Argue with Americans about how it's a sin against the God of Capital to stop a corpo from raping you

[Fox Girl Enjoyer]

I don't think charging ports are something so important that you need to regulate

Consider what it represents. Apple thought it was totally fine selling you a charging cable that you had to have for their devices. It wasn't better than what the market offered. It just made Apple more money to do it this way. And of course, they fought it because fuck the consumer.

This is why we need these regulations. It would be nice to live in a world where we can keep the government out of business and let it operate as efficiently as possible, but companies have proven if they can get a few pennies by fucking the consumer, then by hell or high water, they are going to do it. If anything, America is the one behind on consumer protections. These people took advantage of the free market and now it's time to pay the price. Let's up their taxes while we're at it.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I don't think charging ports are something so important that you need to regulate. Also this exact thinking led to the downfall of the european tech industry and car industry. You can't just make a normal affordable car, it has to have 6 million different green certifications so after that nobody living here can afford them thanks to the insanely low wages. And after other countries also started making cars (china) the export based industry just fucking collapsed.

Thinking regulating charging ports is pointless ignores saving people money and cutting e-waste. And the "downfall" of the EU car industry? It's an €81 billion trade surplus, not a collapse. Those green rules have a cost, but the health savings are five times bigger. The export industry didn't "fucking collapse" because of China, either. The EU is fighting back against their unfair subsidies. It's called competition and adaptation, not a catastrophe.

 

[The Entity]

Thinking regulating charging ports is pointless ignores saving people money and cutting e-waste. And the "downfall" of the EU car industry? It's an €81 billion trade surplus, not a collapse. Those green rules have a cost, but the health savings are five times bigger. The export industry didn't "fucking collapse" because of China, either. The EU is fighting back against their unfair subsidies. It's called competition and adaptation, not a catastrophe.

There are literal layoffs where they are getting rid of 100k+ people in the car industry. Companies make a profit because they are firing insane amounts of people not because they are actually doing so well.
Also lmao at e-waste. I don't give a shit about that green meme bullshit.

Consider what it represents. Apple thought it was totally fine selling you a charging cable that you had to have for their devices. It wasn't better than what the market offered. It just made Apple more money to do it this way. And of course, they fought it because fuck the consumer.

This is why we need these regulations. It would be nice to live in a world where we can keep the government out of business and let it operate as efficiently as possible, but companies have proven if they can get a few pennies by fucking the consumer, then by hell or high water, they are going to do it. If anything, America is the one behind on consumer protections. These people took advantage of the free market and now it's time to pay the price. Let's up their taxes while we're at it.

Apple still sells their own charging cables. If you think such a small thing like a charging cable (a 20 euro purchase) needs government intervention then I wonder what you think doesn't?

 

[Just_A_guy]

always describe some sort of facilities that you walk in and derive your entertainment from, like a restaurant, or a casino or an ice rink. Should l go on? An online multiplayer game is like that.

This completely ignores what the initiative is targeting in the first place. We are explicitly targeting this practice because it is an attempt by the industry to change property into a service while still reaping the benefits of both types of contractual agreement. You consistently describe what is a service when a Game is a product and as such falls under the laws of products and property. The exception to this would be for example WoW or FF14 which both clearly state there is a limited access period in exchange for a service fee. This is more targeting shit like Denuvo that forces your OFFLINE game to have a 100% always online connection just to validate the DRM that already is violating your rights.

Or if you would prefer an older example look at Securom for the Riddick games. DRM has been a consistent problem for games preservation even if you legitimately purchased the game. We don't need to fuck with metaphors or other faggotry here as well there are examples of the industry acting in a manner consistent with what SKG is about. Deadpool for example had a game it was delisted from steam due to license expiry (many such cases) but if you purchased it you can still download and play it from steam. SKG just seeks to make this standard.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

When they say 'No. They can end support and turn off servers whenever they want. But they have to do it in a responsible way' - that the 'responsible way' that's causing me problem. The moment you start saying 'I just want you to do it in a responsible way' you open the door for unlimited state intervention. I think it's crazy to look at the thing you love the most (clearly... video games) and go to the Commission, which is Satan, and say "kill it"

What can they do that they haven't done? Your argument is flip flopping between "video games are not important and don't deserve consumer protection" and "video games are an important gateway to possible laws controlling corporations and citizens", it's either one or the other. The irony is that if a software company tried to pull the same thing video game do, they'd be sued into oblivion by companies using their tech.

 

[derapples]

I'm MATI so rate me with top hats or whatever, but you know what really pisses me off about libertarians? Faggots like @MrSlongDong will throw a fit and write walls of text when someone tries to use state power to further their own interests, but conveniently ignore that corporations and owners of corporations use the state ALL THE FUCKING TIME. What the fuck do you think lobbying is? Or "campaign donations"? I'm American so I can't speak for euros, but here in burgerland corruption is essentially legal. Corporations have used state violence against its own citizens. Union railroad workers were KILLED BY FEDERAL TROOPS for striking in the 1890s. Literal wars have been started for the moneyed interests of corporations. But when I try to use the government to stop publishers from making me unable to play video games I like I'm literally killing the free market and ending innovation forever. Fuck off dude.

 

[MrSlongDong]

I'm MATI so rate me with top hats or whatever, but you know what really pisses me off about libertarians? Faggots like @MrSlongDong will throw a fit and write walls of text when someone tries to use state power to further their own interests, but conveniently ignore that corporations and owners of corporations use the state ALL THE FUCKING TIME. What the fuck do you think lobbying is? Or "campaign donations"? I'm American so I can't speak for euros, but here in burgerland corruption is essentially legal. Corporations have used state violence against its own citizens. Union railroad workers were KILLED BY FEDERAL TROOPS for striking in the 1890s. Literal wars have been started for the moneyed interests of corporations. But when I try to use the government to stop publishers from making me unable to play video games I like I'm literally killing the free market and ending innovation forever. Fuck off dude.

As a eurofag I can tell you that we won the war against the big corporations, the right to strike is a constitutional right protected by the law of many european countries. Every developer I know who was actually talented fucked off to Canada to develop games. We don't have a single studios and we produce nothing of interest. You can sing the international to that tune, you brave burger.

You don't know what you've got till it's gone

Spoiler: Next steps (we did it Reddit!)

Here is a picture of Jean Claude Junker describing the size of his dick when he received the petition

Now here is a picture of Monsieur Junker describing the size of his dick when your petition reached the required signature number

Here is a picture of Junker describing how he is going to split your anus with the new EU Fair Gaming Directive 18/44

 

[MrSlongDong]

Hello. I genuinely didn't know that there's a separate thread for SKG, perhaps because I rarely visit the subforum. May I come in? I like game preservation.

Well hello sir, and WELCOME! May I say that I like your profile picture, and your name, well it's amazing. It's got such a nice ring to it. I say it to myself when I fall asleep. Vince McMahon! Is that a reference to American businessman and former wrestling promoter, co-founder of WWE and owner of Alpha Entertainment? Who is also known for his on-screen character Mr. McMahon. Good one!

I take rainbow stickers, even a hat will do.

 

[Croak & Caw]

As a eurofag I can tell you that we won the war against the big corporations, the right to strike is a constitutional right protected by the law of many european countries. Every developer I know who was actually talented fucked off to Canada to develop games. We don't have a single studios and we produce nothing of interest. You can sing the international to that tune, you brave burger.

To be fair, a lot of digital shit is hosted in US because they have freedom of speech laws and section 230 (correct me if I am wrong). I do agree that lobbying is weird as shit. I remember watching some Rossmann videos about him trying to push repair laws and it was horrifying.

Congratulations on 1 mil btw

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

As a eurofag I can tell you that we won the war against the big corporations, the right to strike is a constitutional right protected by the law of many european countries. Every developer I know who was actually talented fucked off to Canada to develop games. We don't have a single studios and we produce nothing of interest

Can you stop being such a fucking boot licking nigger faggot?
The EU has some of the largest developers and publishers on Earth,
Like your bulllshit is so fucking gay and retarded it doesn't pass first sniff.
Helldivers 2 is one of the largest games on Earth and published in the past 3 years and was made by a Swedish B tier company with sub 250 devs.

But you don't care you are looking for hammers to strike your imaginary nails. Lolbetarianism doesn't provide a remedy for Scammers. There is no course of action for fighting those who break contracts or change contracts. So you distract by using some bullshit chart that ignores things like Siemens a giant company in the realm of automation that every manufacturer depends on. If we lived in your Lolbetarian paradise I would be besieging Ubisoft headquarters with a private militia for daring to make Anno 2070 temporarily unplayable do to live service bullshit. But we don't live in your lolbetard utopia, nor do YOU want us to live in it.

The world we live in is one where the Internet is a public venture that has had private companies sponsored or subsidized by the state. Where mega corporations get given tax cuts and subsidies out of my pocket to produce their games.
I will not sit idly by while the companies that pay less tax than me and get benefits that I don't get to erase the culture of my people for profit. I will use the most roids abusing muscle bound rape ape possible for them to comply to my whims. And I will not accept the premise of whiny faggots that this is wrong.

If lolbetards were worth anything they would champion for the death of copyright, trademarks and patents. But you don't you give moral value to meaningless things. If the market was free than it wouldn't matter who discovered a product first but who could saturate the market first for the lowest price. Instead you pretend that it's some sacrifice for a company to fulfil their contracts. I payed for a game. A piece of code arranged in a certain way. The code can't be used up over time or worn down with age. At worst it can be corrupted. But that is easily remedied by copying clean code. A game, any software should be infinitely available. I could store back ups on my own and nothing should stop me legally from fixing and maintaining my own code until the end times.

Saying that a company can't make it so their code is perpetually available is nigger cattle thinking that scammers abuse. You should put everything necessary to maintain your code in the commercial release. Failure to do so is a breach of both the letter and the law of the contract and I will send death squads to find you and recover all lost value.

 

[SoupEater]

A lot of the answers were cropped but I think I got the point.

Could be a device thing. I was able to expand all quotes normally on mobile, perhaps you could try again. The video itself probably covered a lot more bases than I did in my post, so if you haven't already, I urge you to check it out.

Anyhow, regarding the rest of your post, you'd probably get a lot less flak if that last point was the primary argument. However, do note that a big theme of SKG (and this initiative in this particular) is the willingness for compromises, and how this is all untreaded territories. You already seem to agree that gaming is cucked in some aspects and demand for change exists. A consumer movement on this scale will hurt the makers' bottom line as well as other unintended side effects, and should this gets to the legislation stage, the lawmakers, the corpos, and the activists/consumers each get a voice on the bargaining table. This is where the initiative's vague phrasing comes into play - everyone already has some wiggle room of sorts. From there, it's pretty much a fierce battle. F2P games being what they are, for example, would necessitate a nuanced discussion and bring forth the best middle ground for all parties.

In the worst case scenario, the initiative may not pass, but there will be an answer. That is what everyone should be looking forward to, how gaming is viewed at large by normal people and the powers that be. Until then, it's best to maintain a healthy balance of optimism.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Well hello sir, and WELCOME! May I say that I like your profile picture, and your name, well it's amazing. It's got such a nice ring to it. I say it to myself when I fall asleep. Vince McMahon! Is that a reference to American businessman and former wrestling promoter, co-founder of WWE and owner of Alpha Entertainment? Who is also known for his on-screen character Mr. McMahon. Good one!

I take rainbow stickers, even a hat will do.

I will shit in your mouth and you'll do nothing about it. Now kiss my shoes, nigger.

 

[MrSlongDong]

Can you stop being such a fucking boot licking nigger faggot?
The EU has some of the largest developers and publishers on Earth,
Like your bulllshit is so fucking gay and retarded it doesn't pass first sniff.
Helldivers 2 is one of the largest games on Earth and published in the past 3 years and was made by a Swedish B tier company with sub 250 devs.

I'm not a libertarian and I'm fucking tired of retards calling me one because I disagree with creating more regulation in an already over-regulated environment that is stale! Which is where I happen to live! I never said the Europeans were stupid, they have the ideas, and the desire to create. The Americans are not better than us, they just have a better environment that support the inherent creating aspiration of our people. Helldivers 2 exists (made by Arrowhead in Sweden) but it's just one success story. Look at the big picture: Ubisoft is headquartered in France but most of its actual development happens in Montreal, Toronto, and other places outside the EU because EU labor rules and taxes make AAA budgets unworkable. Same with CD Projekt in Poland — they’re an outlier that got huge with Witcher 3 but they bleed talent to the UK, Canada, and the US all the time because the market is more attractive there. Meanwhile, massive EU legacy studios like Crytek or Lionhead either downsized, relocated, or died off because the region’s cost structures and bureaucracy choke them.
You don't understand this, because either you don't live here in Europe or you live here but just sit on your ass all day and never tried to start a business. The red tape and rules here are impossible to navigate and without a legal team to back you up you are going to get fucked over from the very start. The EU’s hyper-regulated labor environment protects some workers but it doesn’t create value. It pushes highly mobile talent to freer markets where they keep more of what they earn. That’s why you see constant brain drain in software, tech, and gaming. The EU’s foreign investment policies are mostly about begging foreign tech companies to open local offices so they can tax them more

But you don't care you are looking for hammers to strike your imaginary nails. Lolbetarianism doesn't provide a remedy for Scammers. There is no course of action for fighting those who break contracts or change contracts. So you distract by using some bullshit chart that ignores things like Siemens a giant company in the realm of automation that every manufacturer depends on. If we lived in your Lolbetarian paradise I would be besieging Ubisoft headquarters with a private militia for daring to make Anno 2070 temporarily unplayable do to live service bullshit. But we don't live in your lolbetard utopia, nor do YOU want us to live in it.

You don’t understand how contract law or basic market accountability works. There is already a remedy for scams and broken contracts — it’s called contract law, existing consumer protection law, and the courts. If a company sells you a product that doesn’t do what they promised, you can sue them for breach of contract, if you bought a video game and they deactivate it remotely, then claim a refund. You can already do those things. You don't have a right to continue playing a game on a server that's shutting down. That the difference between sale and subscription. The ToS are written to make clear that when you were playing WoW online you were buying access, not perpetual ownership of a service the company is forced to maintain at a loss forever. It's not my fault you don't understand this. The rules don't change for you because you have an emotional attachment to the product you use! This logic doesn't even apply to free to play games and everybody is just completely ignoring this aspect.

Siemens is one of the few major ‘success stories’ people in Europe point to but Siemens is not the same as a fresh, from-scratch creative company like the ones that actually matter in a modern economy like the US. Siemens is an old, industrial-era giant that survives because it’s entrenched in infrastructure, government contracts, and highly protected sectors. It demonstrate exactly what I'm saying. Europe is not a place where you can launch the next Apple, Google, or Nvidia.

This chart shows you exactly what’s happening, I shared it because I assumed people would actually look at it and draw their own conclusion but you donb't do that. It shows you something you don't want to see, so you brush it off and go "muh Siemens"

Here is what's happening, the US, with far less regulation, has produced a massive group of new high-tech companies worth trillions — Apple, Google, Amazon, Tesla, Nvidia, Microsoft, all under 50 years old. Meanwhile, Europe’s side is a tiny cluster of bubbles. This is the result of the EU’s obsession with top-down industrial era control, labor law and workers micromanagement, high taxation, and bureaucracy.

Siemens is a dinosaur. It’s a good example of how Europe can preserve legacy engineering giants built under very different conditions, but it shows that Europe fails at creating new companies. So your argument that big companies bad, doesn't really sound true, nigger when you suck the cock of old industrial giants. It sounds a lot like your opinion just follows whatever you want to get that day. Where are Europe’s tech giants? Where are Europe’s semiconductor companies? Where is Europe’s equivalent to SpaceX, or even Netflix? Response, not on this chart and not anywhere. They don’t exist. So I get it that the SKG petition is so important to you but don't fucking tell me how it works here. When entrepreneurs try in Europe, they get buried in labor rules, tax compliance, and red tape before they can ever scale up. So they leave just Europe’s best game devs and startups. All of my friends who were devs, moved to Canada or the US.

Europe is not a place for the little guy and I'm not a libertarian for pointing these things out. Creating more rules is not good for us. Especially when you haven't even thought how these rules are going to apply. You just poked the Commission and now they are going to do what they always do. Fuck us. Have a happy 4th of July

I will use the most roids abusing muscle bound rape ape possible

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[The Entity]

This chart shows you exactly what’s happening, I shared it because I assumed people would actually look at it and draw their own conclusion but you donb't do that. It shows you something you don't want to see, so you brush it off and go "muh Siemens"

This all doesn't matter as the niggercattle already decided that everything must be regulated. Ignore the fact that the EU tech market is dead in the waters or that siemens just laid off 8% of its workforce a few months ago.
My bing bing wahoo online edition will have bots so I can play 2 more matches offline before I get bored with it so it's fine that the whole of the european union is turning into an open air museum with no industry to speak of.
Literally any competent dev is and has been fucking off from the eu because thanks to all these bullshit laws
1. there are barely any tech companies
2. the tech companies that are present have a lot fewer jobs than people signing up for them
3. because of that the wages are bordering minimum wage in a lot of cases especially at smaller companies
In the meantime every country in the EU has been raising taxes further strangling that remaining little middle class that still exists here.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Code itself can ‘last forever’ in theory

Nigger, code lasts as long as storage containing it lasts i.e. hard drives. If it transferred into another drive it still works if environment is the same.
Verdict - you are retarded gorilla nigger

 

[MrSlongDong]

I will shit in your mouth and

 

[Lovely Kin]

You cannot hate libertarians enough.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

they’re an outlier that got huge with Witcher 3 but they bleed talent to the UK, Canada, and the US all the time because the market is more attractive there. Meanwhile, massive EU legacy studios like Crytek or Lionhead either downsized, relocated, or died off because the region’s cost structures and bureaucracy choke them.

Don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.
Crytek was never massive and Crytek is doing just fine they make their money selling software not video games but Hunt was really successful anyhow.
THQ came back from the dead. Paradox is as strong as always despite feuding CEOs.
Ubisoft has close down multiple studios in Canada in America and the only studio making money for them Is Blue Byte in Germany.
The European Gaming market is healthier than the US gaming market. EU has not been plagued by a decade of ESG, DEI and other corporate top down pushes to politicize games in a veign attempt to get capital gains. If you tell me one more time blatant bullshit about a subject I am well familiar with I will just call you names and leave it at that.
Veilguard and Concord were US made garbage and just the tip of the iceberg of shit nobody plays while Paradox is making DLC for decades old games while making new games in the same genre.
In fact most EU fuck ups were published by US or other foreign companies.

You don't have a right to continue playing a game on a server that's shutting down.

I do you stupid fucking nigger. I bought it. The store, the dev, the payment processor, the bank, the tax man. All agree I PURCHASED a PRODUCT. Which means I own it and can use it how and when ever I please. The publisher/developer don't have a right to tell me how I use something I own nor can they retroactively decide I don't own something. I didn't purchase a subscription, we're not talking about WoW.
If you disagree with this then there is no talking to you, you simply suck too much corporate dick to have a functional brain.
I will explain this as dumbly as possible so you can get it through your thick skull.
Most games for the past decade require an internet connection to an authenticator of sorts to run. Regardless of being multiplayer or singleplayer. Those authenticators run on servers. Those servers can be shut off. When they are shut off the game you BOUGHT doesn't work anymore. Many games have become no longer available to the people who BOUGHT them and there is no remedy or punishment for this do to how laws currently stand. The goal of SKG is to change those laws to make it so that this scenario would be illegal and you could get a remedy for it. Ideally the ability to circumvent or run on your own the authenticator. The games don't need the authenticator to function as some games have been hacked to circumvent it. It's just a tool by the merchant to destroy the product you bought.
And I put extra emphasis on BOUGHT. As in you purchased a product, and item. Something you own. None of this temporary license or perpetual license or shit like that. The goal is to make it so the laws change so they can't do stupid license shit.

This chart shows you exactly what’s happening, I shared it because I assumed people would actually look at it and draw their own conclusion but you donb't do that. It shows you something you don't want to see, so you brush it off and go "muh Siemens"

All your stupid chart shows is that the US has a much larger stock market than anywhere else. How many of those companies are fully American?
Almost none of them. In fact you will have companies that have their HQ and production entirely outside of the US they just use the US stock market to generate more revenue. Which makes perfect sense because the US is the biggest import market on the planet and the EU combined is still less than them.
And I don't need to follow your retarded line of reasoning about regulation. When you get down to brass tacks this doesn't fucking matter nigger. I don't give a flying about the EU being too stifling for companies. The EU is giving me a tool to force companies to act right and I will use it. I get nothing from arguing with you over this stupid shit, nor do you. Unless you are running your own initiative to make the EU deregulate it's self all you are doing is blowing hot air.

Europe is not a place for the little guy and

It's the best place in the world for the littlest guy, the consumer.
If forcing your games to act like any other product even other digital media does makes it impossible for you to run a business, then I don't want you to run a business.

I'm not a libertarian for pointing these things out.

"I'm not a communist I just parrot what Karl Marx said and I just conveniently attack counter revolutionaries."

 

[The Entity]

EU has not been plagued by a decade of ESG, DEI and other corporate top down pushes to politicize games

Where are you getting this? The EU itself is what funded Dustborn. The EU is what mandates certain % of females in managerial positions. The EU is pushing all the ESG shit everywhere. The EU literally has an "LGBTIQ strategy" that is all about promoting gay pedo shit everywhere including the workforce.

All your stupid chart shows is that the US has a much larger stock market than anywhere else.

You are also free to look up open job positions in the EU, or median wages or just in general think of any tech that is produced here. It's all pretty much nothing and there is a reason for it. And it's not just IT that's dying in the eu but every single other industry. The EU managed to turn one of the richest regions in the world into a stagnating dead open air museum.

It's the best place in the world for the littlest guy, the consumer.

It's the best place in the world if all you care about is living on government assistance and playing video games and smoking weed.
It's the worst fucking place when it comes to finding a job, paying taxes or buying anything thanks to the world highest VAT rates and high import taxes. Or when it comes to running a business which is why so many are leaving leading to worse and worse living conditions.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

The EU itself is what funded Dustborn.

Dustborn was funded by Norway and the US and was a small shit game with a budget of around a million while Concord burned over 400 million USD. If you talk about Norway in a discussion about the EU then I doubt you can provide any insight.

The EU literally has an "LGBTIQ strategy" that is all about promoting gay pedo shit everywhere including the workforce.

And I never once had to interact with such a thing because all EU initiatives outside of regulations require the local government to opt in. Again you don't seem to know much about the EU. You clearly have some sort of ideological view of it and will not allow reality to shatter it.

It's the best place in the world if all you care about is living on government assistance and playing video games and smoking weed.

Have you ever been to the EU?