The Windows OS Thread - Formerly THE OS for gamers and normies, now sadly ruined by Pajeets

[DickoTheClown]

MS has an internal initiative to incorporate AI into as many applications as possible, likely to recoup the high investment into openai. As stupid as putting it into notepad is, it shouldn't really be that surprising after seeing how hard they tried to push something like Windows recall. MS's business model heavily revolves around having a long list of features for a sales document - half baked nd/or unnecessary features are common because it helps their sales team push product. They move slow, but they also aggressively roll out certain features and products if they believe it helps their bottom line.

They even tried this "push everything marketable we can because some retard bean counter told us to" shit with Vista and it ultimately failed, forcing them to support XP through 2014, by which point Windows 7 was already well supported and well loved (and Windows 8 was out and nobody wanted it). The same shit is happening with Windows 11, but this time they're literally selling the solution of one year of extended support for Win10, instead of just buckling and admitting that Windows 11 was a rush job so they could bundle AI into it at every opportunity. Win10 was supposed to be their final OS. Their investments into AI forced them to make Windows 11. It's evident that they spent very little actual dev time on Windows 11, as it's just basically Windows 10 with a "NeW kErNeL" (which, by the way, is defeated by the fact that they recently made it compatible with computers with older motherboards because they're trying to inflate their Win11 numbers so they can convince themselves they aren't massive failures) and tons of features that literally nobody asked for, and most people aren't even going to use.

For those looking for a Linux distro that actually gives a more Windows feeling (let's face it, 99% of you aren't going to need something that isn't on a default package manager already), Linux Mint is good, and so are most KDE Linux distros (Such as Fedora KDE Plasma). There are also some gaming-focused distros (Steam also just published SteamOS/Proton to assist with this). Avoid Arch Linux and its zealots like the plague, though. That's kinda my plan once Win10 is no longer supported by a majority of apps (assuming MS doesn't cave and admit they're retards).

 

[TroonsDid911]

Hey does anyone know if that AI crap in Notepad is a flat subscription or uses a token system? Since its run by pajeets I assume they weren't smart enough to enable a token limit which means you could potentially write a bot to continually prompt the AI 24/7 to burn through tons of power.

 

[jeff7989]

Windows XP is still useful, it takes around 2GB of space, perfect for a VM controlling old obscure hardware, or car diagnostics laptop. No need to deal with forced updates, just don't connect it to network. Runs blazing fast on a potato. Use Debian as a host and you're set. Need to share with friend? It compresses to less than 1 GB, modern operating systems are huge monstrosities.

 

[Slav Power]

Windows XP is still useful

Runs blazing fast on a potato.

Use Debian as a host

>Linuxfags when they haven't shilled Linux in the Windows thread for 1 picosecond

Also, this implies that Windows XP is so much more viable than Debian that the latter is only useful as a host for the former. Lol, lmfao even.

 

[crowabunga]

I wish Windows Pro still had access to UWF. Really, I wish Microsoft still did anything for small-org net cafe style usage. Nowadays all I can do is rely on 3rd-party offerings like Deep Freeze and hope it doesn't get broken by an update - though nowadays, I have to worry about native features getting broken by updates, too, so maybe I'd still be just as badly off.

 

[The Ugly One]

They even tried this "push everything marketable we can because some retard bean counter told us to" shit with Vista and it ultimately failed, forcing them to support XP through 2014

What forced them to keep supporting XP is enterprises change when they are good and ready, not when the supplier is, and the supplier does what the large customer wants. IIRC Boeing was one of the major players keeping XP alive for as long as it was. They had some applications that didn't work right in Vista and maybe even 7 for a long time.

Win10 was supposed to be their final OS. Their investments into AI forced them to make Windows 11.

There were some major shifts in hardware, driver, and security architecture that weren't really in view in 2011-2013, when they started developing Win 10. They tried to future-proof Win 10 as much as they could, and the future once again outfoxed them.

For those looking for a Linux distro that actually gives a more Windows feeling (let's face it, 99% of you aren't going to need something that isn't on a default package manager already), Linux Mint is good, and so are most KDE Linux distros (Such as Fedora KDE Plasma).

If you are hoping for a desktop-oriented Linux to have a lifecycle as long as Windows before a major update is required, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

[jeff7989]

>Linuxfags when they haven't shilled Linux in the Windows thread for 1 picosecond
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Also, this implies that Windows XP is so much more viable than Debian that the latter is only useful as a host for the former. Lol, lmfao even.

I'm saying that XP is more useful than 11 in some areas. That's some high IQ slav nigger. Let me run application requiring high reliability on an emulator.
Every OS has its place.

 

[Slav Power]

I'm saying that XP is more useful than 11 in some areas. That's some high IQ slav nigger. Let me run application requiring high reliability on an emulator.
Every OS has its place.

>Windows XP is still useful
>But run it in a VM under Debian
In other words, install Linux to use XP. By which point you're overcomplicating what's essentially moving to Linux. Not to mention that for those car diagnostics applications people just rawdog XP on an ancient laptop with no web connection that has a physical COM port since it's less convoluted than doing some Linux VM fuckery and it just works.

But then you wouldn't have the occasion to shill for Linux in the Windows thread again, now would you?

 

[jeff7989]

Virtualbox also justworks™ on any dirt cheap laptop. I'll be sure to mention Linux ever so often since it makes you seethe for some reason. On a forum that requires some technical knowledge to even access from time to time.

 

[DickoTheClown]

What forced them to keep supporting XP is enterprises change when they are good and ready, not when the supplier is, and the supplier does what the large customer wants. IIRC Boeing was one of the major players keeping XP alive for as long as it was. They had some applications that didn't work right in Vista and maybe even 7 for a long time.

From what I can tell, enterprises are largely why Microsoft is selling their 1-year extension of service for Windows 10 ("create the problem, sell the solution"). Most either A) don't have the hardware that Windows 11 requires (even after they nerfed it), or B) don't want that extra threat/vuln vector presented by Windows Recall (while, yes, it has to be turned on, there's no barrier for that unless MS has implemented a group policy for it), as well as the always-on Microsoft Account connection that Win11 forces (note: I'm actually genuinely not sure if that's also a thing in enterprise editions). The most common reason is going to be A, because only sysadmins are going to be bitching about B. A lot of companies still run on old hardware, and the cost of upgrading to Win11-compatible hardware is something most enterprises aren't willing to do all at once.

The basic at-home consumer has long since stopped mattering to just about every tech company.

There were some major shifts in hardware, driver, and security architecture that weren't really in view in 2011-2013, when they started developing Win 10. They tried to future-proof Win 10 as much as they could, and the future once again outfoxed them.

Agreed. My point is more that MS has clearly demonstrated that they're willing to compromise that new kernel if it means showing investors that more people are installing Windows 11, and that it totally wasn't a rushed release with hardware requirements that most of the world (especially the corporate world) wasn't ready for.

If you are hoping for a desktop-oriented Linux to have a lifecycle as long as Windows before a major update is required, you're gonna have a bad time.

I work in compsci, so this is really nothing new to me. It is worth noting for anyone else, though. Linux distro devs will need to get over that hurdle if they want to get market relevance beyond the power users (Mint afaik is trying, but hasn't quite reached that point yet).

And god I hope they do, because between Windows and Mac, we're stuck between two companies that aren't interested in competing with each other and therefore get worse and worse at an ever-increasing pace.

 

[The Ugly One]

From what I can tell, enterprises are largely why Microsoft is selling their 1-year extension of service for Windows 10 ("create the problem, sell the solution"). Most either A) don't have the hardware that Windows 11 requires (even after they nerfed it), or B) don't want that extra threat/vuln vector presented by Windows Recall

The most common and most boring answer is (C), they don't upgrade anything until they have certified their entire software stack runs on it and done dry-runs of the roll-out plan to ensure that nothing will go wrong. This simply takes a long time to do, and it can take a year or two.

My point is more that MS has clearly demonstrated that they're willing to compromise that new kernel if it means showing investors that more people are installing Windows 11

You're inferring an investor scam when the real answer is probably something a lot more boring, like "Proctor & Gamble demanded it."

I work in compsci, so this is really nothing new to me. It is worth noting for anyone else, though. Linux distro devs will need to get over that hurdle if they want to get market relevance beyond the power users (Mint afaik is trying, but hasn't quite reached that point yet).

I don't know that there's anything traditional distros can actually do. Since Linux, or GNU/Linux, or GNU Plus Linux, as I've taken to calling it, is a bloated, monolithic kernel with a massive constellation of things around it that have no central management or organization, a new major release (e.g. RHEL 8 -> RHEL 9 or SLES 15 SP2 -> SLES 15 SP3) is bound to break things. GLIBC updates alone break things. Having a C/C++ runtime be a fundamental part of the operating system is a horrendously bad idea and a major driver behind why Linux is so brittle. Many organizations will settle on a particular dot release, say RHEL 8.3, and not update it at all until forced to update by some mission-critical application to RHEL 9.

Anyway, just saying, anyone switching to Linux because they think it means they get to use their favorite 10-year-old OS forever will quickly find lots of applications don't support anything older than about 24 months if that.

 

[Betonhaus]

Win10 was supposed to be their final OS.

Oh yeah fuck that I fully expected Windows 10 to be the last OS but then they decided nah.

At this point I'm expecting that if Microsoft ever starts caring about their customers again they will just revive Windows 10 and migrate windows 11 users to it.

 

[mag_fag]

Oh yeah fuck that I fully expected Windows 10 to be the last OS but then they decided nah.

At this point I'm expecting that if Microsoft ever starts caring about their customers again they will just revive Windows 10 and migrate windows 11 users to it.

You're assuming m$ gives a shit about their customers in the first place, they do not. And will not in the future.

 

[Betonhaus]

You're assuming m$ gives a shit about their customers in the first place, they do not. And will not in the future.

There was a time when they recognized that caring about their customers ensured that they stayed the standard that every company uses. We are very close to some bean counter realizing that it's cheaper to switch to Red Hat or something.

 

[The Ugly One]

There was a time when they recognized that caring about their customers ensured that they stayed the standard that every company uses. We are very close to some bean counter realizing that it's cheaper to switch to Red Hat or something.

If IBM would crack the whip over Red Hat and make them fork GNOME or KDE or something they could do some serious damage to Microsoft. Fortunately for Microsoft, IBM is too bloated and retarded to do that.

 

[Mysterious Figure]

Windows 11 was a rush job

Windows 11 is a glitched out piece of shit. I wish I could stick with 10.

When installing it, it gives the option of not putting in the product code, pretends to install itself, then at the end it goes back to the beginning. Putting in the product code actually installs the OS.

Also, I've been installing programs on it, and the text in the installers are usually blank for some reason.

 

[GeorgeFloydFentanylStash]

MS has an internal initiative to incorporate AI into as many applications as possible, likely to recoup the high investment into openai. As stupid as putting it into notepad is, it shouldn't really be that surprising after seeing how hard they tried to push something like Windows recall. MS's business model heavily revolves around having a long list of features for a sales document - half baked nd/or unnecessary features are common because it helps their sales team push product. They move slow, but they also aggressively roll out certain features and products if they believe it helps their bottom line.

Appreciate the post. I understand why MS is pushing AI do hard. But for apps like Notepad, it’s a little much IMO.

 

[DickoTheClown]

You're inferring an investor scam when the real answer is probably something a lot more boring, like "Proctor & Gamble demanded it."

I wouldn't consider it an investor scam to compromise the kernel so that it can be installed on machines it really shouldn't be so they can make those numbers go up. Wildly irresponsible, yes (and it did end up bricking some end user machines), but investor scam, not really. It's not the boring answer of "Proctor & Gamble demanded it" but the even more boring answer of "we want to have good numbers and will make bad decisions about our product to do so" (so, par for the course for Big Tech). Most people aren't tech literate enough to understand what Microsoft is doing - they just see Win11 is suddenly compatible with their machine, think "MS must have fixed it" and install it.

As far as everything else you said, yeah, those are good points that I'm not even going to dispute lol.

 

[Critical Raxx Theory]

I use my Win Xp laptop almost daily. I got it to run some old hardware thats software that wont run in compatibility mode on anything newer. I have since maxed out its ram and cpu (for about $30) and its so much faster than my pretty decent win 10 desktop. Just runs a single core but have been using it for CAD recently without issue.
more importantly i can go from off to playing solitare in about 26 seconds

 

[Baraka Obama]

My main Windows XP box is a Sandy Bridge era dell SFF I got for next to nothing, and then added a half height GTX 750ti and a cheap SSD. I has all the ports, has native support & drivers still on Dell's website, boots in like 10 seconds, and nothing ever goes wrong with it.

I don't get why anyone uses VMs, they are miserable.