Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Toji Suzuhara]

What mod is that?

Looks like Red Flood judging by the UI

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Looks like Red Flood judging by the UI

Red Flood got an update for a shattered US ?

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Red Flood got an update for a shattered US ?

There has always been one, but you are the one who has to make it explode. I did an L. Ron Hubbard run where I re-unified the US a long time ago

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

What mod is that?

North America Divided.

CK2 AtE is more fun to be frank, the Reagan reference just seems to be just that, a reference, since Reagan was governor of California and whatnot, and the guy's even brown if you have the appropriate face DLC. The Sayyids almost never take over when controlled by AI anyways, and they have a heresy that's less syncretic with Ceticism (the California hippie-shinto-new age religion) and more Shia-traditionalist. The Sayyid start is fine since there's basically zero muzzies outside of Chicago (Which is owned by a Catholic duchess at the start) and Guyana (Which has a good chance of being conquered by Brazil or the Hindu 'jeets) and provides a nice challenge of conquering California and then the wider West Coast.

I miss the 4chan redux of AtE.

 

[Sooty Soot]

Rather ridiculous considering how many Christians there still are in California, even today, compared to Muslims.

Zakariyya is def a selfinsert, but I don't mind him that much since he provides a nice underdog experience. I don'5 know anything about the AtE dev team except Sayyid so this is all new to me, I might try modding AtE to add in a Zakarriya-esque True cross ruler in Nevada with a unique event chain and generally flesh out their lore more. Doesn't sound too hard considering I made that Nazi religion mod for New Era Old World (formerly AtE Old World) and there's a mod doing the same thing to Evangelicals with a count in Raritan NJ that also dleshes out Evangelicals more. I guess I'm not bothered since I don't play much on the West Coast, the only game I've done there was as the Gran Fran Moore's where I usurped the Californian throne and conquered everything from Baja to BC and got as far inland as Cheyenne, Colorado.

I miss the 4chan redux of AtE.

There's one? When was it made? The only redux I know about is on the workshop right now but it's kind of buggy. For example, you get the event to convert the Hub ofFord everytime you gain a new holding giving you infinite piety.

 

[Chuckwagon]

Zakariyya is def a selfinsert, but I don't mind him that much since he provides a nice underdog experience. I don'5 know anything about the AtE dev team except Sayyid so this is all new to me, I might try modding AtE to add in a Zakarriya-esque True cross ruler in Nevada with a unique event chain and generally flesh out their lore more. Doesn't sound too hard considering I made that Nazi religion mod for New Era Old World (formerly AtE Old World) and there's a mod doing the same thing to Evangelicals with a count in Raritan NJ that also dleshes out Evangelicals more. I guess I'm not bothered since I don't play much on the West Coast, the only game I've done there was as the Gran Fran Moore's where I usurped the Californian throne and conquered everything from Baja to BC and got as far inland as Cheyenne, Colorado.

Well then, you may be interested to know that the non-completely-batshit JATE devs were actually planning something similar along those lines, and left some materials you might be able to make use of. The ruling family of their Dominionists, the Tannerites (named after, well, the Tannerite brand - their CoA is literally the RL Tannerite logo with the word itself replaced by a cross) have a Californian cadet branch descended from one of their lesser kinsmen, who eloped with a Jewish girl and fucked off to California long before the rest of his kin got annihilated by Gaians & various other rivals. These literal Judeo-Christian 'Crosshearts' were supposed to survive into 2666 as a minor Christian power in California; rediscovering their ancient roots, then toppling the Cetic government to recreate the Dominionate in True Cross form (as it'd be the religion most like ye olde Dominionism in 2666, the religion head is just called 'Defender of the Faith' rather than 'Apostle') would have been a potential storyline for them.

Of course that's pretty much all for naught now, since the mod just died; the Crosshearts aren't in base ATE to my knowledge, just JATE, and the devs have already said that at best they'll push out one more patch to fix the bugs in their final release rather than add any more bookmarks or significant new content, which is to say they've already admitted they're never going to get to a point where they can realize the above ambitions. But at least said devs were kind enough to leave the dynastic coding & a unique CoA for them in the final version of JATE, if you're so inclined and don't already have your own dynasty in mind, you could recycle these to cut down on the work you'd have to do otherwise.

2066087 = { name="Crossheart" culture=panhandler
coat_of_arms = {
template = 0
layer = {
texture = 12
texture_internal = 7
emblem = 0
color = 0
color = 0
color = 0
}
}
} #Tannerite cadet 2121

 

[Sooty Soot]

if you're so inclined and don't already have your own dynasty in mind, you could recycle these to cut down on the work you'd have to do otherwise.

On it, boss.

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

There's one? When was it made?

Last updates I heard of were last year.

 

[Skylavijas]

I don't think people should act surprised when some ideologically impressionable and disillusioned high schoolers/college students start wanting to emulate the newest, edgiest faction so they can feel special when that has been happening for eight years with various flavors of syndicalism and Russian warlords

These teenagers should not be on the internet period. Not because of them being prone to following radical ideologies, but their gullibility and insecurity makes them a pure nuisance to deal with, regardless of what online community they join.

If it is so easy to dupe them into becoming devoted super-nazies (just through sheer aesthetics, without any sort of actual political engagement), can you imagine how easy it must be to scam them with "free discord nitro" scams? They're also prone into being tricked into becoming white knights for any sort of microcelebrity or toxic community, and make all online drama substantially worse, because they can be easily provoked to cause a scene over nothing. It makes resolving disputes between communities almost impossible with these autistic kids around, while the more neurotypical kiddos naturally get their kicks out of bullying or fucking with them.

It turns what used to be a place for people to gather to discuss stuff like, idk... modding historical strategy video games, into a daycare center, where mods, admins and even ordinary users need to put in substantial amount of energy into ensuring these dumbasses don't start any more shit. Other places may simply not care and let shit flinging go unabated, because they find it amusing, but these places suck even more dick, because shit flinging is all it turns into, it's not about what the server was made for in the first place. And the only thing worse than a gay janny, that overreacts to any sort of thing approaching a rule violation, is a deadbeat janny that does fuckall, besides placing a slap on the wrist on somebody posting loli hentai in general chat and stating "but it's funny, you guys, I can't ban my friend for doing just a little bit of trolling you guys".

 

[Sooty Soot]

Last updates I heard of were last year.

What did it add, exactly?

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

What did it add, exactly?

Lots of stuff. https://github.com/DeposedAnon/After-the-End-Deposed

 

[Sooty Soot]

Lots of stuff. https://github.com/DeposedAnon/After-the-End-Deposed

Reading through the changelog there's alot of nice additions here, one thing I have a gripe about though is the removal of Zakariyya or more aptly the entire removal of the Zakariyya lore from Socal. The last Abbas ruler left in the mod should be given a unique event chain, mind you his stats should remain unchanged, where he discovers that the Abbas' conquered Socal in the immediate aftermath of the event like in old AtE lore but were immediately BTFOed by the Valley/Gran Fran kings before being overthrown by the peasantry and damnatio memoriae'd a la Akhenaten out of existence by the 2100's. This gives him a weak claim on the kingdom of Socal but unless he takes it over he's basically ignored by everyone, and if you want to get really cheeky about it you could have it be ambigious if the Abbas' ruled Socal, nevermind if they even existed or outright fabricate their existence like you do with the Alexander/Macarthur bloodline.
Interestingly enough, a guy claiming to be the Muzzie dev showed up in this thread.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

So if you are an ethnic minority living in Russia and your name is Sergey does that make you a time traveler?
Think about it, Sergey Taboritsky is the famed clock man in TNO and Sergey Kurginyan in TFR is the leader of The Essence of Time.
This all implies that both of them have some kind of time related powers and maybe even possible time travel abilities.

 

[GoodWinSon]

So if you are an ethnic minority living in Russia and your name is Sergey does that make you a time traveler?
Think about it, Sergey Taboritsky is the famed clock man in TNO and Sergey Kurginyan in TFR is the leader of The Essence of Time.
This all implies that both of them have some kind of time related powers and maybe even possible time travel abilities.

The Regent lives

The Clock never stops

The Tsarevich will be found

The Reich must end

 

[Chuckwagon]

Lots of stuff. https://github.com/DeposedAnon/After-the-End-Deposed

Looks like the last update was 7 months ago. Well, I hope they incorporate the bugfixes from the newly released Anniversary Edition (made as the final official CK2-ATE version by the remaining devs, fixing long running problems like the Cristo Rey coronation never working) while excising its bugs (like the aforementioned Hub of Ford conversion event firing every time you win a holy war, even if you're on the other side of the continent).

Reading through the changelog there's alot of nice additions here, one thing I have a gripe about though is the removal of Zakariyya or more aptly the entire removal of the Zakariyya lore from Socal. The last Abbas ruler left in the mod should be given a unique event chain, mind you his stats should remain unchanged, where he discovers that the Abbas' conquered Socal in the immediate aftermath of the event like in old AtE lore but were immediately BTFOed by the Valley/Gran Fran kings before being overthrown by the peasantry and damnatio memoriae'd a la Akhenaten out of existence by the 2100's. This gives him a weak claim on the kingdom of Socal but unless he takes it over he's basically ignored by everyone, and if you want to get really cheeky about it you could have it be ambigious if the Abbas' ruled Socal, nevermind if they even existed or outright fabricate their existence like you do with the Alexander/Macarthur bloodline.
Interestingly enough, a guy claiming to be the Muzzie dev showed up in this thread.

hey man listen

If you're morally opposed to transgenderism, thats your choice, but hear me out, as a religious person, this is my perspective.

I'm gonna ask you a question - if you believe it is a sin, and you also believe in God - then what are you doing when you elevate yourself to be the judge of others? aren't you putting yourself equal to god? If it is a sin, then trust in God to punish people who are sinning as he decides. And if its not a sin, then he will also give them their justice.

If on the other hand you're an atheist or whatever and think that transgenderism is bad - again, thats your opinion and i can't really force you to think differently - how is your moral standing, not based on an objective good (such as a god) superior to a transgender persons moral understanding?

thats my two cents on the matter.

also, i think out of 50+ devs, we only have 4 transgender developers, but thats besides the point

Hah, yeah, this 'who am I to judge??' spiel is pretty much the exact pisspoor turbolib take I'd expect from a black Californian zoomer convert to Islam (specifically the idealized wholesome 100 sect that functionally only exists in his head) when called upon to justify why he works with some of the most deranged & insufferable trannies to have ever stalked a Discord instead of throwing them off the nearest rooftop. Meanwhile, actual Shiites in the real world like the Iranian mullahs consider troonery a punishment (the alternative being the death penalty) to inflict upon any fag they catch. Even if that anon wasn't actually Sayyid he at least did a damn good job of impersonating him, all right.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Reading through the changelog there's alot of nice additions here, one thing I have a gripe about though is the removal of Zakariyya or more aptly the entire removal of the Zakariyya lore from Socal. The last Abbas ruler left in the mod should be given a unique event chain, mind you his stats should remain unchanged, where he discovers that the Abbas' conquered Socal in the immediate aftermath of the event like in old AtE lore but were immediately BTFOed by the Valley/Gran Fran kings before being overthrown by the peasantry and damnatio memoriae'd a la Akhenaten out of existence by the 2100's. This gives him a weak claim on the kingdom of Socal but unless he takes it over he's basically ignored by everyone, and if you want to get really cheeky about it you could have it be ambigious if the Abbas' ruled Socal, nevermind if they even existed or outright fabricate their existence like you do with the Alexander/Macarthur bloodline.

DeposedAnon was very bootyblasted by the socjus shit anally injected into the last few versions of ATE which is why the rebound against the OCs was so hard; there were a LOT of them and they all had stupidly OP stats, the removals were out of vengeance and it felt good to see it happen at the time.
Drumpf won though so we can move on from that now I think, more content can only be a good thing just don't get hung up on the culture war bullshit and make sure the dev inserts keep their accurate real life traits (9kbits MUST stay a eunuch he's been on HRT for 5+ years now IRL) and for the love of god please do something about open range feudalism (just remove it entirely if possible).

Looks like the last update was 7 months ago. Well, I hope they incorporate the bugfixes from the newly released Anniversary Edition (made as the final official CK2-ATE version by the remaining devs, fixing long running problems like the Cristo Rey coronation never working) while excising its bugs (like the aforementioned Hub of Ford conversion event firing every time you win a holy war, even if you're on the other side of the continent).

DA has been MIA for a while, not the first time he's just disappeared.
The Anniversary Edition much like the last full release is still trash; massive lag/STILL got the cowboy boats gfx bug, various unimplemented mechanics etc.
What the mod needs is a full rebasing, this is 10 year old shit now it can't be frankinsteined any better, strip out the map and slap it into clean slate and use GPT to convert the localisation over and it'll be 9/10 again instead of the 3/10 barely functional nostalgiabait slop we're currently stuck with.

Hah, yeah, this 'who am I to judge??' spiel is pretty much the exact pisspoor turbolib take I'd expect from a black Californian zoomer convert to Islam (specifically the idealized wholesome 100 sect that functionally only exists in his head) when called upon to justify why he works with some of the most deranged & insufferable trannies to have ever stalked a Discord instead of throwing them off the nearest rooftop. Meanwhile, actual Shiites in the real world like the Iranian mullahs consider troonery a punishment (the alternative being the death penalty) to inflict upon any fag they catch. Even if that anon wasn't actually Sayyid he at least did a damn good job of impersonating him, all right.

The funny lore about muslimdev is he actually had a massive falling out with the troon head of the fan fork and was eventually purged for the crime of not sucking girldick full throatedly enough, I have no recepits for this but the aftermath of it is all over old /vst/ generals.

 

[Sooty Soot]

DeposedAnon was very bootyblasted by the socjus shit anally injected into the last few versions of ATE which is why the rebound against the OCs was so hard; there were a LOT of them and they all had stupidly OP stats, the removals were out of vengeance and it felt good to see it happen at the time.

Is there a full list of these selfinserts? Apart from Zakariyya I never noticed any ingame

 

[Mound Dweller]

Is there a full list of these selfinserts? Apart from Zakariyya I never noticed any ingame

Oh man there's a LOT of them, not just self inserts either there's also a lot of meme pop culture references; the entire cast of "it's always sunny in Philadelphia" are in the court of Philly which is an actually funny joke and "Captain" Pickard Johnluke is a count in British Columbia, literally Mike Stoklasa is in Milwaukee etc.
Previous versions had them conveniently listed with #bios in the history.txt but then people noticed the massively bloated character file sizes so that got excised, they're pretty easy to spot though here is troondev as an example;

Above averages stats/long list of buff traits with random disallowed/character flags are the giveaways, they're not all bad many of them are just random courtiers but due to the OPness of some of them they pop up in annoyingly predictable circumstances, if you play the mod long enough you start to recognize them every game and it damages the fun.

 

[Chuckwagon]

DA has been MIA for a while, not the first time he's just disappeared.
The Anniversary Edition much like the last full release is still trash; massive lag/STILL got the cowboy boats gfx bug, various unimplemented mechanics etc.
What the mod needs is a full rebasing, this is 10 year old shit now it can't be frankinsteined any better, strip out the map and slap it into clean slate and use GPT to convert the localisation over and it'll be 9/10 again instead of the 3/10 barely functional nostalgiabait slop we're currently stuck with.

Yeah probably. Seems like it'd be a rather herculean undertaking though, a lot of spaghetti code must've been cooked up over the Fan Fork's lifespan.

I for one am inspired more-so to take an ax to JATE atm, as what's been left is a functional base that can be fairly easily modded still - somehow the devs managed to build a decent looking map that works in almost all aspects but forgot/were too lazy to set 99% of the provinces' terrain to match their RL counterparts (and what they look like on said map), resulting in the vast majority of their in-game map's terrain being set to the default 'plains' and making all those terrain specialist leader traits useless. Now that I no longer have to worry about future updates breaking everything I do with this mod, I can start working on fixing that: it's simple enough (just adding a terrain = desert/hills/whatever line to every province file and also setting provinces' winter conditions in the climate file), just really, really fucking tedious.

The funny lore about muslimdev is he actually had a massive falling out with the troon head of the fan fork and was eventually purged for the crime of not sucking girldick full throatedly enough, I have no recepits for this but the aftermath of it is all over old /vst/ generals.

I can believe that, I do recall occasions in the JATE Discord back when Sayyid was still active where he'd butt heads with some of the more outspoken(ly retarded) trannies in the server. Not the CHAZ guy even, just cunts so obnoxious they managed to crack his libshit programming and reawaken whatever spirit of throwing LGBTP+ types off rooftops still lingered within his soul every once in a while.



I'll say, it is supremely trannyesque to overreach & antagonize even the most liberal pseudo-Muslim imaginable who was trying to bend over backwards to accommodate your kind, so much so that he eventually snaps and starts pushing back hard enough to piss you off into purging him. The other tranny devs must feel the same way since to my understanding, CK3-ATE also cuts back massively on the presence of Zakariyya and the wish fulfilment Islamic religion he created (if they haven't eliminated it already, as said, I stick mainly to CK2 so I haven't been keeping up). Then again purging this nigga for wrongthink was probably inevitable, IIRC they purged their own kind (Nico, another longtime dev & artist) a while back in one of their periodic gay drama fits too.

 

[Computer God Autism]

All I'm getting out of this is that a proper AtE redux would need to get rid both of the muzzie and troonery nonsense to be playable, which would have been something I'd take for granted in a post-apocalyptic North American setting.