Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers

[GhastlyGhost]

I've checked the site as I was curious as to what the success rate was. As of the time of this post, Stop Killing Games is the second most successful initiative:
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For comparison, the first most successful initiative has more than twice as many votes and is about guaranteeing safe abortions. And the third most successful wants to ban the slaughter of animals for food, period.
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If you check the initiatives that have received an answer by the EU, almost all of them are about environmentalism or animal rights (and it's not like the EU fully solved their issues either):
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The initiatives need to get outrageously lucky and defend environmentalism or social justice to even have a chance. Ross is fighting an uphill battle he's unlikely to win by choosing this site to defend vidya.

Yuropoors are freaks. Gotcha.

 

[The Tall Man]

Yuropoors are freaks. Gotcha.

It shows you that leftoids lobby and rightoids don't.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I've checked the site as I was curious as to what the success rate was. As of the time of this post, Stop Killing Games is the second most successful initiative:
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For comparison, the first most successful initiative has more than twice as many votes and is about guaranteeing safe abortions. And the third most successful wants to ban the slaughter of animals for food, period.
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If you check the initiatives that have received an answer by the EU, almost all of them are about environmentalism or animal rights (and it's not like the EU fully solved their issues either):
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The initiatives need to get outrageously lucky and defend environmentalism or social justice to even have a chance. Ross is fighting an uphill battle he's unlikely to win by choosing this site to defend vidya.

Ross should have called the campaign STOP ABORTING VIDEO GAMES. Would probably got more clicks and coverage.

It shows you that leftoids lobby and rightoids don't.

Lobbying to the EU as a right winger just lets them know what to keep on doing.

 

[Bruno Powroznik]

britbong government just responded

Spoiler: Text

There are no plans to amend UK consumer law on disabling video games. Those selling games must comply with existing requirements in consumer law and we will continue to monitor this issue.
The Government recognises concerns raised by video games users regarding the operability of purchased products. As the lead department for video games, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) regularly engages industry representatives and monitors how consumers interact with games. We work with the Department for Business and Trade (DBT) as the lead department for consumer protection more generally.
We are aware of issues relating to the life-span of digital content, including video games, and we appreciate the concerns of players of some games that have been discontinued. We have no plans to amend existing consumer law on digital obsolescence, but we will monitor this issue and consider the relevant work of the Competition and Market Authority (CMA) on consumer rights and consumer detriment.
Video games sellers must comply with existing consumer law – this includes the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA) and Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (CPRs). We have provided details of relevant protections below. However, there is no requirement in UK law for software companies to support older versions of their products. Decision-making is for those companies, taking account of commercial and regulatory factors and complying with existing consumer law. There may be occasions where companies make decisions based on the high running costs of maintaining older servers for games with declining user bases.
The CRA gives consumers important rights when they make a contract with a trader for the supply of digital content, requiring it to be of satisfactory quality, fit for a particular purpose and as described by the seller. It may be difficult and expensive for businesses to maintain support for old software, particularly if it needs to interact with new technologies. However, if software is offered for sale that is not supported by the provider, then this should be made clear, for example on product webpages and physical packaging.
If digital content does not meet these quality rights, the consumer is entitled to a repair or replacement or, if not possible, some money back up to 100% of the cost of the digital content. These rights apply to intangible digital content like a PC game, as well as tangible content like a physical copy of a game. The CRA has a limit of up to six years after a breach of contract during which a consumer can take legal action.
A trader or third party can upgrade and improve the features of digital content so long as it continues to match any description given by the trader and conforms with any pre-contract information provided by the trader, unless varied by express agreement.
In addition, the CRA requires that the terms and conditions applied by a trader to a product they sell must not be unfair and must be prominent and transparent. If not, they may also be challenged and the question of fairness is a matter for the courts. Terms found to be unfair are not binding on the consumer.
The CPRs require information to consumers to be clear and correct and prohibit commercial practices which through false information or misleading omissions cause the average consumer to make a different choice. As such, the regulations prohibit commercial practices which omit or hide information which the average consumer needs to make an informed choice, and prohibits traders from providing material information in an unclear, unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely manner. If consumers are led to believe that a game will remain playable indefinitely for certain systems, despite the end of physical support, the CPRs may require that the game remains technically feasible (for example, available offline) to play under those circumstances.
The CPRs are enforced by Trading Standards and the CMA. If consumers believe that there has been a breach of these regulations, they should report it to the Citizens Advice helpline (or Advice Direct Scotland for those living in Scotland) which is a free service advising on rights and how to take their case forward. The helplines will refer complaints to Trading Standards and CMA where appropriate. Consumers can also pursue private redress through the courts where a trader has provided misleading information on a product.
The CPRs section of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers (DMCC) Act 2024 is expected to come into effect in April 2025. It restates and updates the CPRs into primary legislation, revokes the 2008 regulations and sets out rules around unfair trading. The Act:
● Provides the Secretary of State with the power to add, amend, or remove a description of a commercial practice which are in all circumstances considered unfair
● Provides clarification that someone facilitating supply or promotion of a product is a ‘trader’ and must comply with consumer law
The use of this power will be kept under review – any amendments proposed are subject to a duty to consult with stakeholders and approval by both Houses of Parliament.
Department for Culture, Media and Sport

tl;dr

britbong gov said nah fuck off. not surprising

 

[Maniacal Foreigner]

There are no plans to amend UK consumer law on disabling video games. Those selling games must comply with existing requirements in consumer law and we will continue to monitor this issue.
The Government recognises concerns raised by video games users regarding the operability of purchased products. As the lead department for video games, the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) regularly engages industry representatives and monitors how consumers interact with games. We work with the Department for Business and Trade (DBT) as the lead department for consumer protection more generally.
We are aware of issues relating to the life-span of digital content, including video games, and we appreciate the concerns of players of some games that have been discontinued. We have no plans to amend existing consumer law on digital obsolescence, but we will monitor this issue and consider the relevant work of the Competition and Market Authority (CMA) on consumer rights and consumer detriment.
Video games sellers must comply with existing consumer law – this includes the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA) and Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 (CPRs). We have provided details of relevant protections below. However, there is no requirement in UK law for software companies to support older versions of their products. Decision-making is for those companies, taking account of commercial and regulatory factors and complying with existing consumer law. There may be occasions where companies make decisions based on the high running costs of maintaining older servers for games with declining user bases.
The CRA gives consumers important rights when they make a contract with a trader for the supply of digital content, requiring it to be of satisfactory quality, fit for a particular purpose and as described by the seller. It may be difficult and expensive for businesses to maintain support for old software, particularly if it needs to interact with new technologies. However, if software is offered for sale that is not supported by the provider, then this should be made clear, for example on product webpages and physical packaging.
If digital content does not meet these quality rights, the consumer is entitled to a repair or replacement or, if not possible, some money back up to 100% of the cost of the digital content. These rights apply to intangible digital content like a PC game, as well as tangible content like a physical copy of a game. The CRA has a limit of up to six years after a breach of contract during which a consumer can take legal action.
A trader or third party can upgrade and improve the features of digital content so long as it continues to match any description given by the trader and conforms with any pre-contract information provided by the trader, unless varied by express agreement.
In addition, the CRA requires that the terms and conditions applied by a trader to a product they sell must not be unfair and must be prominent and transparent. If not, they may also be challenged and the question of fairness is a matter for the courts. Terms found to be unfair are not binding on the consumer.
The CPRs require information to consumers to be clear and correct and prohibit commercial practices which through false information or misleading omissions cause the average consumer to make a different choice. As such, the regulations prohibit commercial practices which omit or hide information which the average consumer needs to make an informed choice, and prohibits traders from providing material information in an unclear, unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely manner. If consumers are led to believe that a game will remain playable indefinitely for certain systems, despite the end of physical support, the CPRs may require that the game remains technically feasible (for example, available offline) to play under those circumstances.
The CPRs are enforced by Trading Standards and the CMA. If consumers believe that there has been a breach of these regulations, they should report it to the Citizens Advice helpline (or Advice Direct Scotland for those living in Scotland) which is a free service advising on rights and how to take their case forward. The helplines will refer complaints to Trading Standards and CMA where appropriate. Consumers can also pursue private redress through the courts where a trader has provided misleading information on a product.
The CPRs section of the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers (DMCC) Act 2024 is expected to come into effect in April 2025. It restates and updates the CPRs into primary legislation, revokes the 2008 regulations and sets out rules around unfair trading. The Act:
● Provides the Secretary of State with the power to add, amend, or remove a description of a commercial practice which are in all circumstances considered unfair
● Provides clarification that someone facilitating supply or promotion of a product is a ‘trader’ and must comply with consumer law
The use of this power will be kept under review – any amendments proposed are subject to a duty to consult with stakeholders and approval by both Houses of Parliament.
Department for Culture, Media and Sport

that's a lot of words to say "suck our dick, serf"

 

[Hermiöne Granger]

Latest count..

88% Belgium
82% Spain
79% France
71% Austria
61% Hungary

Minimum thresholds in 7 countries have been reached. European citizens initiative total so far 413,067. One million statements of support is needed.

https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

"It's like it was answered by the same people" - I want to throw a diskonkey with Yes Minister on Ross so he understands that it doesn't matter who is elected, every Bri*ish government job is held some inbred (nowadays not even white inbred) bureaucrat that is hellbent on never doing anything to improve other people's lives (and will actually work to ruin others). The idea it's due to lobbying is absolute cope, gaming companies don't need to lobby in the USA, nevermind the EU/UK that would rather immolate than allow its citizens more freedoms.

 

[użytkownik]

Recently, Ross was a guest in Brodie Robertson's podcast (Tech Over Tea) to talk about this initiative.

Spoiler: MIRROR

Audio:

End here's current status of the petition.

 

[Gossip Avoider]

As an European who signed for the lulz, I recieved the following E-Mail today:

Spoiler: Original in German

Liebe Unterstützerinnen und Unterstützer der Europäischen Bürgerinitiative „Stop Destroying Videogames“,

Zunächst, vielen Dank für eure Unterstützung!

Unsere Bemühungen haben uns die Zusammenarbeit mit verschiedenen Organisationen, die sich für den Erhalt von Videospielen einsetzen, gesichert. Dazu zählen zum Beispiel GoG oder sogar die Europaabgeordneten der Piratenpartei.

Wir versuchen aktuell verschiedene Werbekampagnen zu organisieren, um wieder in die Nachrichten zu kommen, Interviews zu geben und andere Möglichkeiten zu finden, um wieder Schwung in das Unterschriftensammeln zu bringen. Wir wollen für den Endspurt noch einmal alles geben! Auch ihr könnt helfen: Wir rufen euch alle zum Handeln auf! Wir bitten euch, allen von der Initiative zu erzählen und sie so vielen Menschen wie möglich zu präsentieren! Ob Gamer oder Nicht-Gamer, die Arbeit unserer Initiative für Verbraucherrechte und den Erhalt der Kultur betrifft alle EU-Bürgerinnen und -Bürger gleichermaßen. Nutzt gerne die Ressourcen unter https://stopkillinggames.eu/ und auf unserem Discord-Server https://discord.com/invite/gGAwxgarzZ.

Wir haben nur begrenzt Zeit, die EBI zum Erfolg zu führen und mithilfe direkter Demokratie die Zerstörung von Videospielen zu verhindern. Wenn wir erfolgreich sind, können wir Gaming-Geschichte schreiben! Vorausgesetzt, wir sammeln genügend Unterschriften!
Lasst uns das gemeinsam angehen!

Vielen Dank!

Organisatoren der EBI

Spoiler: AI translated into English

Dear supporters of the European Citizens' Initiative "Stop Destroying Videogames,"

First of all, thank you very much for your support!

Our efforts have secured collaboration with various organizations advocating for the preservation of video games. These include, for example, GoG or even Members of the European Parliament from the Pirate Party.

We are currently working on organizing various advertising campaigns to get back into the news, give interviews, and find other opportunities to regain momentum in collecting signatures. We want to give it our all for the final push! You can help too: We call on all of you to take action! We ask you to tell everyone about the initiative and present it to as many people as possible! Whether gamers or non-gamers, our initiative’s work for consumer rights and the preservation of culture affects all EU citizens equally. Feel free to use the resources at https://stopkillinggames.eu/ and on our Discord server https://discord.com/invite/gGAwxgarzZ.

We have only a limited amount of time to make the ECI a success and, through direct democracy, prevent the destruction of video games. If we succeed, we can make gaming history! Provided, of course, that we collect enough signatures!
Let’s tackle this together!

Thank you very much!

Organizers of the ECI

 

[We Are The Witches]

Not looking good, end is in "31-Jul-2025" and not even halfway.

Sadly.

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Ross' video briefly talking about it on the beginning (have not watched fully):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsz2Kvw4psQ

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Not looking good, end is in "31-Jul-2025" and not even halfway.

Sadly.

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Ross' video briefly talking about it on the beginning (have not watched fully):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsz2Kvw4psQ

Never trust euros to do anything for their own good

 

[30+GameOvers]

Not looking good, end is in "31-Jul-2025" and not even halfway.

Sadly.

Ironically enough, this means that Ross just opened the gateways to making killing games even more acceptable if he fails. Gamers are cattle, shame that Ross has to find out the hard way.

 

[BradeRunna]

I didn't see anything about woke DEI and ESG money hurting games so nothing will change. My shitty woke slop game will be in better condition now. Thanks Euro cucks!

more rights than the US at least
you're also a fag

Not really. Euro fags just have better consumer protection. and gibs. Everything else is a shit show. No guns no freedom of speech getting arrested for saying nigger on the internet can't post anything pro-Nazi or fascism can't deny the holohoax can't access certain sites (kiwi farms) and lots of other retarded shit.

 

[Terror Sandwich]

Europoors can't do anything right. How many video game consumers are there, and they can't even get 1M signatures?
They'll own nothing and be happy.

 

[Slav Power]

Never trust euros to do anything for their own good

Thanks Euro cucks!

Europoors can't do anything right.

Good thing Americans did a better job at stopping companies from arbitrarily changing terms of service and fucking over the customers... Right?

Sorry, I forgot that Amerifats kvetched when the evil EU forced Apple to finally use a connector everyone else including Apple because it's literally communism despite people bitching and moaning they need a special cable only for their iPhone when everything else uses the same cable already. Or that they forced Microsoft to allow you uninstall Edge despite everyone bitching and moaning how they couldn't do that for years.

Fucking hell, if anything you should be celebrating that the useless Europoors were in fact useless and your beloved megacorpos can still fuck you up the ass raw since you love it so much.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Good thing Americans did a better job at stopping companies from arbitrarily changing terms of service and fucking over the customers... Right?

Sorry, I forgot that Amerifats kvetched when the evil EU forced Apple to finally use a connector everyone else including Apple because it's literally communism despite people bitching and moaning they need a special cable only for their iPhone when everything else uses the same cable already. Or that they forced Microsoft to allow you uninstall Edge despite everyone bitching and moaning how they couldn't do that for years.

Fucking hell, if anything you should be celebrating that the useless Europoors were in fact useless and your beloved megacorpos can still fuck you up the ass raw since you love it so much.

Just watch, Ross will be visibly bitter from this. Not just towards europoors but gamers as a whole. Bitter pill for him to swallow, but what can you do? Goes to show you there is nothing you can do from the legal standpoint, so therefore there is absolutely no reason not just to pirate everything, hoard all the old versions of the games and work on projects to mod/unfuck these games in secret.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Good thing Americans did a better job at stopping companies from arbitrarily changing terms of service and fucking over the customers... Right?

Sorry, I forgot that Amerifats kvetched when the evil EU forced Apple to finally use a connector everyone else including Apple because it's literally communism despite people bitching and moaning they need a special cable only for their iPhone when everything else uses the same cable already. Or that they forced Microsoft to allow you uninstall Edge despite everyone bitching and moaning how they couldn't do that for years.

Fucking hell, if anything you should be celebrating that the useless Europoors were in fact useless and your beloved megacorpos can still fuck you up the ass raw since you love it so much.

Pretty sure that was due to environmentalism rather than consumer protection. In general the EU only legislates shit either for retarded for environmental concerns or to limit personal freedom.

 

[The Tall Man]

I’m disappointed in gamers. I was under no illusion that they had a spine.
“Gamer Rise Up” is an ironic meme for that very reason.

But the fact that most gaming youtubers think SKG is too controversial to cover, and that their audiences aren’t even messaging them to talk about it, paints a far more pathetic picture of gamers than I expected.

Wishing Ross and the EUCI organizers good luck. Maybe some youtubers will manage to find their spine and actually cover the issue. If not, then the EUCI will fail.

SKG doesn't just have the EUCI; it also has other options it's pursuing, like consumer protection agencies.

 

[30+GameOvers]

I am all for "Pirate Everything" and "Total Game Company Death" Ross arc, I can already feel it in my bones. He will try and hide his disappointment in the upcoming news videos, but little by little the cracks will show. He put way too much effort and energy into this, it will crush him.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I am all for "Pirate Everything" and "Total Game Company Death" Ross arc, I can already feel it in my bones. He will try and hide his disappointment in the upcoming news videos, but little by little the cracks will show. He put way too much effort and energy into this, it will crush him.

I just want him to return to making videos. I respect him for trying, but trying to fix our retarded gamer community is an exercise in frustration.