People that do this usually want to be left alone. That was my entire point.
And when she abruptly announced her intention to do that, after a friendly 1-2 hour conversation, I left her alone. Nothing in my post indicated otherwise. She was thrown off that I found it inherently wrong to imitate the opposite sex and dupe heterosexual partners who are none the wiser. This hit her hard because that's what she'd done on her date earlier.
She can't say, "Well, actually, that's exactly what I do. I'm not a real man. And you're transphobic as FUCK!" It's also pretty tough to defend such an act, in my opinion. And I wasn't yelling about troons or something. I just gave a milquetoast recalling of my experience and how puzzling it was to me. But her face and vibe shift showed the palpable hurt/offense from my opinion. And it took the form of her abruptly shutting down, which I noticed and politely asked if I'd offended her. This is when I was realizing she's a pooner. She said everything is cool, nothing was offensive, but she wants to put her earbuds in now.
It wasn't because I was a bother or refusing to read signs, you donkey. And I don't see that as a polite, female social cue. The female behavior was her hurt from what I said, realizing someone she spent the last couple hours having beers with might actually be repulsed by the real "him." What I'm telling her is that I will never actually see her as a man who should date women without announcing she's not really a man. And from her POV, I clearly haven't clocked her. So how much can she defend such a thing?
How does this scenario play out, whether I clock her as a woman or not, without her coming off as gay? If I view her as a man like she wants, her defense of troon-trickery on Tinder indicates "he's" okay with chicks with dicks deceiving "him", indicative of homosexuality. She presents as a straight man, though. Conversely, if she admits that "he's" actually a she in defense of the trickery I referenced, she's forced to admit she's, 1) actually a lesbian herself, and 2) a proponent of the deceptive practices I just said I find unethical and shitty.
So, no, it really wasn't me being some drunk moron who kept bothering some poor gal. I don't think it was a standard female social cue, either. The earbud stuff right after, I saw as a woman taking advantage of presenting as a man because men will usually leave other men alone without needing a reason. It was an abrupt cutoff to avoid the chance of any revelations like above (unnecessary, though, since I could read her response and would've left her alone anyway).
To me, it was the same as her saying, "I mean, seriously, do I look like I'm the type to take shit from someone?" when describing how she really wanted to beat some dude up, but was on the clock. "I need to look tough and manly to be left alone, especially from males." Female projection of manliness to receive the benefits of being male.
These are examples of pooner behavior that I'd definitely consider toxic and worth shitting on them for, especially adults online who actively promote it to younger people and others. Not the earbud shit, but the "stealthing" deception that ignores other people's orientation (often in an attempt to run from the truth about their own).
I'm sure many in here have seen enough examples to offer better insight. It's possible nowhere near as many "transition" for the reasons I think, causing me to overlook tons of weirdo women and baby them by default. That is legitimately why I was asking for examples earlier, not to infantilize all of them like no women can be toxic or harmful or shitty on their own.
I'm not trying to keep childishly insulting or arguing with you. Just painting the actual scenario since I find it interesting. Have a good one.
Perhaps I missed where you said this, but what would you consider toxic behavior - or rather, what toxic behavior were you expecting to see in the thread? You seem able to identify the toxicity emitted from MTFs, so is it a matter of how extreme a behavior goes, social influence, etc.? Just wondering because pooner toxicity can get pretty intense, but it definitely expresses itself... less bombastically, I would say, compared to the sideshows that trannies are capable of.
For a general rubric, I'd say anything adults do that negatively influences kids, ignores the obvious harms of gender ideology as a whole, etc. I feel the same empathy for
some MTF, too, though. Young boys who are transed by the ideology I speak of in schools, confused gay ones, etc. I don't give adults a pass once they're engaging in toxic behavior or ignoring the harms of what these legislative changes bring to society. My distinction is something like AGP's and adults laundering their fetishes through vs. those I see duped from being sold a panacea to why their lives are shitty.
Women cutting online and showing it off for attention should be admonished, especially when kids can see it. Women are as capable of being just as shitty as dudes, for sure. I'd never heard of pooners drugging people, which I obviously find super toxic. It's these things that I was curious about since I don't see that from MTF very often.
Still, I understand the inclination to be gentler with them. Call me a softie, but if you can find it in your heart to sympathize with them, I can only wish I hadn't had the experiences I had so I could be nicer, too. But instead I'm posting on Kiwi Farms, so I'm basically a devil's reject, so whatever.
I'm not gentler toward toxic behavior as the behavior stands on it's own. I just see a difference between the motivations known for why so many "transition" between M/F. Many "MTF" men are just perverts with wigs on due to the loopholes required for gender ideology. Examples like that and not women who are escaping womanhood are probably hugely present. It's not like the women who transition can't also do so for narcissistic reasons. Women's prisons have a lot more sexual violence between inmates than men's. The same male-mimicry that is used by some to ward off men can also be used to dominate and intimidate other women.
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I smell the stench of a funny lil dood.
You think I'm a pooner, dude? Seriously? You really wanna fuck with me, bro? If my transbian girlfriend didn't lock up my problem solver in an empty pickle jar,
you'd be in for it, dude. I'm a big boy. A man, actually. A REAL ONE!