPing so someone's gotta fill me in
 
Being a rockhound, one thing I can tell you is no matter how much you spend or how cool your collection is, there's always a 7 year old somewhere with a better collection than yours. This is true everywhere, from gem shows to fairs to actual retail stores
We still have our collection when we would do gem mining in the Appalachian mountains on vacation. It's a great thing to get kids into, you get then a nice little guide book and they can spend hours learning how to identify them.
 
I've got a magical girl idea too!
Mine is basically that joke about white people all being 1/16th Native American, except this time it's 16 girls all having the blood of a long lost magic native tribe. They have to fight beasts and risk turning into wendigoes, I call it the Wendigirls! I've got a bunch of worldbuilding on my PC that I can't access right this second.
See, Native American woo draws more eyes and there's some neat folklore from all these tribes. If you already have worldbuilding worked out, it's easier to build upon and helps guide others into fleshing it out. Should be neat.

The biggest issue is that it's a big cast, so you'll have to figure out how to give them the proper screentime without compromising their characteristics. It's not impossible to do, though.
 
The biggest issue is that it's a big cast, so you'll have to figure out how to give them the proper screentime without compromising their characteristics. It's not impossible to do, though.
They don’t all have to show up at the same time, after all! Sailor Moon took its sweet time rolling out all those planets

Maybe it could even go like a running joke… “oh jeez, you’re one too?!”
 
Sorry for derailing the KF animation studio plans, but I've had a shower thought regarding the industry recently:

Why don't they take a decent (by decent, I do mean being able to hold on its own and possibly with as little wokeshit as possible) webcomic and adapt it instead of making the same choppy beanmouth shit over and over again? There are many niche webcomics that have so much potential to shine and Lackadaisy has had an animated adaptation some time ago, so why not doing something similar?
 
Sorry for derailing the KF animation studio plans, but I've had a shower thought regarding the industry recently:

Why don't they take a decent (by decent, I do mean being able to hold on its own and possibly with as little wokeshit as possible) webcomic and adapt it instead of making the same choppy beanmouth shit over and over again? There are many niche webcomics that have so much potential to shine and Lackadaisy has had an animated adaptation some time ago, so why not doing something similar?
No one, esp financial backers in Hollywood, don’t give a shit about artistic passion or really anything that’s not based off of IP or pre-existing properties.

If you are stupidly ambitious coupled with skill, that could probably happen, but that has its own problems, obviously.
 
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Sorry for derailing the KF animation studio plans, but I've had a shower thought regarding the industry recently:

Why don't they take a decent (by decent, I do mean being able to hold on its own and possibly with as little wokeshit as possible) webcomic and adapt it instead of making the same choppy beanmouth shit over and over again? There are many niche webcomics that have so much potential to shine and Lackadaisy has had an animated adaptation some time ago, so why not doing something similar?

After raising a huge nugget of cash through crowd funding Lackadaisy probably knows well enough what it’s worth that its creators won’t settle for an unfavorable contract. Moreover the pilot suggests that they want full, lush Don Bluth style animation, and that could be more than anyone was willing to pay them.

It’s probably been a more attractive prospect to astroturf a home grown, studio owned property into a hit and keep the largest portion of the profits. But we all see now that the system can’t seem to do it anymore. It’s interesting that we’re seeing things like Hazbin Hotel and the Amazing Digital Circus on the big streamers. I guess they were able to give them the deal they wanted.
 
Why don't they take a decent (by decent, I do mean being able to hold on its own and possibly with as little wokeshit as possible) webcomic and adapt it instead of making the same choppy beanmouth shit over and over again?
Because nepotism strokes egos, and every single nepotist wants to tell their own story even though it's nothing but qweer shit. Unless the webcomic is qweer af, they're not interested, and even then, it's likely the webcomic artist isn't willing to make compromises, or they're delusional enough to want an actual Japanese studio working on it.
 
No idea who you're asking, but I'll bite.

I love my magical girls, I eat that shit up when I can. Thing is, though, every magical girl show showcased in this thread are failures for being rip-offs of other famous magical girl shows, are shit parodies because that's all they want to be, and in the off-chance they do want to be straight-forward, they're just checking off diversity boxes, and I find that insulting. Just do a fucking magical girl show is all I'm asking, how is that so hard?

The thing that would make my magical girls stand out is that I like magical witches and wish they'd be implemented more. Also, the characters are religious in some way that's non-negotiable, and in one series, it's literal powers of heaven being granted to the girls to fight evil and the main lead has a crucifix broach on her bodice. This alone would assure it's never greenlit unless I take it to those shitty Christian knock-off Korean studios, and even then, many Christians would see it as blasphemous/sacrilege/heresy/whatever they'd say. Same goes for the other even though it's about a married Christian couple who accidentally gain magical powers and they have to keep their double lives a secret because they don't want to be labeled as heretics, though the wife designs her transformed self to be angelic in appearance and actions to try to mitigate that.

However, I'll have to stop being lazy and finish my ideas so I can publish them before any of them can be allowed to be picked up/shipped around for an adaptation so I can maintain rights and be a creative consultant (so as to stop headcanons from happening). I don't care if I'm involved in any other way, I would honestly be a shitty director and/or producer of any kind.
Not the same, but you might like Chrono Crusade
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You're a loose canon, Rosette.
 
Being a rockhound, one thing I can tell you is no matter how much you spend or how cool your collection is, there's always a 7 year old somewhere with a better collection than yours. This is true everywhere, from gem shows to fairs to actual retail stores.

I've got a magical girl idea too!
Mine is basically that joke about white people all being 1/16th Native American, except this time it's 16 girls all having the blood of a long lost magic native tribe. They have to fight beasts and risk turning into wendigoes, I call it the Wendigirls! I've got a bunch of worldbuilding on my PC that I can't access right this second.

SO who or how do we start this DM chain thing? I don't have experience ERPing so someone's gotta fill me in
Wendigirls concept art needed??
 
See, Native American woo draws more eyes and there's some neat folklore from all these tribes. If you already have worldbuilding worked out, it's easier to build upon and helps guide others into fleshing it out. Should be neat.
The worldbuilding I'd been working on is based loosely on the Wechuge and the lore of the Athabaskan/Beaver peoples. Inspired by an ancient hero named Saya, boys coming of age would venture into the wilderness, enter a dreamlike state, speak to a medicine animal, and receive supernatural powers as well as taboos that if they willingly broke, would turn them into wechuge. The video that got me down this trail to start with is really informative and I'll link it (about 21 minutes in is where that info starts) but that kind of process of "accept powers that have restrictions, consequences come from violating the restrictions" so easily applies itself to superpowers/magical girls. It's like the soul gem thing from Madoka.

This was the premise I'd written down first, before expanding on the story-specific lore:
A school takes a camping field trip and sees a recent archaeological find of an old native american settlement, and when 16 of the kids on the trip enter the tribal grounds (because they're 1/16th native each) it awakens an ancient seal and releases evil spirits that threaten the class. The girls are then called out in the middle of the night to the medicine man's tent where he explains they're descendants of the tribe and have magic powers that they can use to fight the evil spirits if they accept it. They do and become the Wendigirls, a group of magical girls with spirit animal powers that fight wendigos and other spirit monsters to keep the world safe.
More accurately they'd be Wechugirls and fight Wechuge, but I just think Wendigo sounds better. Plus, I don't want to 1:1 reference a real native tribe because it's not a documentary and it could be libel, so it'd have to be a made-up tribe in the show anyway.

The idea in-show is that the tribe used their supernatural powers and respected the spirits, but as westward expansion pushed them out and killed their elders, they forgot the proper ways to respect the spirits and took their gifts for granted, which made the spirit world angry. Evil spirits were sent to attack the tribe, and as a last-ditch effort to protect the tribe and everyone around, the medicine man of the main village trapped everything in a sort of liminal space between Earth and the spirit realm so long as nobody from the tribe ever tried to return to the village. Then of course the girls make up 1 native american of that tribe, who is now in the village, so all the spirits are unleashed (as well as the medicine man who would function as a kind of master and guide for the girls.)
The biggest issue is that it's a big cast, so you'll have to figure out how to give them the proper screentime without compromising their characteristics. It's not impossible to do, though.
They don’t all have to show up at the same time, after all! Sailor Moon took its sweet time rolling out all those planets

Maybe it could even go like a running joke… “oh jeez, you’re one too?!”
It is a big cast, but they don't all need to be together 100% of the time. For big events, sure, but for an average episode they can function with one character as the main focus or in small groups. They're classmates, so they'll still be present and see one another around, but you can focus on individuals and small clusters for storytelling purposes.
Wendigirls concept art needed??
Yeah it is lmao
It's difficult coming up with what they'd look like, 'cause there are a lot of influences and considerations. You want them to look native, but not ridiculous like Monster High's Isi Dawndancer:
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And you want "Magical Girl," but it's such a uniquely American story with the indigenous people and the 1/16th thing so you still want American clothing sensibilities, so nothing overly poofy and Lolita-fashion-y. I love these outfits from Lolirock, they're more subdued than typical full-ass magical girl outfit designs and they've got a good amount of coverage for teenage girls I think:
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And after all that you still want it to look cool and marketable AND have not just 3-5 but 16 unique outfits that reflect each girl's personality/spirit animal/whatever but also tie her in as part of the bigger tribe. It's a balancing act, and one that I haven't had much motivation to start since it's only ever been in my head until now.
 
And you want "Magical Girl," but it's such a uniquely American story with the indigenous people and the 1/16th thing so you still want American clothing sensibilities, so nothing overly poofy and Lolita-fashion-y. I love these outfits from Lolirock, they're more subdued than typical full-ass magical girl outfit designs and they've got a good amount of coverage for teenage girls I think:
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And after all that you still want it to look cool and marketable AND have not just 3-5 but 16 unique outfits that reflect each girl's personality/spirit animal/whatever but also tie her in as part of the bigger tribe. It's a balancing act, and one that I haven't had much motivation to start since it's only ever been in my head until now.
Here's some art I found that's also pretty cool:
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This is the artist's Navajo design, but she has some other neat ones, too.
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Look out, boys, she's going for the border!
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Also Lavi/Ravi Himuro from Magia Record has a design that's a little controversial. It's cute, but it's also kind of a weird mashup and it doesn't make sense for her to have a boomerang or a doppel that's based on Aztec art.
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What kind of show or movie are you looking to make?
Whatever the fuck we can, probably. I myself have plenty of anime-type plotlines in mind, some magical girl stuff (which I see we're already interested in), some more general action-fantasy type stuff plus some gay shit but I won't expect you guys to deal with that. There's also that Rugrats TNG thing that literally came to me in a dream a while back. I'd imagine we'd want to start with something either short or something anthology-like that's easy to just throw shit into, so it's lower pressure while we get shit set up.
Why don't they take a decent (by decent, I do mean being able to hold on its own and possibly with as little wokeshit as possible) webcomic
They're too busy writing wokeshit that's why
Could one of you perhaps draw up some of the character ideas you had in mind?
How about AI art? Anyone here good at prooompting?
 
How about AI art? Anyone here good at prooompting?
In this case, relying on AI art would only further prove KiwiFarms' inherit inability to draw. It also means you've basically surrendered to the left's gatekeeping of any and all art & animation techniques from anyone and everyone they hate.
 
They have to fight beasts and risk turning into wendigoes, I call it the Wendigirls! I've got a bunch of worldbuilding on my PC that I can't access right this second.
"risk turning into wendigos"
What, do they WANT to eat people? Last I checked wendigos are like evil fucking emaciated looking cannibal people in the actual folklore that initially gave into the desperate urge of hunger during a famine, and not like the general "big deer monster man" that somehow every native american folklore evil person has been redefined as in the last few decades for some reason.
 
How about AI art? Anyone here good at prooompting?
In this case, relying on AI art would only further prove KiwiFarms' inherit inability to draw.
What if I openly admit I can't draw for shit?
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This actually took 50 iterations with inpainting + 1000 hours in photoshop.
Here's what you get if you just do "Native American magical girl"
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Which is not all what I wanted, so I started with an image-to-image AI from this creative commons photo of a Navajo girl.
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Then went section by section to make sure it kept the pieces and colors I wanted.
Here's how it started:
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In this case, relying on AI art would only further prove KiwiFarms' inherit inability to draw. It also means you've basically surrendered to the left's gatekeeping of any and all art & animation techniques from anyone and everyone they hate.
I don’t know about AI for realizing the character designs in the first place (though using it for refining them makes some sense)
I think the real value of AI would be for tweening, so as to allow for 2D hand drawn anime style animation, but I don’t think the tech is quite there yet
 
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