Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[John Andrews Stan]

claims the two properties are "under contract" but he desperately needs an investor because they need to close in July.

The urgency alone is a huge red flag for everyone except those as retarded as Russ. Anyone trying to make real estate deals on LinkedIn is not a legitimate pro. My God he is hilariously clueless.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

"are under contract to me" is interesting wording.

We can translate this as follows: 'They haven't replied to my emails or returned my calls yet, but they haven't told me to fuck off either, so all we need to do is sign the contacts and start building. Grand opening will be August 1st 2025.'

I wonder if Greer V Moon being cited in the Sony case will bring Russell's ex attorneys out of the woodwork.

 

[Swole McPole]

I bet she quickly found out he was a scamming freak and shut him down.

Who introduces an unknown pimp to their network of investors without doing due diligence? That's why Russell will fight this case until his dying breath. He needs to be able to conceal as much as he can about his rotten misogynistic past.

I know IFP was revoked in May, so he can't be hanged on IFP fraud now. He repeatedly claims he is able to pay the sanction, he is just unwilling due to Hardin's multi-state crime spree.

Greer had his sanctions reduced from $5000 to $1000 on the basis that he was IFP. If he was lying about his financial status here, Hardin/Null should be made whole for $4k the judge spunked up against the wall.

 

[obsdj]

I bet she quickly found out he was a scamming freak and shut him down.

It's equally (maybe even more) likely that she herself is a savvy scammer and got him to fork over a membership fee or something to get into her investors' circle.

 

[iudex]

Life hack for all lurkers who get tired of seeing the same ~5 posters make 60 posts a day with no updates until the thread gets locked again: you can sign up for email notifications of new filings on Court Listener.

Just putting that out there before the inevitable happens again.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Life hack for all lurkers who get tired of seeing the same ~5 posters make 60 posts a day with no updates until the thread gets locked again: you can sign up for email notifications of new filings on Court Listener.

Just putting that out there before the inevitable happens again.

Hey, this time it's still basically on topic and no one even mentioned Greer's penis.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Not if you are IFP. I've heard it's fun and easy to just fake it. Just say all your cash is reserved for your business.

it's easy if you're in prison or otherwise being prosecuted by the state- indigent or pro se defendants in a criminal case get a lot of leeway in appeals, even to scotus. Not so much for nutcases bringing or trying to involve themselves in civil suits. Just not the same skin in the game.

I mean, except for Russ, of course. He could scribble some nonsense on a napkin in crayon and it would somehow be seen as 'close enough.'

 

[Irene and 22 others]

Greer had his sanctions reduced from $5000 to $1000 on the basis that he was IFP. If he was lying about his financial status here, Hardin/Null should be made whole for $4k the judge spunked up against the wall.

Since Greer does not appear intent on paying the $1,000 $1,500 he presently owes, it may creep back up to $5,000 eventually. If this case ever does get dismissed, Greer will file an appeal, at which point Null can cross-appeal the improper reduction in sanctions. Given the clear wording of the law, and the complete lack of explanation by the district judge as to why he saw fit to reduce the sanctions to $1,000, there is a good chance that Greer pays the full amount, or is at least ordered to pay the full amount.

Hardin has several other motions for sanctions before the court as well. Whether those are ruled on before or along with the magistrate judge's ruling on the motion to dismiss remains to be seen, but the district judge seems less likely to reduce the amount awarded for those as he is no doubt tired of Greer's antics himself and would have to invent a new reason for doing so as Greer's IFP status has been removed.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I am convinced that the only reason why Greer v. Moon is being cited by both sides as supporting their argument is that both of them are using AI to do case research, and the AI thinks it is an important case because we have over a thousand pages of posts discussing it, whereas most other copyright cases usually get 2-3 blog posts.

I decided to ask Grok. I think you may be correct. Even the AI gets the basic fact patterns of the case wrong. Disturbingly, Grok thinks the precedent of the case is "Significant".

​

Spoiler: The case according to Grok

The Greer v. Moon case, decided by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit on October 16, 2023, is a significant ruling addressing contributory copyright infringement. Below is a clear and concise explanation of the case and the Tenth Circuit’s ruling, based on available information:

Background​

• Plaintiff: Russell G. Greer, a pro se litigant (representing himself), who suffers from facial paralysis and became a target of online harassment after filing a lawsuit against Taylor Swift in 2016.
• Defendants: Joshua Moon and his website, Kiwi Farms, an online forum known for targeting and discussing individuals deemed "eccentric or weird," often including those with disabilities.
• Facts: Greer authored a copyrighted book, Why I Sued Taylor Swift and How I Became Falsely Known as Frivolous, Litigious and Crazy, and a song, I Don’t Get You, Taylor Swift. These works were posted on Kiwi Farms without his consent, leading to further harassment. Greer sent a Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown notice to Moon, who not only refused to remove the material but also posted the notice and Greer’s contact information on Kiwi Farms, mocking him in an email and encouraging further infringement by users.
• District Court: The U.S. District Court for the District of Utah dismissed Greer’s claims, including contributory copyright infringement, for failure to state a claim under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6). The court ruled that Greer did not sufficiently allege that Moon or Kiwi Farms induced or encouraged the initial infringement. Greer appealed.

Tenth Circuit Ruling​

The Tenth Circuit reversed the district court’s dismissal and remanded the case for further proceedings, finding that Greer had plausibly alleged contributory copyright infringement. Key points of the ruling:

1. Contributory Copyright Infringement:
   • Contributory liability arises when a party “knowingly induces, encourages, or materially contributes to” copyright infringement by others. The Tenth Circuit clarified that this does not require the defendant to have caused the initial infringement, rejecting the district court’s narrower interpretation.
   • The court held that Moon’s actions—refusing to remove the infringing material, reposting the DMCA takedown notice, and actively encouraging Kiwi Farms users to continue infringing—went beyond “merely permitting” infringement. These actions constituted material contribution to the ongoing infringement.
2. Key Findings:
   • Greer’s pro se complaint, construed liberally, alleged sufficient facts to survive a motion to dismiss. Specifically, Moon’s conduct, including posting Greer’s takedown notice and contact information and refusing to remove the copyrighted material, amounted to encouragement of direct infringement by Kiwi Farms users.
   • The court emphasized that contributory liability applies to ongoing and repeated infringements, not just the initial act of infringement. Moon’s active participation in the forum and his refusal to comply with the DMCA notice distinguished his behavior from passive hosting.
3. Legal Precedent:
   • The court relied on precedents like Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd., 545 U.S. 913 (2005), which established that distributing a device or service with the intent to promote copyright infringement can lead to liability.
   • It distinguished this case from situations where a service provider merely hosts infringing content without active encouragement, noting Moon’s direct involvement as both the site operator and a user.

 

[obsdj]

the complete lack of explanation by the district judge as to why he saw fit to reduce the sanctions to $1,000

Well, remember, he did explain. The explanation was "This is his first sanction" and "He's IFP," which at the time was true. What he didn't explain was why he chose to flout the law that says he should have given Defendants a chance to respond before granting Greer's bitching motion.

In any event, even if the full $5,000 were back in play, he has cost the defense way more in the intervening time with all his bullshitting and fuckery requiring more and more motions and filings to be entered just to keep the court apprised of all his lies and tricks.

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

So the mystery investors that definitely exist suddenly can't give him the 100K to buy an empty plot? He'll probably explain in his next plightspering how Hardin killed the investors with stress from his emailing of Winnemucca city employees.

Surely an empty plot that's zoned for a brothel would be publicly listed. Also if it's only $40K it must be in the absolute middle of nowhere if even that Christian group that bought the Cherry Brothel isn't getting it.

Let us assume that Greee gets a hypothetical investor to give him money... What are the odds that he just deposits that money into his personal account instead of one for business?

If Greee get's sanctioned and subject to a debtor's examination, I would be very curious to see where he keeps his money that is 'reserved for business'--if not under his mattress in damp single notes.

 

[Jotch]

I wonder if these strange and baffling parts and quirks of Greer's filings are similar to how a speedrunner of old games would manipulate the game's random outcomes with precise and meaningless movements.

Perhaps Greer is impossibly smart and we are too foolish to see it.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Let us assume that Greee gets a hypothetical investor to give him money... What are the odds that he just deposits that money into his personal account instead of one for business?

If Greee get's sanctioned and subject to a debtor's examination, I would be very curious to see where he keeps his money that is 'reserved for business'--if not under his mattress in damp single notes.

Greer says he uses an E-bank which makes me wonder why he doesn't just have a normal checking account. If I had to guess the best he actually has is money earmarked as his hooker money until it's proven that he actually set up a business account for his LLC.

I wonder if these strange and baffling parts and quirks of Greer's filings are similar to how a speedrunner of old games would manipulate the game's random outcomes with precise and meaningless movements.

Perhaps Greer is impossibly smart and we are too foolish to see it.

Greer's legal strategies are based on how he personally interprets the law and and more importantly how he desires the law to be. He just thinks he's already won, like when he sued Taylor Swift a second time and thought he was gonna win $100 million or something by default, when actually he served the wrong entity.

 

[Napoleon III]

Huh? It's this case.

My apologies I thought you were talking about Greer filing a reply to the amicus brief filed by Hardin

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Greer's legal strategies are based on how he personally interprets and desires the law to be.

Sounds like wishful inking.

 

[obsdj]

Let us assume that Greee gets a hypothetical investor to give him money... What are the odds that he just deposits that money into his personal account instead of one for business?

If Greee get's sanctioned and subject to a debtor's examination, I would be very curious to see where he keeps his money that is 'reserved for business'--if not under his mattress in damp single notes.

I hope if such an exam is ever conducted, that whoever is doing it remembers to ask specifically about his PayPal, Venmo, CashApp, etc. accounts in addition to any normal bank accounts. He would absolutely pull a "Those aren't bank accounts so technically I didn't lie" by failing to disclose them.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Sounds like wishful inking.

Greer's entire life is wishful thinking and then tantrums and threats of suicide (and homicide, given the existence of the kill list he made) when life doesn't magically proceed as he thought it should.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I hope if such an exam is ever conducted, that whoever is doing it remembers to ask specifically about his PayPal, Venmo, CashApp, etc. accounts in addition to any normal bank accounts. He would absolutely pull a "Those aren't bank accounts so technically I didn't lie" by failing to disclose them.

Debtors’ exams are extremely fucking serious and typically conducted in the presence of a judge, magistrate, or court-appointed examiner. (The creditor’s attorney or the court may conduct the questioning.) The debtor can be compelled by threat of incarceration to answer — and provide documentation to prove what they say.

Point is the questioner isn’t just some hourly paper pusher. They know their shit, including all the ways dickheads like Russ think they can evade compliance.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Debtors’ exams are extremely fucking serious and typically conducted in the presence of a judge, magistrate, or court-appointed examiner. (The creditor’s attorney or the court may conduct the questioning.) The debtor can be compelled by threat of incarceration to answer — and provide documentation to prove what they say.

Point is the questioner isn’t just some hourly paper pusher. They know their shit, including all the ways dickheads like Russ think they can evade compliance.

Patrick Tomlinson did somehow manage to blow off his debtors exam. But he did end up paying Quasi, like nearly triple what he would have originally had to with fees and interest adding on.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Patrick Tomlinson did somehow manage to blow off his debtors exam. But he did end up paying Quasi, like nearly triple what he would have originally had to with fees and interest adding on.

He and his wife failed to uphold the agreement they signed and yes, blew off the debtor’s exam to take their chances in court. Pat wrote a filing so disastrous that it appears his wife arranged behind his back for her mother to pay the full amount. But they at least had their strip mall lawyer to tard wrangle Pat in court that day, when he seemed to learn about the payment there and then.

Russ doesn’t even have a strip mall lawyer. I hope he tries to get slick. It’s always worked out so well for him!