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Insane narratives are being spread in the GrapheneOS chat room:
Harassment is when you document Daniel Micay's behavior, apparently.
The LLM user he's referring to is probably some troll named @nullpointerunexception, but as we'll see later, Daniel constantly replies to him rather than ignoring him.
"They're just projecting their claims of mental illness"
He doesn't explicitly say he's going after F-Droid's funding but he heavily implies he will.
There's only an enormous amount of documentation because you write an enormous amount of sperging, Daniel. All of our documentation is just republishing your own words. That's it! So we don't need to provide any evidence besides proving that you published those words, which we do with archives, and in the worst case, screenshots. (None of which have been faked, or else other people would call us out and post the real screenshots.)
Meanwhile you continually accuse Louis Rossmann and anybody who links his video of supporting harassment, of the sort that led to your swatting. You continue to assert that:
Continuing:
"GOS is attacked because it's successful"
No, GrapheneOS is not being attacked, but rather people are defending themselves against serious accusations of harassment coming from you.
GrapheneOS user explicitly encourages people to go after the funding of projects that are "openly hostile" to them.
It's refreshing and a bit unexpected to see Micay explicitly saying people aren't attacking him, but I don't believe him on this.
>GrapheneOS uses and promotes both Monero and Mullvad.
Mullvad is only in the "not quite enemies yet" list (i.e. no claims of harassment) but you still said they spread misinformation about GrapheneOS and you banned all links to mullvad.net in your chats. Seth Simmons (one of your enemies) is a huge figure in the Monero community.
>GrapheneOS has never had any contact with Curtis Yarvin.
>Curtis Yarvin is a fascist we've never had contact with who probably doesn't even know we exist.
Yes, but you claimed that he's tied to FUTO (and Louis Rossmann by proxy), who is an enemy. This seems to be a part of why you hate FUTO.
>BeaconDB, Cromite, Fairphone and Mozilla aren't attacking us.
You said BeaconDB has "engaged in extensive attacks on GrapheneOS". You said the Cromite developers have made themselves "a significant part" of "the swatting attacks targeting me in April [2023] and other escalations." You said Fairphone are "heavily supporting and promoting scammers who are heavily involved in attacks on GrapheneOS." You claimed that you were harassed by the Mozilla community after you pointed out that Firefox lacked security features.
>LineageOS and postmarketOS have tons of developers, many of them supporting us and a minority attacking us.
This is the only bit of nuance here, but you never had this sort of nuance when you named LineageOS as containing people from the Android modding community that harasses you. Also, you told somebody to not ask LineageOS users about GrapheneOS because they will likely spread misinformation and harass you. At least one postmarketOS developer is an enemy.
Look, if I ran a project and it had harassers and swatters, I would not want them! I don't want them as a developer or as a community member, I would ban them immediately. To do otherwise would be to condone harassing and swatting. So it's weird to see this more nuanced standard when you have never pushed for it before.
Anyway, Daniel keeps replying to this obvious troll who is now using flowery language indicative of an LLM:
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Here are a few interesting things. Micay claims that Techlore heavily altered his screenshots:
"Henry's heavily altered screenshots showing the impact of his existing attacks on GrapheneOS don't demonstrate his false narratives."
I don't see how he "heavily altered" them.
Micay on proof of his swatting:
"If you want proof of the swatting attacks, you can get it from the Toronto police department."
"The swatting attacks are public record. People can obtain confirmation of it through the Toronto police records."
"I've provided details about the swatting attacks and it's a verifiable public record. People can obtain information about it from the Toronto police department records and people have done so."
I would be interested to know who has obtained these police records, because nobody has as far as I know. In fact, I tried to obtain these records with the assistance of a Canadian citizen but the government has not responded yet.
(Just to reiterate, I still believe that Micay got swatted on the basis that he's extremely bad at providing evidence and this doesn't seem like something he would lie about in so much detail.)
Harassment is when you document Daniel Micay's behavior, apparently.
The LLM user he's referring to is probably some troll named @nullpointerunexception, but as we'll see later, Daniel constantly replies to him rather than ignoring him.
"They're just projecting their claims of mental illness"
He doesn't explicitly say he's going after F-Droid's funding but he heavily implies he will.
There's only an enormous amount of documentation because you write an enormous amount of sperging, Daniel. All of our documentation is just republishing your own words. That's it! So we don't need to provide any evidence besides proving that you published those words, which we do with archives, and in the worst case, screenshots. (None of which have been faked, or else other people would call us out and post the real screenshots.)
Meanwhile you continually accuse Louis Rossmann and anybody who links his video of supporting harassment, of the sort that led to your swatting. You continue to assert that:
- Louis Rossmann knew about the swatting at the time he published his video,
- Louis Rossmann made the video specifically so Kiwi Farms could go after you and harass you,
- Louis Rossmann knows about the KF thread on you,
- Kiwi Farms harasses you,
- Louis Rossmann still uses GrapheneOS (this destroys his credibility apparently).
- "Rossmann knew about swatting"
Your evidence: None, as far as I know.
What evidence is expected: Literally anything. For example, a screenshot of Rossmann saying "I know you got swatted but I'll publish my video anyway." - "Rossmann made the video for KF"
Your evidence: None, except claiming there are Kiwi Farms "tropes" in the video. This is bad for your case because we now argue over what the fuck those things are, and now you have to convince people of the theory that "KF tropes" necessarily mean somebody made a video intending for a KF thread to be made.
It's also bad because I can testify that I created the thread by myself with no help or encouragement from Rossmann, so I can confidently say that Rossmann did not expect me to create the KF thread. To say anything more requires evidence, like...
What evidence is expected: Again, something like a screenshot of Rossmann saying so. - "Rossmann knows about Micay's KF thread"
Your evidence: None, besides linking to Rossmann's user page on KF, I guess. That shows that he only posts in his own thread which is entirely unrelated to yours. If anything, that's evidence against your claim, not supporting it.
What evidence is expected: It could be as something as simple as somebody asking him about Micay's thread on a livestream. - "Kiwi Farms harasses Micay"
Your evidence: None, besides linking to this thread where all we do is discuss you. We don't ever discuss any plans of harassment.
What evidence is expected: Screenshots of KF posters talking about trolling you on Twitter, planning to harass you in the Discord, etc. - "Rossmann still uses GOS"
Your evidence: A video where he explicitly says "this is my coworker's phone" before playing a screen recording that shows signs that it was taken on GrapheneOS.
What evidence is expected: That but without him saying it's his coworker's phone.
Admittedly, you have the most evidence here but you still have to square this with negative evidence, that is, direct evidence of him no longer using GrapheneOS. For many reasons I won't get into in this post, I also disagree with your implication that if he still uses Graphene, he's a liar and shouldn't be trusted.
Continuing:
"GOS is attacked because it's successful"
No, GrapheneOS is not being attacked, but rather people are defending themselves against serious accusations of harassment coming from you.
GrapheneOS user explicitly encourages people to go after the funding of projects that are "openly hostile" to them.
There's more after this:
It's refreshing and a bit unexpected to see Micay explicitly saying people aren't attacking him, but I don't believe him on this.
>GrapheneOS uses and promotes both Monero and Mullvad.
Mullvad is only in the "not quite enemies yet" list (i.e. no claims of harassment) but you still said they spread misinformation about GrapheneOS and you banned all links to mullvad.net in your chats. Seth Simmons (one of your enemies) is a huge figure in the Monero community.
>GrapheneOS has never had any contact with Curtis Yarvin.
>Curtis Yarvin is a fascist we've never had contact with who probably doesn't even know we exist.
Yes, but you claimed that he's tied to FUTO (and Louis Rossmann by proxy), who is an enemy. This seems to be a part of why you hate FUTO.
>BeaconDB, Cromite, Fairphone and Mozilla aren't attacking us.
You said BeaconDB has "engaged in extensive attacks on GrapheneOS". You said the Cromite developers have made themselves "a significant part" of "the swatting attacks targeting me in April [2023] and other escalations." You said Fairphone are "heavily supporting and promoting scammers who are heavily involved in attacks on GrapheneOS." You claimed that you were harassed by the Mozilla community after you pointed out that Firefox lacked security features.
>LineageOS and postmarketOS have tons of developers, many of them supporting us and a minority attacking us.
This is the only bit of nuance here, but you never had this sort of nuance when you named LineageOS as containing people from the Android modding community that harasses you. Also, you told somebody to not ask LineageOS users about GrapheneOS because they will likely spread misinformation and harass you. At least one postmarketOS developer is an enemy.
Look, if I ran a project and it had harassers and swatters, I would not want them! I don't want them as a developer or as a community member, I would ban them immediately. To do otherwise would be to condone harassing and swatting. So it's weird to see this more nuanced standard when you have never pushed for it before.
Anyway, Daniel keeps replying to this obvious troll who is now using flowery language indicative of an LLM:
Here are a few interesting things. Micay claims that Techlore heavily altered his screenshots:
"Henry's heavily altered screenshots showing the impact of his existing attacks on GrapheneOS don't demonstrate his false narratives."
I don't see how he "heavily altered" them.
Micay on proof of his swatting:
"If you want proof of the swatting attacks, you can get it from the Toronto police department."
"The swatting attacks are public record. People can obtain confirmation of it through the Toronto police records."
"I've provided details about the swatting attacks and it's a verifiable public record. People can obtain information about it from the Toronto police department records and people have done so."
I would be interested to know who has obtained these police records, because nobody has as far as I know. In fact, I tried to obtain these records with the assistance of a Canadian citizen but the government has not responded yet.
(Just to reiterate, I still believe that Micay got swatted on the basis that he's extremely bad at providing evidence and this doesn't seem like something he would lie about in so much detail.)
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