2025-03-26 - OFCOM: "Advisory Letter: illegal content risk assessments - your duties under the Online Safety Act 2023"

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Motherfuckers finally carried out their internet censorship threats, tried to play world police with this new Act in a way that would make FDR blush, and will probably make my life more fucking expensive in response to the U.S tariffs enacted (or at least claimed to be) in retaliation for how shit they are. Dropkick your local MP and call him a nigger. Doesn't matter which party, just dropkick him into the nearest mosque.
 
You make some interesting points and this helps me understand why setting a legal framework to get the King of England out of our face is necessary. Suppose Null were smuggling hate cheeses into the UK by boat -- clearly UK jurisdiction. But what if he sets up shop in international waters and UK subjects go out to meet him on dinghys?

I can imagine the UK attempting a line of argument that Null is deliberately offering a service in the UK because he isn't doing enough to block UK users. He gives advice to circumvent the IP ban and tolerates known British users, an act he admits is vile. I can understand how a UK court could convict him under UK law, move to freeze assets, girl talk companies that are subject to UK law, etc. This is bullshit -- the UK can police its own users, it isn't Null's job.

It's insidious and messy because they can pretend it's not just a global censorship law, but finance and commerce are heavily global now, which is (completely coincidentally, with absolutely no evil intent) a threat to sovereignty. He is a US citizen living in the US. His government needs to protect him. God help us all.

But this also makes me doubt the "big tech is funding it" theory, because they all do business there, and unless they're prepared to exit the UK over it (possible but unlikely -- see the various "linking to news requires royalties" lawsuits and Google leaving China), why does our winning on jurisdiction grounds help them? I understand why they hate this law.
A better analogy.
lets say i have a deli that sells ham sandiches in my own home in Canada thats totally legal(for now, anyways), right? well, lets say i bring that ham sandwich with me to..lets say saudi arabia with sharia law. well then i'm a fucking idiot and deserve to get the lashes for bringing ham into a muislim country. no doubt about that. well, the UK's position is that i shouldn't have Ham in my own home country, because somebody is saudi arabia might get some of that ham even though i've decided not to sell any to saudi arabians and taken measures to block access of that ham to saudis, and Saudi laws should apply to Canadians on Canadian soil,too.
But the UK really wants to open that can of worms to try to world police the internet, There are laws in russia and china for example that will get british websites in serious shit, and they can start arguing shut down in violation of russian or chinese internet law. there is a good reason they don't do that, as they know to stay in their own lane and know what can of worms it will open. the snaggletoothed inbred hillbillies of the UK will have to learn that lesson the hard way if they actually get their way on this.
could you imagine the gay propaganda laws of Russia being imposed on the UK because Russian citixens can use a VPN and access it? the UK are opening their ass holes to that exact assfucking by playing internet police, and they are too stupid to realize it.
In a way, the britbongs losing this case would be in their own good,too.
 
What I wrote is that by taking actions, good faith or otherwise, that exclude visitors from the UK this is no longer an online service available in the UK. That is my statement and from my reading and reasonable conclusions, it is correct.
I never said you said they had the actual power to do this, merely that they claim the jurisdiction to do it. I also think it's highly arguable that since the block comes along with instructions on how to evade it, the site really is, from the UK government's perspective, still providing services in the UK.

We appear to be talking past each other. In any event, I think the issue will turn out to be academic as I believe the ultimate result will be that if they're really serious about this, they'll just institute a block (that will be as easily evadable as the one we already have in place).
 
I love that the yanks are getting on their high horse about how free and better they are, yet this very site keeps getting its services dropped by US companies due to domestic US pressure from troons and the like despite being quite legal in the USA. All the unfathomably cringey USA! knuckle dragging battlecry shite rings kind of hollow in the light of that really. Free speech and a constitution in name only, but whatever makes you guys feel better.

Total Yankoid Death can't come soon enough. Unfortunately hating Trannies is more important to me than shitting on thick cunt Americans so we'll have to leave it for now. The UK probably should charge Josh a nominal fee for rent considering how it lives in his head though, despite my respect and disbelief that chubs has been keeping this site running through hell and highwater so fair play
We are better britnigger.
 
I never said you said they had the actual power to do this, merely that they claim the jurisdiction to do it. I also think it's highly arguable that since the block comes along with instructions on how to evade it, the site really is, from the UK government's perspective, still providing services in the UK.
That I agree with and I wrote I think that it depends on whether they think the block is in good faith and reasonable means have been taken to make it. I lean to it being effective on the grounds that Null isn't doing anything to make VPNs or TOR available - they're already there and common place used by all members (though not necessarily passive readers). However, you're right that they may not see it that way. To them recommending a VPN is probably akin to promoting illegal action, even though VPNs are legal and useful.

As to talking past each other, yes - we are a bit. That was kind of my point. Lets let time show which (if either) of us is right.
 
I love that the yanks are getting on their high horse about how free and better they are, yet this very site keeps getting its services dropped by US companies due to domestic US pressure from troons and the like despite being quite legal in the USA. All the unfathomably cringey USA! knuckle dragging battlecry shite rings kind of hollow in the light of that really. Free speech and a constitution in name only, but whatever makes you guys feel better.

Total Yankoid Death can't come soon enough. Unfortunately hating Trannies is more important to me than shitting on thick cunt Americans so we'll have to leave it for now. The UK probably should charge Josh a nominal fee for rent considering how it lives in his head though, despite my respect and disbelief that chubs has been keeping this site running through hell and highwater so fair play.
As an Englishman myself I find it unbelievable how anyone from here would defend this gay muslim loving nigger country. I'm glad America is humiliating the UK on the world stage, I want the UK to be spat upon by every single country on this earth.
 
Free speech and a constitution in name only, but whatever makes you guys feel better.
Well, we had a problem with Mexicans, but we didn't intentionally import millions of arab rapists and then got all skittish about calling them filthy rapist savages (since that's what they were) and then tried to bury the story because we're so afraid to be labeled "racist".

Not only did the UK do this, they allow these subhuman rapists to see their victims children of that rape while incarcerated. This is why we will always be in a better position.

We're quite aware how lame trannies are, but we're actively pushing back on all their fucking nonsense. But even still, if you live in the UK, it's not your fault, you're just a victim of circumstance. You, through no fault of your own, just happened to be born in a really faggoty place. These aren't necessarily insults directed at the ppl in the UK, it's your government coming up with these gay policies... and whatever retard citizens who ever tried to defend these gross decisions.
 
The farms made it to Zerohedge and the Epoch Times, a Falun Gong and Murdoch affiliated site that shits on the Chinese Goverment (also took I think 100k of USAID money)

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Online forums based in the United States that rely on First Amendment protections are getting caught up in internet regulations in the UK, where they now risk being blocked under recent legislation.


Hailed by the British government as the world’s first online safety law, the Online Safety Act (OSA) became law in October 2023, but the duties related to the regulation of so-called illegal content took effect on March 17.

The law requires online platforms to implement measures to protect people in the UK from criminal activity, with far-reaching implications for the internet.

Gab, an American social media network, positions itself as a champion of free speech.

Gab CEO Andrew Torba said in a March 26 social media post that the UK government has demanded that it submit to “their new censorship regime under the UK Online Safety Act.”

Gab—which has no legal presence in the UK—was informed in a letter from UK regulator Ofcom on March 16 that it falls specifically within the scope of the law and must comply.

Under the OSA, sites that allow user interaction, including forums, must have completed an illegal harm risk assessment by March 16 and submitted it to Ofcom by March 31.

Ofcom warned that noncompliance could result in enforcement action—including massive fines of 18 million pounds (more than $23 million), or 10 percent of a company’s annual revenue—or even court orders to block access in the UK.

OSA was designed to ensure tech companies take more responsibility for user safety.

Under the act, social media platforms and other user-to-user service providers must proactively police harmful and illegal content such as revenge and extreme pornography, sex trafficking, harassment, coercive or controlling behavior, and cyberstalking.

Gab has refused to comply with the OSA.

“We will not comply. We will not pay one cent,” Torba said.

In a statement to The Epoch Times, Gab said that this “law operates outside their jurisdiction.”

Gab’s lawyers said that their client is a U.S. company with no presence outside of the United States.

“The most fundamental of America’s laws—the First Amendment to our Constitution—ensures Gab’s right to provide a service that allows anyone, anywhere, to receive and impart political opinions of any kind, free from state interference, on its US-based servers,” they said in a statement last month.

In 2018, Gab was cut off by payment processors after 46-year-old Robert Bowers allegedly posted anti-Semitic comments on the platform just hours before shooting to death 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue.

“I was horrified that this terrorist, this alleged terrorist, was on our site,” Torba said at the time.

Gab also refused to comply with legislation in other countries.

The company claimed it received a data request from the German government concerning a user who, in 2022, made a comment that was deemed offensive by a German politician.

“This comment, which referred to the politician’s weight, has prompted the German government to demand that we hand over the user’s data so they can identify and potentially imprison them for up to five years,” Torba said at the time.

Gab has also been banned from Google and Apple app stores, as both require apps to enforce strict content moderation policies.

Web forum Kiwifarms said it also received a letter from Ofcom.

The platform is now blocking users in the UK because of the legislation.

British users are now greeted with a message:

“You are accessing this website from the United Kingdom. This is not a good idea. The letter states the UK asserts authority over any website that has a ’significant number of United Kingdom users’. This ambiguous metric could include any site on the Internet and specifically takes aim at the people using a website instead of the website itself.”



The unsigned message added that the situation in the UK is “now so dire I fear for the safety of any user connecting to the Internet from the country.”

The law has already affected dozens of smaller UK websites, from forums for cyclists, hobbyists, and hamster owners, to those supporting divorced fathers.

The regulatory pressure and the many rules have caused many of them to shut down, despite some operating for decades.

‘Locked Out of UK Internet Space’​

If Gab or other companies do not comply, Ofcom can use enforcement powers.

John Carr, one of the world’s leading authorities on children’s and young people’s use of digital technologies, told The Epoch Times by email that the regulator “has the power to go to a UK court asking for orders which could compel different actors to withdraw services from Gab if it remains non-compliant with Ofcom’s directives.”

It can, for example, apply to the court for “business disruption measures (BDMs).”

These measures allow the blocking of noncompliant services, meaning UK users could lose access to certain platforms. BDMs could involve requesting payment or advertising providers to withdraw services or ask internet service providers (ISPs) to restrict access.

He said it was a “negative form of enforcement insofar as, ultimately, Ofcom can get them locked out of UK internet space,” adding that it would be a business decision.

“If they don’t have many UK users they will probably defy Ofcom and big it up as brave defiance. It’s not hard to write the script,” he said. “There is no legal basis on which an overseas company can claim it has an exemption from applying local law.”

Legal commentator Tony Dowson told The Epoch Times that the legislation does allow services to be regulated even if they are not incorporated in the UK.

He said that there is a legal test in the law over whether it has “links” with the UK, which can mean “having a significant number of UK users or the UK being one target audience.”

Dowson said that another test in the law assesses if the service is capable of being used in the UK and if there are “reasonable grounds to think that it poses a risk of serious harm through its content.”

“So, Ofcom is entitled to, under the Act, to regulate services outside the UK, as unrealistic as it could be in practice,” he said.

The UK has blocked sites via court order before.

In May 2012, British courts ordered major ISPs, including Sky, Virgin Media, TalkTalk, O2, and Everything Everywhere (EE), to block access to The Pirate Bay, a file-sharing website, after a ruling found it facilitated copyright infringement.

‘Key Figures No Longer Buy the Fiction’​

U.S. lawyer Preston Byrne said he believes that enforcement of the law could set it on a political collision course with the United States.

“London should brace for significant political blowback,” he told The Epoch Times by email.

Byrne is urging American companies that received letters from Ofcom to contact his law firm, Byrne & Storm. He stated that the websites’ decision to operate from the United States appears to be a lawful exercise of their First Amendment rights.

“The UK is, in effect, asserting that the First Amendment no longer exists,” he said. “It’s increasingly clear to me that key figures in Congress and the White House no longer buy the fiction that the UK is merely trying to make the internet a bit safer for kids, and now believe the UK is trying to undo the U.S. Constitution.”



Screenshot of attempts to access the video site Rumble in France. Epoch Times

James Tidmarsh, an international lawyer based in Paris specializing in complex international commercial litigation and arbitration, told The Epoch Times that he suspects this case “is going to attract a lot of attention [UK authorities] don’t need.”

Tidmarsh referenced France’s decision to block the American site Rumble.

In November 2022, Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovski turned “off France entirely” after the company refused to comply with the country’s demand for the removal of Russian state-media accounts.

Tariffs​

Tidmarsh mulled that the UK could also face threats of tariffs.

This year, U.S. President Donald Trump issued a memorandum seeking to protect American companies and innovators from what he called “overseas extortion.”

Much of Trump’s ire has been focused on the European Digital Services Act (DSA), with the European Commission staring down a series of deadlines to decide whether Apple, Meta, and Google are in breach of the EU’s digital competition laws.

The chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Brendan Carr, appointed to the FCC helm by Trump in January, said that DSA’s approach was “something that is incompatible with both our free speech tradition in America and the commitments that these technology companies have made to a diversity of opinions.”

The U.S. State Department said in a March 20 statement on social media that it was “concerned about freedom of expression in the United Kingdom.”

The department was referring to the case of 64-year-old Livia Tossici-Bolt, a campaigner who opposes abortion and was recently charged with infringing a public spaces protection order after holding a sign reading “here to talk” near an abortion facility in Bournemouth, England.

Tidmarsh said he believed there was a risk that the special relationship between the UK and the United States could be affected.

“We, as in Europe, still rely on the U.S. for so much, culturally, commercially,“ Tidmarsh said. ”My first reaction seeing this was, ‘Oh my God, how did they get the timing so wrong?’ I mean, if this goes across Trump’s desk, I mean he can very easily just extend all these tariffs to the UK.”

An Ofcom spokesperson told The Epoch Times that services that want to operate in the UK must comply with UK laws.

“The new duties that have just come into force under the UK’s Online Safety Act have free speech at their core and are all about protecting people in the UK from illegal content and activity like child sexual abuse material and fraud,” the spokesperson said. “We’re currently assessing platforms’ compliance with these new laws, and our codes of practice can help them do that. But, make no mistake, providers who fail to introduce measures to protect UK users from illegal content can expect to face enforcement action.”

Bonus Zerohedge false flag idea:
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An Ofcom spokesperson told The Epoch Times that services that want to operate in the UK must comply with UK laws.

“The new duties that have just come into force under the UK’s Online Safety Act have free speech at their core and are all about protecting people in the UK from illegal content and activity like child sexual abuse material and fraud,” the spokesperson said. “We’re currently assessing platforms’ compliance with these new laws, and our codes of practice can help them do that. But, make no mistake, providers who fail to introduce measures to protect UK users from illegal content can expect to face enforcement action.”
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MOTHERFUCKERS!
 
The farms made it to Zerohedge and the Epoch Times, a Falun Gong and Murdoch affiliated site that shits on the Chinese Goverment
I don't think this is the Farms' anonymous hero, but it seems like there's at least one other lawyer who is willing to step up to help US-based websites caught up in OFCOM's bully-boy tactics.
The Epoch Times said:
U.S. lawyer Preston Byrne said he believes that enforcement of the law could set it on a political collision course with the United States.

“London should brace for significant political blowback,” he told The Epoch Times by email.

Byrne is urging American companies that received letters from Ofcom to contact his law firm, Byrne & Storm. He stated that the websites’ decision to operate from the United States appears to be a lawful exercise of their First Amendment rights.
Byrne & Storm website fyi.
 
I don't think this is the Farms' anonymous hero, but it seems like there's at least one other lawyer who is willing to step up to help US-based websites caught up in OFCOM's bully-boy tactics.
Its more then likely a general muster. I suppose OFCOM thought they could get in the gates in a sneak attack by night by going after "reprehensible" websites like Gab and Kiwifarms. Sure they are exclusively US based corporations, who transact business exclusively in the USA, with servers in the USA, but who would dare stick their dicks out for them?!

Apparently for the first time in years, the US Congress was not asleep at the switch. Maybe Google and X decided to ring the alarm bell. What's important though is OFCOM is not getting their perfectly executed test case. I think right now the back channel is being used to tell the Britoids to fuck off. Which they may well do. If only in the hope that a couple years from now a more permissible Congress and Administration is in place for them to try again. Which is why I seriously hope the micromanaging fuckwits force the issue now.
 
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