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The Ugly One said:
Default judgements are trivially easy to avoid. You avoid them by showing up in court and doing what the judge tells you to do.

This particular default judgement was huge because Jones had accumulated years of ill will with this particular judge across multiple lawsuits by acting like a massive faggot during discovery. The list of things he did in the judgement is downright embarrassing to read. So what the judge basically ruled, "I am sick seeing your stupid face and dealing with these stupid antics. How much money do I need to fine you to end your business make sure I never have to see you again? Oh, it's almost a billion dollars? Well fine, you owe a billion. Now fuck off."

Jones has subsequently lost all his appeals because it's a default judgement, so the only real question is, "Did you actually show up and do as you're told, the trivially easy thing you needed to do in order to avoid this fine? No, you didn't? Well, sorry, pal."
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Its still bullshit. Saying its how the system works just means the system is bullshit.
 
Party Hat Wurmple said:
You act like this isn't an ordinary thing for courts.
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It isn't. Most lawyers play by the rules because courts know all the tricks and you get raped if you get caught lying or cheating.
Party Hat Wurmple said:
It may not have been an accident.
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Except the dates didn't line up. Jones's lawyers didn't say "hey, here's the evidence, we found it." They accidentally sent proof that they had the evidence the whole time. If you're going to lie to the court, at least try not to get caught doing it.
Party Hat Wurmple said:
I don't understand where you think any of this is somehow justified.
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If you try to cheat in legal proceedings and get caught at it, you will get raped. That's how it goes.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
The courts made it clear that Jones willingly withheld evidence. This also meant Jones lied under oath and got caught at it because he claimed the evidence didn't exist. Then his lawyers failed to declare certain evidence as part of client-attorney privilege. His lawyers were terrible and deserve a lot of the blame here.
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Makes me wonder why he didn't go with a higher-tier lawyer for this, but hindsight is 20/20.
Now that I think about it, didn't he change lawyers halfway through the trial (maybe due to this absolute clusterfuck)?

Party Hat Wurmple said:
And so what? You act like this isn't an ordinary thing for courts. The lawyers don't always have evidence during discovery. It may not have been an accident. You can tell a judge one day that you don't have evidence, find said evidence, and send it to opposing lawyers. IANAL but I don't need to be know that narrative doesn't pass the smell test. It's discovery and things like that happen literally all the time.
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If you know your enemies are trying to destroy you using the courts, you should probably try to follow the process as best as you can to not give them ammunition.
 
Can of Bread said:
Now that I think about it, didn't he change lawyers halfway through the trial (maybe due to this absolute clusterfuck)?
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Jones drove away several teams of lawyers throughout this case because he was unmanageable. The guy is a lunatic par excellence.
 
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Sounds like there is some movement going on in the background on Antifa. Both Nick Sotor and Glenn Beck have stated that the FBI have recently contacted them and others about investigating the organization.
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The fact that they are attempting to collect this stuff by interviewing podcasters instead of having the NSA rip it all straight out of Bluffdale under auspices of National Security is horrible optics.

Makes it look like .gov is raping your privacy daily with exactly zero benefit to the public, even against a designated terror group.
 
the alex jones stuff also applies in family court, which is directly relevant to everyone's lives because we all have cousins and nieces and nephews even if we don't have kids

everyone thinks they know someone who got buttraped in family court, and everyone thinks it's because of misandry or misogyny but nine times out of ten one of two things happened and the first thing is exactly this: somebody thought they didn't have to treat the judge like God and the judge let them know otherwise. (the other thing is they're in a jurisdiction where the attorneys, the custody evaluators, and everyone else is just in it to win it and you're there to pay for their boat and they flipped a coin to see who was getting the kids. it's never actually cause they hate fathers or women, nobody has time for that)
 
Bindo said:
The fact that they are attempting to collect this stuff by interviewing podcasters instead of having the NSA rip it all straight out of Bluffdale under auspices of National Security is horrible optics.

Makes it look like .gov is raping your privacy daily with exactly zero benefit to the public, even against a designated terror group.
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Maybe they're taking a multi-pronged approach to their investigation? Just because they're interviewing journalists and podcasters doesn't mean they aren't also collecting information in other ways.
 
I guess ICE agents in Chicongo were just ambushed and a horde of fat spics descended upon them


Scrolling around the feed looks like they dispersed gas to get the crowd to leave. They had someone under arrest but I don't know if it's just the retard that crashed into them or people they already arrested earlier in the day.
 
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The Ugly One said:
And if you think the plaintiff is asking for a remedy way out of proportion to the damage done, the courtroom is the place for you to make that argument. If you refuse to participate in the suit, then the plaintiff's claim goes uncontested.

Lawsuit where you participate:

Plaintiff: The defendant hurt me real bad. I want $10m.
Defendant: That's retarded, I only broke his toe. That's like $25K worth of damage at most.
Judge: Hmm, good argument, defendant, but you're lowballing IMO. I award the plaintiff $50K plus $10K punitive damages.

Lawsuit where you don't participate:

Plaintiff: The defendant hurt me real bad. I want $10m.
Defendant: *crickets*
Judge: Well, the defendant doesn't object to paying you $10m, so you get $10m plus $5m punitive damages.
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Jones spent way too much of the trial trying to farm one-liners for clickbait channels like Memeology 101 and the like when he should have actually been building a defense.
Saying "You mean like the Clintons?" in response to being asked if you lied about the deaths of others may get you some Vine airhorns, but it won't get you off the hook.
 
Party Hat Wurmple said:
You act like this isn't an ordinary thing for courts.
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It isn't, not for cases of this magnitude. You know where it's really common? Divorce court. And you know what happens when retards pull this shit in divorce court? The judges absolutely fuckin' rape them. I will bet the vast majority of divorcees in the manosphere whining about "divorce rape" lied in court, didn't show up for hearings, didn't obey court orders, didn't supply requested documents, etc.

And even then! Alex Jones did shenanigans multiple times in this case, and the judge slapped him on the wrist! He just did it one too many times. He shenanned his last nigan. The judge simply had enough and said, "Okay, that's it, it's over, I warned you enough times, now you get the default judgment."

Party Hat Wurmple said:
What a schizo fucking retard. Fine, I can get behind a default judgement. You'll never sell me on Total Financial Death.
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The plaintiffs were seeking around $900m in damages. $300m for punitive. $150m for lawyer's fees. I don't remember what else. Don't default when somebody is suing you for everything.
 
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That garbage truck was not moving very quickly. It was also pulling off to the shoulder on the right where there was no lane. Why the hell wouldn't Alec have kept going straight? He must have been going way too fast or something, following too close behind, or instinctively followed the truck as it was pulling off thinking it was how the road went.

Definitely wasn't paying attention, at the very least.
 
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