Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

i440BX · Jul 13, 2025

The Mat Harris said:
I think it's a combination of various things. I also don't think it was libertarians but mostly techno anarchists which can be pushed in various directions politically.

For one thing the companies that funded linux desktop development changed. RedHat is now full of H-1Bs for example. Canonical completely abandonned the desktop.

The the young desktop developer groups themselves are sometimes full of Europeans and typically big city Europeans which tend to be just communist. This can also be applied to various young American devs that live in big cities.

Another factor is the money. There is effectively no money to be made in the Linux desktop right now. And every attempt to make money is met with shrieking retard commies that claim it's no longer free software.

The smart libertarian ex linux users are now on Twitter promoting their new software that they sell. Or they made their own smaller Linux companies.

We completely ignored the fact that 10 to 15 years ago all the new devs coming into linux were a bunch of liberals and commies were actively indoctrinating them.

I don't think Communist is the fitting term. I would call it Neo-liberal Cultural Marxism. The troons working for Linux are praising Corporations a lot, since they are well fed with Pride and Propaganda. They are also very materialistic and consumerist despite their praise of Socialism.
Corporations( Possibly the Feds) got inspired by the Communists to subvert the opposition COINTELPRO style.

For example Lula. Lula was a fan of Fidel Castro and a huge Marxist supporter in 20th century.
Now in present he actually contradicts the many things Marxists preached. He is corporate friendly, he is close to Western Elites and enforces Copyright laws made by US.
The communists remained subversive, but corrected the flaws of classical Marxism to be corporate friendly.

meniche · Jul 13, 2025

meniche said:
and only one guy seems to have known more

btw., looking into this Tim Lunn aka darkxst:

He was a GNOME maintainer for Ubuntu since 2012, when Ubuntu tried their Mir, he was the one running ubuntu-gnome for years as technical lead while Canonical did nothing for it. When Ubuntu went back to GNOME in 2017, they seamlessly promoted ubuntu-gnome back to the position as the real thing.
There were questions whether or not Tim works for Canonical, and Canonical offered a non-answer:

Yeah, he was there. There was some confusion about whether or not Tim worked for Canonical or not, so it was good that we were there to explain the situation. He’s an active member of Ubuntu Gnome and has been for a long time and there was

https://www.techradar.com/news/ubuntu-in-transition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySrr18C3-I4

Tim faded away, he stopped contributing in 2018, despite being promoted as a Debian guest maintainer that year. It looks like he got hired by a company doing home automation and that's what he is up-to now, with no involvement in Debian or Ubuntu anymore.
I think that guy got punched in the face hard. A person who contributed to Ubuntu while sitting on a military base and who was gone for years cause he raped children, got hired, while the guy contributing for 6 years without break as technical lead to the spin that became the main version, doesn't even get a "Thank You".

There is also this very interesting article of someone explaining the hiring process of Canonical:

https://dustri.org/b/my-experience-with-canonicals-interview-process.html

To the question "How was your university?", I answered that it wasn't prestigious, and pretty small and rural, as we could see cows from the windows. Shuttleworth immediately interrupted me to say "don't play games, don't try to muddle your answers. I'm interviewing you for a senior position, I'm asking you questions, I'm expecting straight answers." I was so flabbergasted that instead of answering properly ("As I'm interviewing for a senior position, I'm expecting proper senior position related questions."), I gave a meek "Okay…" Some parts of the conversation were equally awkward and filled with an unhealthy amount of salt, especially about upstart ("They're a reason why Chromebooks are using it", the reasons are mostly technical debt, not technical excellence.), mir ("Wayland has the same design flaws as Xorg"), … At some point, someone bought him a plate, and he started to eat, without excusing himself about doing so. I asked him why he would spend time interviewing prospective employees in non-executive positions, let alone individual contributors, as this is likely eating a lot of his time, given that Canonical currently has around 1200 employees. He told me that he like to know who is hired, and that this process allows to root out average candidates. After 40 minutes out of a 60 minutes scheduled interview, Shuttleworth said "Ok, nice talking to you, have a nice day," and abruptly ended the interview. I seriously thought about withdrawing my application, as I really didn't want to work with him, but since the position was only senior IC, odds are that I wouldn't have to, so I didn't retract it.

Mark Shuttleworth himself, in person, interviews anyone who gets into the late-stage of an application and they dig HARD into the past of anyone who applies.
A company with over a thousand employees, has the CEO himself do the final interview.

Nol 2 · Jul 13, 2025

Always worth taking Lunduke with a grain of salt. Does good things some times, but he acts like a small child when ever negative Jew stuff comes up.

iirc he shut down his youtube and went Patreon only in like 2017 or so because there was JUST SO MUCH jew hate in the comments. Mind you, he came back once it turned out Patreon is an ever dwindling money source if you can't meaningfully bring new people in without your content getting out to the masses in some way

sci · Jul 13, 2025

meniche said:
I want to upload the total of Ubuntu IRC logs, which has 2.1 GB of text files.
What service do you usually use for that?

archive.org, mega.nz

XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG · Jul 13, 2025

enaR said:
I mean the modern COINTELPRO, among all of the other ridiculous political shit inflicted upon it, also managed to make most open sores projects renounce the concept of meritocracy. That was actually their initial push, I do remember. The first retarded "Code of Conduct" was written by the same person, Coraline Ada Ehmke, that wrote "The Post-Meritocracy Manifesto." (archive)

This gets me thinking
Could it be that all this push for LLMs (""""AIs""""), especially in coding and software development, is a (failed) push for an anti-meritocratic culture?
As in, skill no longer matters because the LLM spits out code, so only the skin color and sexuality and social credit score of the user matters?

analrapist · Jul 13, 2025

XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG said:
Could it be that all this push for LLMs (""""AIs""""), especially in coding and software development, is a (failed) push for an anti-meritocratic culture?

This makes a lot of sense, especially when you're familiar with LLMs to the point where you realize that the brainlets are bewitched by it, and the actual devs who use it use it more for roughing out ugly stuff quickly, while all the final design work is inescapably human.

So HR and the Executive buy into the anti-meritocratic lies, fewer newbies enter the industry because they believe what HR is selling, and the skilled devs who HR thinks LLMs will replace have more job security than ever. If this is an anti-meritocratic move, it's going to backfire like no one's business.

The Big Bad D · Jul 13, 2025

meniche said:
I want to upload the total of Ubuntu IRC logs, which has 2.1 GB of text files.

Is that compressed?

Ferryman · Jul 13, 2025

Nol 2 said:
Always worth taking Lunduke with a grain of salt. Does good things some times, but he acts like a small child when ever negative Jew stuff comes up.

iirc he shut down his youtube and went Patreon only in like 2017 or so because there was JUST SO MUCH jew hate in the comments. Mind you, he came back once it turned out Patreon is an ever dwindling money source if you can't meaningfully bring new people in without your content getting out to the masses in some way

More like a pound. Come what may people should always be aware that Lunduke will always place his jewishness first and journalism second. The moment anything that goes against the great Yid comes up, you can be sure he will try to have it shoah'd regardless of banality or political context.

BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny · Jul 13, 2025

The XLibre mailing list continues to entertain.

Ian Sutter (Althacker), realising the futility of proposing an explicitly troon CoC, tried to propose a GNU flavored CoC, believing it to be more palatable to the project.

[xlibre] Proposal: Standards for respectful and civilized communication

From: althacker@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

To: xlibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 18:15:52 +0000

Hello!

I have noticed that several places in the official comms spaces for this project, people are bringing up political subjects and behaving in a generally disrespectful manner that may be effectively used against the XLibre project by places like the FDO, RedHat, and GNOME.

What I propose is that we make a rule against using divisive labels such as "woke", "anti-woke", "leftist", "right-winger", "nazi", and so on to describe people inside or outside the community. While I know many won't like this idea as it may seem like a slight against the concept of being allowed to speak one's mine openly, discussions on such matters don't really have much of a place here and avoiding the use of politically divisive labels should help curtail the impression some people have of this project as being a place predominantly run by bigots.

On top of that, it's just plain rude to call people names. It is fascinating to me that society has become so accepting of the pra
ctice of name-calling. If we want to prove that a project can succeed without the ad hominem nature of the current political climate, then it will be necessary to learn to communicate without the nomenclature and lack of manners used in said political climate. Many people here are good at this, however, many are not.

I also propose that we adopt the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html) as the standard for how people working with this project interact with each other. If the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines aren't entirely applicable to the XLibre project, then perhaps we can derive something from them in order to build something that does work and brand it as the "XLibre Civil Communication Guidelines" or something to that effect.

If we want to prove that this project is about the software and not about the politics, then something along the lines of the above may be necessary, especially if the proj
ect is going to include people from all political backgrounds. It won't do to have people from one side of the political spectrum calling people one thing prompting the other side to start calling the first people another thing. Flame wars can be prevented. We just seem to have forgotten how at this day-in-age.

I am open to suggestions. I don't want suggest placing unnecessary burdens on contributors by unnecessarily restricting what people can say, but interactions need to remain civil and professional for it all to work in this case.

P.S. I am a neutral person on the subject of politics. I also am not affiliated with RedHat, IBM, or its subsidiaries so don't label me as some political activist or a "corporate plant" just because I made a suggestion such as the above. I want to see this project succeed and in its current state, it may very well fall apart.

--
Ian Sutter -- A GNU+Linux (and X11) user

XMPP: TheAltruisticHacker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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-Mail: althacker@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Matrix: @tzenfore:tchncs.de

Carlos instantly slapped this down, saying CoCs don't change behavior, they destroy projects. He thinks some moderation on Telegram could be beneficial though.

From: Carlo den Otter <artist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: xlibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 20:42:06 +0200

Hi,

You mean well but no rules nor a CoC will change the behavior of people without respect for others.
But rules and CoCs and debates about them have caused big problems for many projects, and even ruined some. The rules I live by are the ones my mother has taught me and until now these seem to have been quite adequate, and the main principle remains respecting other people.

However, the Telegram channels and maybe some other areas might benefit from some moderation.

artist for Xlibre

AMD agreed enthusiastically.

From: amd.mobile@xxxxxxxxxxx

To: xlibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 19:35:19 +0000 (UTC)

Hi everyone
I'm totally against moderation rules , CoC and any sort of moral behavior
recommendations

Those things are causing problems to the community, they have literally killed
and broke the community over the years, and now the community is a the lower
point it is ever been because of COCs

Then comes along this tough guy Jason Stewart. This manly man agrees CoCs are bad so hard, I grew some ticker skin just reading from him blow the proposed CoC out of the proverbial water.

From: Jason Stewart <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: xlibre@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 17:22:40 -0400
I would also like to second, third, & fourth the responses of the right
honorable gentlemen of this esteemed forum.

They are just words. I've been called cracker retard honky ugly
nerd-ass homo faggot motherfucker among other things. Didn't have to go
to the emergency room. Somehow made it to adulthood and old age.
Perhaps it even built a little character?

So I propose a different guideline: slurs for everyone and everything.
Proper names and honorifics, forbidden.

Sincerely,

cracker nerd-ass faggot

archive

AmpleApricots · Jul 13, 2025

I just hope the crazies from the other side of the political spectrum don't settle in. They're not any better.

meniche · Jul 13, 2025

sci said:
archive.org, mega.nz

here it is:

https://archive.org/details/irclogs.ubuntu.com

Ferryman · Jul 13, 2025

BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny said:
archive

Rofl holy fucking based, I need to sub to their RSS feed cause this shit is pure gold.

GoysGoneWild · Jul 13, 2025

Oh goddamn I love that. That's basically just using GNU+NIGGER with extra steps.

WhiteNight · Jul 13, 2025

SCV said:
What did stallman do?

There have been a few comments in this thread about this, which brought up various incidents which were used against RMS. Age of consent sperging was mentioned. Several complaints were like "25 years ago Stallman said something thoughtlessly autistic and it made me, a strong independent woman, uncomfortable." But the big one that got a cancel mob after him was a misrepresentation of his comments about MIT professor Marvin Minsky, who died in 2016.

In 2019, testimony was revealed in which Virginia Giuffre told a court that Ghislaine Maxwell had "directed" her to have sex with Marvin Minsky at a 2002 AI symposium. Giuffre did not say that they did ever have sex, only that she was told to. Minsky attended the conference with his wife, who is still alive and says she was with him the whole time. So it is fairly certain that nothing happened. However, several journalists and others misrepresented the testimony as saying that Minsky and Giuffre had had sex, and furthermore claimed that Giuffre had been underage (which was untrue; she was 18 at the time).

Stallman had had a personal connection to Minsky, and sought to defend him. He suggested that "the most plausible scenario" is that Minsky didn't know Giuffre was being coerced, and that "she presented herself to him as entirely willing". This sentence, that she would have pretended to be "willing", was misrepresented as her, and other victims, in fact being willing, So we got headlines such as

Renowned MIT Scientist Defends Epstein: Victims Were ‘Entirely Willing’ (The Daily Beast)
Famed Computer Scientist Richard Stallman Described Epstein Victims As ‘Entirely Willing’ (Vice)
Noted MIT Computer Scientist Defends Jeffrey Epstein in Leaked Emails (InsideHook)

Needless to say, at no point did Stallman defend Jeffrey Epstein.

These lying journoscum were joined by a chorus of feminists and other activists, who portrayed Stallman as pro-child rape. This misrepresentation gave the mob its momentum. Then of course they started poring over his decades of unfiltered autistic blogging to find more that could be used against him, and the rest is history.

analrapist · Jul 13, 2025

BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny said:
With the faggot signal activated, Nick Fuentes' strongest warrior and savior of the White Race Charles Brownau decided to make his appearance.

Can't tell if it's THE 8chan Jim Watkins, but a Jim Watkins responded to a concern about how to deal with him: https://www.freelists.org/post/xlib...for-respectful-and-civilized-communication,14

Jim Watkins said:
Kill filters in your mail client. It was ever thus.

The reactionaries are really coalescing around this project in ways I haven't seen around any other project, even obviously based stuff like Artix. As a fellow "reactionary back number" like Tolkien self-described as, gotta love to see it.

Lord of the Large Pants · Jul 13, 2025

Nol 2 said:
Always worth taking Lunduke with a grain of salt. Does good things some times, but he acts like a small child when ever negative Jew stuff comes up.

iirc he shut down his youtube and went Patreon only in like 2017 or so because there was JUST SO MUCH jew hate in the comments. Mind you, he came back once it turned out Patreon is an ever dwindling money source if you can't meaningfully bring new people in without your content getting out to the masses in some way

"${Subject_I_Care_About} should always be non-political and free of bias. However, ${Stance_I_Agree_With} isn't political, it's just called being a decent human. It's only political if you disagree."

'twas ever thus.

volatile puar · Jul 13, 2025

BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny said:
With the faggot signal activated, Nick Fuentes' strongest warrior and savior of the White Race Charles Brownau decided to make his appearance.

This nigger really said "woke tech is the problem and Librewolf is the solution"

Lord of the Large Pants said:
"${Subject_I_Care_About} should always be non-political and free of bias. However, ${Stance_I_Agree_With} isn't political, it's just called being a decent human. It's only political if you disagree."

'twas ever thus.

Nobody actually believes "politics has no place in x", they just believe in a retarded radical version of freedom of speech that forbids them from censoring people, so they have to cope about how "actually, umm, this is just the wrong place for politics, and no, things I agree with aren't political".

Ferryman · Jul 13, 2025

I am happy to report that the XLibre port for FreeBSD is making good progress, and that the forum thread still attracts mushmouthed retards coming to kvetch about muh anti vax. Refreshing to see that everyone else immediately tells them to fuck off:
EXHIBIT A: JABCUCK

There was also some faggot crying about using the word "slave" in a technical context earlier but I don't want to shit up the thread with screenshots so go take a look for yourself if you want to. My point was that FreeBSD seems a lot more resilient against throwing the book at people than the presence of a CoC would imply, especially in light of Loonspook recently pressuring them to deplatform one of their devs in a somewhat similar way to how IBM did Enrico. I wonder if they only implemented their Code of C(uck)onduct under pressure from corporate sponsors a la Meta / Netflix? Honestly if it weren't for the CoC I would be able to wholeheartedly recommend FreeBSD to pretty much anyone. Instead, I have to recommend it with a tiny grain of salt.

volatile puar said:
Nobody actually believes "politics has no place in x", they just believe in a retarded radical version of freedom of speech that forbids them from censoring people, so they have to cope about how "actually, umm, this is just the wrong place for politics, and no, things I agree with aren't political".

Which is doubly retarded since that goes against the very meaning of 'free speech', its just their own malign, subversive way of censoring without overtly calling it censoring. Typical tranny behavior.

Markass the Worst · Jul 13, 2025

Ferryman said:
I am happy to report that the XLibre port for FreeBSD is making good progress, and that the forum thread still attracts mushmouthed retards coming to kvetch about muh anti vax. Refreshing to see that everyone else immediately tells them to fuck off:

I don't know if they realize this, but the BSDs would infinitely like Wayland more if it didn't have retarded dependencies on Linux-only components. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they prefer XLibre.

RGBCube · Jul 13, 2025

Ferryman said:
Jesus Christ the arrogance. Just goes to show that jouros are faggots regardless of what political camp they belong to. Lunspook apologists can tongue my ass, this is faggot behavior to the bone. I get removing this guy's sperging from the FreeBSD wiki, but spamming them for "comments" and whether they've removed him from the project is exactly the kidna shit nobody in FOSS should support. FreeBSD ended up closing all convos on the matter and warns against starting it again under threat of forum suspension.

Lunduke is one of the least reliable sources of information out there. He super frequently reports things that are either blatantly wrong or unverifiable. Even more so if it benefits him politically.

And when corrected, he NEVER, EVER goes back and corrects anything. If you ever want to trust what Lunduke says or cites, you have to either reproduce results locally (if it is something that can be measured, etc) or find the actual sources and make your own judgement.

After all, he is an incredibly partisan Jew who is willing to ignore anything and everything to take his political agenda further.

Markass the Worst said:
I don't know if they realize this, but the BSDs would infinitely like Wayland more if it didn't have retarded dependencies on Linux-only components. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they prefer XLibre.

Like what? Niri and Hyprland (the two good compositors) run on the BSDs just fine. They're not actively tested by the developers, but community support and bug reports get fixed.

Wayland has no critical dependency on Linux-only software. People should stop spreading the myth & stop conflating Wayland with GNOME. It has not been true for more than half a decade.

You can read the FreeBSD wayland page: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/wayland/

Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

i440BX

The EU is so "based"

meniche

Nol 2

sci

XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG

lrhhtf oo uTinfiars oEs dto og

analrapist

analyst/therapist

The Big Bad D

Ferryman

the quieter you become / the more you can hear

BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny

Crashing the kernel with no survivors

[xlibre] Proposal: Standards for respectful and civilized communication

AmpleApricots

meniche

Ferryman

the quieter you become / the more you can hear

GoysGoneWild

𒃻𒄀𒈾𒁕𒀀𒁀𒅔𒁕𒁲𒉆𒋾𒉌𒅇𒌅

WhiteNight

Make America Cis Again

analrapist

analyst/therapist

Lord of the Large Pants

Chicks dig giant robots.

volatile puar

Are we picking up what I'm putting down?

Ferryman

the quieter you become / the more you can hear

Markass the Worst

don't do stance, kids

RGBCube

Hates your package manager in particular

Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

The EU is so "based"

lrhhtf oo uTinfiars oEs dto og

analyst/therapist

the quieter you become / the more you can hear

Crashing the kernel with no survivors

[xlibre] Proposal: Standards for respectful and civilized communication​

the quieter you become / the more you can hear

𒃻𒄀𒈾𒁕𒀀𒁀𒅔𒁕𒁲𒉆𒋾𒉌𒅇𒌅

Make America Cis Again

analyst/therapist

Chicks dig giant robots.

Are we picking up what I'm putting down?

the quieter you become / the more you can hear

don't do stance, kids

Hates your package manager in particular

[xlibre] Proposal: Standards for respectful and civilized communication