Mega Rad Gun Thread

The_Red_Man said:
Someone tell me why the fuck our military and police moved away from hammer fired to striker fired everything.
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I hope you know that just because it's LE or the military doesn't mean that the people making these decisions are good at shooting, don't have agendas/biases, or know fuckall about this stuff
Blasterisk said:
Because it's not the 1890s and ammo just works, so you don't need to restrike primers. If you do, you can just rack a wonder9 and get one of your 16+ other cartridges into battery.
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Have you ever fired rounds with military primers? Some of those are harder than our Dear Feeder watching My 600 lb Life
Taser Confetti said:
Consistent trigger pull/ease of training
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I don't know this for a fact but I'd bet that's a larger factor
 
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Polock said:
Please do because this is a drama forum and I need you to spill the tea. I am out of the loop.
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I'm not an expert in GBRS lore/Drama but here are their greatest hits as far as I remember them

1. DJ Shipley (the one with the beard) abandoned a child he had with his dead SEAL buddy's wife, said child is now being raised by his semi famous SEAL Father Don who has his own fairly popular YouTube channel. He is now using his YouTube channel to call his own son a piece of shit and humiliate him for not paying child support (and remember if DJ isn't a millionaire he's close to it)

2. I don't know all the details but they had a huge falling out with one of their members, Slade, who designed their infamous Hydra mount. Slade's version of the story is that there was some kind of dispute and it lead to them calling the cops on him to be escorted out of the building. Slade now hates them and from what I understand he didn't do anything wrong and they kinds sorta stole the Hydra mount design from him

3. They accused an employee of stealing an AR lower that he was tasked to mail somewhere for them and 20 minutes after the cops arrested said employee UPS dropped off the Lower because there was some kind of problem with the shipping label or something two months ago (Seriously this incident was the most retarded thing surrounding them, was one of your employees really going to just steal an AR lower from you that you personally handed them and then come into work for the next two months like nothing happened? Use your TBI addled brains)

4. One of their mottos is literally 'Loyalty Over Integrity"

5. They are blatant shills for Sig

6. This isn't necessarily a slight against them but some one consider it so, they are all blasted on Steroids

7. I think for a while they were shilling armor plates that had foam edges (not sure about this one)

8. Some have accused them of giving tactically unsound advice

9. There's a video of them that's been largely scrubbed from the internet about one of them presenting a scenario to some cops they were training involving a "Threeper who hates cops"

10. Many consider their gear to be heavily overpriced, especially their belt which (I dunno if they revised this ever) had the Velcro that wears out on the expensive belt itself and not the cheap inner belt (and iirc their justification for this when confronted was "we'll bro it's like more slick recce end user and more comfy when you have to throw on your battle belt at 2:17AM when your house is attacked by a platoon of Ninjas)

11. " Knowledge transfer" is a really pretentious and faggy thing to say

12. The pistol racking shit they do irks me
 
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AncientPhosphur said:
(Sorry if the Sig updates are getting old and annoying)
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No, siggers deserve this. Fuck 'em.
Dean Pentel said:
I hope you know that just because it's LE or the military doesn't mean that the people making these decisions are good at shooting, don't have agendas/biases, or know fuckall about this stuff
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Wow. I cannot believe the story you're telling me, it's macabre
 
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Foley said:
Jesus fucking Christ
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What's more alarming, the fact he was able to demonstrate the pistol will discharge without a trigger press or the soyface he makes when it does?

Edit: so as not to spam the thread a bunch I'll add to this post. We've talked about Tim from Buffalo Bore previously. Maybe even this video was posted in the past. I thought I had a lot of guns (I have 7). Seems Tim's a fan of animal murder, too.

 
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AncientPhosphur said:

Someone managed to demonstrate just how P320s go off.

(Sorry if the Sig updates are getting old and annoying)
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TLDW for anyone who doesn't have 40 minutes to get through it now, if the trigger is partially depressed (and by partially I mean <1mm) and the slide is manipulated (again by <1mm, about .5mm in this specific example) then the striker will drop and potentially discharge the round

Basically, if you have the tiniest bit of trash caught in your trigger mech or it's the tiniest bit out of spec and then wiggle the slide (such as walking around with it in the holster, he managed to get it to strike with a holstering motion as well) then it can go off. He was also able to get it to strike by partially inserting a magazine, just the magazine/cartridge pressing against the bottom of the closed slide was enough to trigger it

This is all with the upgraded trigger and no other modifications

Still watching, I haven't gotten to the part where he gets successful primer strikes, but obviously that happens as he opens the video with it, I'll add more if there's anything else super interesting, but even in the case of the striker safety successfully preventing a full strike then you'd be pulling a dead firearm out of your holster when you're expecting it to bang

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1: He hasn't been able to seat a magazine without setting off the striker while the trigger is partially (<1mm) depressed
2: 24:30 - He more or less managed to recreate the airforce fatality, just smacked his desk while the gun was sitting there and the striker dropped
3: Successful primer strike on literally the first try, striker safety seems to be intact
4: 5 for 5 on successful strikes, the safety didn't stop a single one
5: The video didn't really cover why this is happening, what exactly is going on inside the gun, just the how, and effortlessly repeated it dozens of times

Definitely worth skimming through the video just to see how little it takes to set the gun off in the right circumstances, but he doesn't explain much so don't feel like you need to sit through the whole thing
 
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TheOtherSideofMakeBelieve said:
Still watching, I haven't gotten to the part where he gets successful primer strikes, but obviously that happens as he opens the video with it,
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27:30 iirc going back to edit my post for that

Also soyjak when he gets it

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Taser Confetti said:
Consistent trigger pull/ease of training

It's easier and faster to take a 95IQ with zero to novice handgun experience and get acceptable scores with a Glock 17 than a Beretta M9.
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I disagree with this mentality completely. The DA system on the m9 is very robust, and the safety mechanism is reassuring for noobs. Uncocked, the gun has a heavy trigger pull, so there's a difficulty in negligent discharge. The Single action trigger is perfectly fine and crisp when the hammer is cocked. The gun also has a decocker/safety combo, so you can go back and forth from DA/SA all you want, if you know you're going to pull or you're in a situation where you need that trigger ready.

With a glock, you hand it to a noob and it has only one safety mechanism, and thats the trigger.
I don't understand why you would hand a grunt a gun that didn't have proper safety mechanisms, and clearly the army doesn't either since they forced Glock to put a safety on their entry to the program. Hell, its safer than a 1911 since you can't drop the hammer on a 1911 without ND'ing. (Don't ask how I know this).

When it comes to these pistols and shooting straight? It's not the gun, it's the man. And really if you just have guys shoot over and over while under instruction, eventually they'll be able to shoot any gun that works. The reason why Glock is the gun of guns is because its the striker fired pistol.
But the M9 is the DA/SA pistol. Like I said before, striker fired, hammer fired, who fucking cares? Both the Glock and the M9 work fine. You aren't going to go wrong going either path.

Which is why SIG must've been bribing people, because the P320 is a mess of a P250 conversion, that makes 0 sense, has a terrible spongy trigger, is unsafe, and unproven.
You could trust your life to any of the military pistols the US Government has issued to any of its forces EXCEPT THE SIG.
 
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Dean Pentel said:
Edit: so as not to spam the thread a bunch I'll add to this post. We've talked about Tim from Buffalo Bore previously. Maybe even this video was posted in the past. I thought I had a lot of guns (I have 7). Seems Tim's a fan of animal murder, too.
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Can you ever own enough guns? I don't think its possible. Second, what's wrong with animal murder? Why would God put all these wonderful creatures on this planet for us, if not to occasionally go out and hunt?
 
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it's pretty sad that when i was still in BCT, to even complete week 4, you had to had 23/40 at 50 through 300 meters or you failed, had remedial and if you kept failing you would be separated from service. most people (from my own memory, so maybe i'm wrong or we were an outlier) were in the 30+ range. people that had 35 or better could try the 800 meter targets. i still remember my score of 40/40 and 38/40 earning me a sharpshooter badge at Campbell's 800 meter range with an old M16A1E1. good times.

i figured that the rumors of just allowing qualifications on red dots were exactly that - rumors, and you would get training on them together with normal training with iron sights. that's how it was in the 80's through the 90's and into the 2000's. basic marksmanship fundamentals was required for mastering the very expensive, and you're responsible for buying the batteries for, electro-optics.

edit: also completing BCT isn't the end of rifleman training. combat arms goes to schools for specialty training on top of it, regular qualification if their job is specific and has new gear or doctrine, and multiple field exercises per year, not to include combined arms training or integration and familiarization training which also happen often enough - typically before deployments.

i had far less frequent training during my law enforcement career than my time in the military purely due to cost concerns and a bigger focus on the law and community aspects of the job vs when my job was primarily to be pointed at things and told to make them go away permanently.
 
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Club Sandwich said:
i figured that the rumors of just allowing qualifications on red dots were exactly that - rumors, and you would get training on them together with normal training with iron sights. that's how it was in the 80's through the 90's and into the 2000's. basic marksmanship fundamentals was required for mastering the very expensive and you're responsible for buying the batteries electro-optics
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So you still get training on both iron sights and red dot, you even do the qual course with both, but you only have to pass one of them to graduate.
 
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