One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

[Incecticyder]

One of the big problems with One Piece is how insufferably woke the story has become ever since the time skip.

Oh this is gonna be a good one! It has been a while since my last full on argument dismantling so I am about to dig in on this fresh meat! I swear, the horseshoe theory is proven every day. The left has made words like "racist" lose all meaning and the assholes on the right do the same with "woke".

It wasn't enough for the Celestial Dragons to own slaves and kill anyone that annoyed them for fun . Now we know that they also hold a festival every three years where they go to a randomly selected Island and genocide all the inhabitants there for sport. If this event has been going on since the Void century
( 800 years ago ) then that means that at least 266 Island have fallen victim to this senseless slaughter. Somehow the marines remained loyal to the Dragons despite knowing that this "festival" was a thing and they never did anything about it, not Sengoku, not Garp, not Kong , not Akainu etc so much for justice and being the lesser of two evils compared to the pirates. Everyone that has ever associated with the World Government have all received a massive karma penalty after the information was revealed.

Most Marines either do not know of those things, are in the cult like Green Bull or know but are powerless to stop it and try to at least be good policemen every other day. Do not forget, the upper ranks know that immortal demons are running the world. It is really hard to fight against such creatures and everyone who sides with them.

And you seem to be forgetting that most pirates are sadistic monsters and great in number. The Celestial Dragons are less of a problem for the average person.

There's also the Okama Island crap, Ivankov and all the other Revolutionary Commanders being disgusting degenerates

They are not disgusting degenerates, they are lovable degenerates! They are eccentric to a fault but also do not hesitate to help others. They are good people even if the Okama can be pushy on their island. They have rules, degenerate rules but still rules.

Yamato being a non binary marry su,

Again, using terms you do not understand. Yamato is a goof with strength but she is no "Mary Sue". She has struggles, she does stupid things, she can be insensitive but she is not some "perfect always wins plot magnet". She is not even non-binary! She is a larper who larps as a historical figure! She might be cringe but she is not any of the things you said! Fucking pay attention into the story!

During the pre time skip era there were some questionable moments but overall the story had a lot more morally grey characters than just generic black and white ones.

Mother fucker WHAT? Ok, this is a troll post! And before you go "I am acting like a retard ironically" that makes you an even bigger retard.

But hey, in case you are serious, which morally grey characters? I might have been willing to concede Arlong but even he is too much of a stretch. Buggy was a standard pirate, Kuro was a snake, Krieg was a backstabber, Arlong was a racist gangster, Smoker is very much a good guy, Wapol was an evil despot, Crocodile was a James Bond level villain trying to destroy a country and terrorized one old man specifically for fun, Enel had a god complex and the sadism to match, you could make the argument for Kuzan but he is the only one who is grey, Lucci is a murderer who really enjoys his job, Spandam is always on a powertrip, Moria is somewhat sympathetic but still pure evil, Akainu is also evil and BB is BB. Maybe Kizaru and Garp but still, three out of many if we are really generous. Pre-Timeskip was very black and white. Much more so than Post-Timeskip. We had Big Mom who is largely a victim of fate and manipulation, Kaidou who wanted to be a hero but realized he could not, Germa 66 who found a heart due to overwhelming kindness on the part of Sora and Sanji, Pudding who was mocked by the entire world for her appearance only to have to put a mask of evil in order to deal with it, Orochi and Kanjuro who were persecuted for the crimes of a relative and started lashing out and Stussy who is torn between her family and her friends.

But yeah, pre-Timeskip had more grey characters.

It literally had a recent chapter where a character goes on about how good race mixing is and constantly drives the fact that the elites are racist and hierachical. This is because it promotes the same message of individualism and libertinism with any form of social hierachicy and prejudice being pathologized as the ultimate evil. Just look at how Big Mom's society is portrayed compared to Kaido. There is literally no forms of societal decay or trauma caused by Big mom's multicultural ideology despite the fact a multicultural society is known for its conflicts. Wano on the other hand is completely impoverished and traumatized under Kaido with his own survival of the fittest ideology being partly the culprit.

Oh, fuck right off!! The problem with Harald was that he was not allowed to marry a woman who, while foreign, wanted to intergrade into her adoptive society as opposed to be a leech like most illegal migrants. As for Totto Land, the reason it is the way it is is because BM is a monster who destroys anyone who says no. She runs the place with an iron fist and everything has to fit her vision. Totto Land is not multicultural. It is monocultural under threat of being eaten. And you forget what made Wano a shithole was not because it was isolationistic, individualistic or libertine. It was purely because Kaidou wanted to be the villain that creates the hero and Orochi who wanted to make Wano a shithole as a form of revenge.

 

[Mr_B]

Response to "Incecticyder"

There is not a single character in pre time skip One Piece as morally reprehensible as Imu (Enel is the only one that comes close).

Speaking of Imu him having access to secret weapons that can blow up entire Islands whenever he feels like it completely destroys the "balance of Power" that was established in the Pre Time skip era . Why couldn't the World government simply blow up the Yonko and their territories if they had access to such weapons from the beginning ? Why hire the Shichibukai when you could have just eliminated any potential threat without breaking a sweat ?

Also don't give me the excuse that " marines don't do anything about the hunting festival because they are powerless to stop it ", If Kong, Sengoku and Garp really wanted to they could have staged a coup right after God Valley and ended the Celestial Dragon threat once and for all. The reason why they didn't do it is because they are cowards that care more about their paychecks then they care about putting an end to the most cruel regime that has ever existed in the One Piece world.

The hunting festival itself is proof enough that a world ruled by ruthless pirates like Blackbeard would still be a much better alternative than continuing to live under the World Governments tyrannical regime.

Before the time skip Marine characters like Akainu, Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Aokiji, Kizaru, felt like morally grey characters that you could empathize with, back then you could actually make an argument that the Marines were the lesser of two evils compared to the pirates.
After the God Valley reveal every single one of them is forever tainted because of the new lore Oda cooked up.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Re: Okamas and troons, the difference between them is that the Okama are actual badasses who are not afraid to fight for their way of life. Troons just dilate and seethe online because they're weak and always were, they would never be able to fight combat or get into physical confrontations for what they believe in without assurance they'll win and get their asspats.

Troons as-is cannot survive an actual apocalypse let alone out at sea. Everyone in One Piece is some kind of superhuman, with pirates being super-superhumans.

 

[Cryogonal2]

Luffy, Blackbeard and Shanks were cooler when they were nobodies who fought their way up from nothing.

They still are. Luffy is cool with total indifference to his family, Shanks is cool in spite of his family, and Blackbeard is cool with or without his daddy's backstory. They're not like the many, many characters whose whole shtick is "WELL MY DADDY IS A VERY IMPORTANT PERSON" and it's clear that that's kind of the point. Luffy's dad leads the revolutionary army, it's played off as a joke when it's casually mentioned around his crew for the first time just like with the Garp reveal. Shanks's dad is one of the big bad assholes at the World Government and it hasn't stopped him from kicking ass without a care in the world. Blackbeard's dad is so unnotable at this point that the fact they're related is casually dropped with no fanfare at all. It's just a fact of life. Maybe there's some knowledge passed down from father to son, but at best it provides a motive, or an inherited wish.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Speaking of Imu him having access to secret weapons that can blow up entire Islands whenever he feels like it completely destroys the "balance of Power" that was established in the Pre Time skip era . Why couldn't the World government simply blow up the Yonko and their territories if they had access to such weapons from the beginning ? Why hire the Shichibukai when you could have just eliminated any potential threat without breaking a sweat ?

Because they couldnt power it until Egghead

 

[Incecticyder]

There is not a single character in pre time skip One Piece as morally reprehensible as Imu (Enel is the only one that comes close).

Kuro was actively killing people who loved him and wanted to help him. Wapol let his country be sick and did not even bother protecting them when BB came. Moria kept a bunch of shadowless hostages imprisoned in ship. Are they exactly as evil as Imu? I do not know because we do not know Imu just yet. You forget that we know nothing about that thing.

Speaking of Imu him having access to secret weapons that can blow up entire Islands whenever he feels like it completely destroys the "balance of Power" that was established in the Pre Time skip era .

The stalemate was meant to protect the WG until they were strong enough to break it with minimal damage. That is how stalemates work! You bide time until you have the upper hand!

Why couldn't the World government simply blow up the Yonko and their territories if they had access to such weapons from the beginning ?

OH MY GOD!!! You did not read the story!! They did not have access to such weapons because they could not power them without the Mother Flame! That was outright stated!!! That was York's bargaining chip!!! Fucking Hell!

Why hire the Shichibukai when you could have just eliminated any potential threat without breaking a sweat ?

Because they could not eliminate any potential threats like that!!! That is why they hired the Warlords and later developed the Seraphim based on those Warlords!!!

Also don't give me the excuse that " marines don't do anything about the hunting festival because they are powerless to stop it ", If Kong, Sengoku and Garp really wanted to they could have staged a coup right after God Valley and ended the Celestial Dragon threat once and for all. The reason why they didn't do it is because they are cowards that care more about their paychecks then they care about putting an end to the most cruel regime that has ever existed in the One Piece world.

Ignoring the fact that Imu can possess people and turn them into powerful demons, the Planets are already powerful demons, the God Knights are nearly immortal and a lot of the Marines are true believers and truly evil. Sengoku, Fujitora Smoker, Koby and Garp might be good but Akainu, Green Bull and others are evil. You cannot win when you have to fight your own allies who turned into demons!

The hunting festival itself is proof enough that a world ruled by ruthless pirates like Blackbeard would still be a much better alternative than continuing to live under the World Governments tyrannical regime.

Big Mom eats her people to the point even her own children are not safe, Kaidou is fine with Orochi making Wano a shithole for revenge, BB does not care. Shanks and WB are the only good ones of those who had territory. Luffy and Buggy are new.

Before the time skip characters list Akainu, Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Aokiji, Kizaru, felt like morally grey characters that you could empathize with, back then you could actually make an argument that the Marines were the lesser of two evils compared to the pirates.
After the God Valley reveal every single one of them is forever tainted because of the new lore Oda cooked up.

Yeah, they are working for evil monsters but many are trying to help however they can. That is what makes them grey.

 

[IsaACKRepentance]

I love Loki so much. What a poor lil baby..

Spoiler: New chap spoils

Do you guys think it's actually a curse or just a stream of unfortunate coincidences pinned on him? I personally think the latter.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Spoiler: New chap spoils

Do you guys think it's actually a curse or just a stream of unfortunate coincidences pinned on him? I personally think the latter.

It's highly likely they're just coincidences, but they seem to be a superstitious people, or at least his mother was and as queen, she had pull.

 

[Random Internet Person]

@Honka Honka Burning Love I understand the whole thing about Oden and focusing on Oden. I thought the criticism of that was that Yamato’s whole thing was mostly about being Oden and acting like him. Like she took on Oden’s personality so much she has no personality of her own.

There is not a single character in pre time skip One Piece as morally reprehensible as Imu (Enel is the only one that comes close).

Speaking of Imu him having access to secret weapons that can blow up entire Islands whenever he feels like it completely destroys the "balance of Power" that was established in the Pre Time skip era . Why couldn't the World government simply blow up the Yonko and their territories if they had access to such weapons from the beginning ? Why hire the Shichibukai when you could have just eliminated any potential threat without breaking a sweat ?

Well, there’s the fact that the Gorosei keep Imu a secret from the world because reasons. Also, the thing about the world was that everything was fine and pirates settled things amongst themselves until Luffy came around, and also that the World Government had to be…a government.

Because they couldnt power it until Egghead

That too.

Also don't give me the excuse that " marines don't do anything about the hunting festival because they are powerless to stop it ", If Kong, Sengoku and Garp really wanted to they could have staged a coup right after God Valley and ended the Celestial Dragon threat once and for all. The reason why they didn't do it is because they are cowards that care more about their paychecks then they care about putting an end to the most cruel regime that has ever existed in the One Piece world.

As was said before, the real nitty gritty of those things are probably being kept under wraps because Oda wants to play the waiting game because he doesn’t want people to prematurely go “Luffy is the key to all this”.

The hunting festival itself is proof enough that a world ruled by ruthless pirates like Blackbeard would still be a much better alternative than continuing to live under the World Governments tyrannical regime.

Woah, calm down there, revolutionary.

 

[PonderosaPete]

This is how I think the interaction between Xebec and Loki went

Spoiler

Xebec: If I pull those bandages off, would you die?
Loki: It would be extremely painful
Xebec: You're a big guy
Loki: 4u

 

[Mr_B]

Oda better have a damn good excuse for making Roger and Garp team up to save the Celestial Dragons from being slaughtered by the Rocks Pirates.

Gigachad Xebec was about the pull off the greatest coup d'etat in the history of the One Piece world, there be a damn good reason as to why anyone would dare interfere in such glorious justice being served .

 

[Mr_B]

"OH MY GOD!!! You did not read the story!! They did not have access to such weapons because they could not power them without the Mother Flame! That was outright stated!!! That was York's bargaining chip!!! Fucking Hell"

It's not that I don't know about the Mother Flower , I just don't like magic mcguffins being inserted into the last saga of a story that invalidate everything that we understood about the world up to this point.

The final war better be everything that Oda is hyping it up to be, because all this random new lore Oda is inserting into the story is giving me 4th great ninja war vibes , and I really hope that Imu doesn't end up just being a Kaguya 2.0.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

@Honka Honka Burning Love I understand the whole thing about Oden and focusing on Oden. I thought the criticism of that was that Yamato’s whole thing was mostly about being Oden and acting like him. Like she took on Oden’s personality so much she has no personality of her own.

well we were talking about "Woke" shit, Yamato's personality is a little thin outside of the "ODEN!" thing...but it makes sense that Yamato would be a warped psycho because She had an abusive father that locked her in a cave without food and the only outside influence that she had as a child was watching Oden's death (dude its fucked up that Kaido took his kid to an execution by boiling in the first place) and Oden's journal.

Why hire the Shichibukai when you could have just eliminated any potential threat without breaking a sweat ?

The Kuma flashback kind of implies that they hire Warlords as a way of soft power, they pick pirates that they can use to scare other pirates.

Also don't give me the excuse that " marines don't do anything about the hunting festival because they are powerless to stop it ", If Kong, Sengoku and Garp really wanted to they could have staged a coup right after God Valley and ended the Celestial Dragon threat once and for all.

Could they have? I am willing to bet that if they tried they would get Go'd like Broggy and Dorry have. Given that The Elder Stars' MO is hiding information I wonder how many Marine Coups have been tried and failed then were covered up.

Before the time skip Marine characters like Akainu, Garp, Sengoku, Kong, Aokiji, Kizaru, felt like morally grey characters that you could empathize with, back then you could actually make an argument that the Marines were the lesser of two evils compared to the pirates.

Yep the Marines never did anything absolutely vile before the time skip.

Lucci didn't Slaughter a boat full of innocent hostages or anything.

Mother Flower

You can't even call it the right thing you dumb nigger.


Edit : Oh by the way the Ancient Weapons have a MASSIVE downside in that they flood the world, so spamming them for every problem isn't reasonable now that they are active again because while the Red Line is pretty safe from the flooding..it effectively means they need to outright enslave Green Bull to grow things on the red line with his plant plant fruit..and that means you effectively have to have a slave to Terraform the Red Line perpetually.

 

[Mr_B]

Lucci is a Cipher Pol agent, aka a soulless government lapdog. Marines are supposed to be better than that , they are the upholders of justice, law and order in the world. The hunting games go against everything they stand for, how on earth hasn't this issue caused a civil war yet ? Hopefully the reveal that the world government is planning to flood the whole world is finally enough for Akainu to get up his ass and start a civil war to topple the Celestial Dragons.

 

[Incecticyder]

Oda better have a damn good excuse for making Roger and Garp team up to save the Celestial Dragons from being slaughtered by the Rocks Pirates.

Gigachad Xebec was about the pull off the greatest coup d'etat in the history of the One Piece world, there be a damn good reason as to why anyone would dare interfere in such glorious justice being served .

It is implied that Rocks was not aiming for a coop but Armageddon. Ashes as opposed to reign.

It's not that I don't know about the Mother Flower , I just don't like magic mcguffins being inserted into the last saga of a story that invalidate everything that we understood about the world up to this point.

Pieces to the puzzle are added in every arc. That is every story, especially the long narratives. We find out new things all the time in real life and in fiction. That is how storytelling works.

The final war better be everything that Oda is hyping it up to be, because all this random new lore Oda is inserting into the story is giving me 4th great ninja war vibes , and I really hope that Imu doesn't end up just being a Kaguya 2.0.

It is literally not random. Imu has been talked about for hundreds of chapters. You are comparing him to someone was a last minute inclusion. Also, the problem with 4th Ninja War was the pacing, not lore. Shit was slow and boring. You are comparing apples to pretzels.

Lucci didn't Slaughter a boat full of innocent hostages or anything.

Or Nezumi with Arlong, or Morgan.

Lucci is a Cipher Pol agent, aka a soulless government lapdog. Marines are supposed to be better than that , they are the upholders of justice, law and order in the world. The hunting games go against everything they stand for, how on earth hasn't this issue caused a civil war yet ? Hopefully the reveal that the world government is planning to flood the whole world is finally enough for Akainu to get up his ass and start a civil war to topple the Celestial Dragons.

There is corruption. That is a thing. If the cops are supposed to do the right thing, why did they kill Epstein or coverup his island activities? It is true in real life and in fiction: corruption exists, evil sometimes triumphs. Stop acting like a child by asking why the world isn't fair. The answer to the Marine corruption is the same as the answer to the police corruption.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Or Nezumi with Arlong, or Morgan.

Yeah, but those two are just kinda corrupt.

Lucci murdering Hostages is on par with Gods Valley, it was the murder of innocents for no reason, and yeah the events of gods valley is common and repeated, but imagine how many times Lucci has just murdered innocents for no legitimate reason.

 

[Incecticyder]

Yeah, but those two are just kinda corrupt.

Lucci murdering Hostages is on par with Gods Valley, it was the murder of innocents for no reason, and yeah the events of gods valley is common and repeated, but imagine how many times Lucci has just murdered innocents for no legitimate reason.

It is not on the same scale but the idea of supposed good guys committing evil acts remains. I am just saying that the Marines had pure evil in their ranks since before the timeskip.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It is not on the same scale but the idea of supposed good guys committing evil acts remains. I am just saying that the Marines had pure evil in their ranks since before the timeskip.

Oh yeah they are all evil cunts, but Lucci is a direct 1 for 1 act with God Valley.

I am willing to bet he has more dead innocents on his hands in his event than a celestial dragon that scored poorley in the human hunt.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

>LOTR tier world building

You niggers don’t have 20 generations of blood lines or the devil being suplexed so hard that mountains and the evil Himalayas are destroyed. Or god “bending the waters” so the devils right hand man couldn’t invade heaven with ubermensch. Or accurate weather patterns and distances for the journey. Or a mythology and language developed.

I like One Piece, but Tolkien sits alone for a reason. Samwise also is a great character whose entire point is that great force or strength is not the sole decider.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Samwise also is a great character whose entire point is that great force or strength is not the sole decider.

Sam is not just great, he is the actual fucking best.