Community Debate Ethics in VTubing, Model Design and Voice Acting, Loli and Loli-adjacency - Containment zone for third rail enjoyers

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This nigger shows a screenshot going on about how "uhm no actually, me trying to say that these vtubers should band together against the semen demon is actually me saying that Saba is a honeypot"

what fucking normal person calls this a Semon demon?
You are still not answering my question why you dont provide a full screenshot.
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Besides looking like a dumbass, why do you intentionally want everyone to see you as someone that gives out false info?
 
That same screenshot doesnt help your case retard.
you provide partial screenshots just to purposely make yourself look like a moron when I provide the full screenshot talking about silvervale and not saba.
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I feel like you are more suited on the sharty than the farms if you are just trolling, if your not trolling than you have an actual mental deficiency. I don't even want to bother any further engagement from losing anymore braincells with you because I can just go do that tonight with some heavy alcohol.
 
For the love of god just go back to your thunderdome thread meant to debate this topic, or are you afraid to because people posted you sharing AI generated lolicon porn audio there of people like Fallenshadow, and if you're gonna try to call out @Null and call him "compromised" at least tag him so that maybe if we're lucky, he can finally free us of your retardation.
 
This thread is just like that right now cause everyone smells blood in the water.
Usually its pretty laid back, as long as you ignore blackjack.
Not gonna deny that overall things are more aggressive towards vtubing now tho, i think its cause its gotten much more main stream and popular.
I'm honestly just confused because Gura's new model just isn't a loli. There are so many vtubers that look like literal children and that's not her.
 
I feel like there should be a two part test on whether or not it's worth sperging about loli:
A: Is the person doing this specifically to cater to lolicons/ they themselves find it sexually attractive, or just because they find loli-aesthetics to be cute without sexualizing them?
B: Is it likely that the person has a desire to watch/act in a way to creates CSAM?

Just liking loli isn't good enough to prove that someone's a stinky IRL pedo. It's also not immune from criticism, just not like above.
 
Just liking loli isn't good enough to prove that someone's a stinky IRL pedo.
I'm fairly certain Rackets just likes cocaine, he's definitely not an addict who's hurt himself and those around him (including children).
Oh wait
 
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I'm fairly certain Rackets just likes cocaine, he's definitely not an addict who's hurt himself and those around him (including children).
Oh wait
if we saw Gura/saba alt tab to child porn then yes, you'd have a point. We saw Rackets do a line on stream.
 
if we saw Gura/saba alt tab to child porn then yes, you'd have a point. We saw Rackets do a line on stream.
And we've seen her do the child tummy shit on stream. She's not responsible for the actions of others, only her own. And what she has done is be an enabler to these animals for profit. Once had a similar talk with a buddy regarding lolicon shit and in his genuine retardation he asked the question "Well who's more evil? The person doing it or the person profiting off of it?"
Both, my guy. Both are
 
And we've seen her do the child tummy shit on stream. She's not responsible for the actions of others, only her own. And what she has done is be an enabler to these animals for profit. Once had a similar talk with a buddy regarding lolicon shit and in his genuine retardation he asked the question "Well who's more evil? The person doing it or the person profiting off of it?"
Both, my guy. Both are
>child tummy shit
meanwhile other vtubers have done the correction meme. It's just part of the culture. Is it weird, sure, but it's not enough evidence to make me think that they're all pedos. Do you mean "lolicons" or "irl pedophiles" when you say "these animals"? I'm hammering this home because its disingenuous to compare them to offenders in realspace. It's certainly possible that they're both, but without proof I just can't cosign it.

edit: to be clear, doing the child tummy shit is a dogwhistle to lolicons. It's proof of that. It's not proof of enabling irl sex criminals.
 
When I look at Saba, I just see a petite woman like myself. I feel this is similar to people believing that marrying a midget means the man is a pedophile. It's such a silly argument, I mean, are we saying that adult midget woman can't have love too?
This argument falls apart when you realize most non-loli vtubers are petite women. You don't have to portray yourself as a loli to represent yourself as a petite woman. I generally have a more generous view when it comes to what is a loli and what isn't but Saba is 4 heads tall. She does not look like a petite women and petite women do not look like that.
 
When I look at Saba, I just see a petite woman like myself. I feel this is similar to people believing that marrying a midget means the man is a pedophile. It's such a silly argument, I mean, are we saying that adult midget woman can't have love too?
I know women who are under 5 feet yet you won’t ever think they were a child because children and adults look different even if they’re the same height and Saba’s model looks a lot more like a child. A better comparison would be being attracted to someone that has a condition that prevents physical aging past a certain point.
 
When I look at Saba, I just see a petite woman like myself. I feel this is similar to people believing that marrying a midget means the man is a pedophile. It's such a silly argument, I mean, are we saying that adult midget woman can't have love too?
She has no hip to waist ratio. You're not a woman. No woman would look at that shit and think "oh my God she's literally me".

Btw most people aren't saying her performer is a pedophile just that she masturbates pedophiles for money.
 
This argument falls apart when you realize most non-loli vtubers are petite women. You don't have to portray yourself as a loli to represent yourself as a petite woman. I generally have a more generous view when it comes to what is a loli and what isn't but Saba is 4 heads tall. She does not look like a petite women and petite women do not look like that.
That argument doesn’t hold up. You’re pretending there’s some clean line between “petite woman” and “loli” based on head-to-body ratio but that’s not how vtuber design works. Being 4 heads tall isn’t some magic threshold that makes a character unambiguously a child.

No vtuber character looks like a real person. That’s the whole point of the style, it’s exaggerated and stylized. You’re using an arbitrary art metric as if it’s a moral boundary. Chibi characters, stylized mascots, even adults made with cartoonish proportions, they all exist. That doesn’t mean they’re coded as children. And when you're saying "You don't need to look like a loli to be petite", No one said you have to. The point is that petite characters come in many visual forms. Just because you see a short design and jump to “loli” doesn’t mean it was meant that way. You're projecting intent without considering voice, lore, behavior, any of the actual context that matters.

Again, this is a silly argument; it's the same people thinking Gothic Lolita encourages or endorses pedophilia, when it's just a victorian inspired Goth style.
 
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