Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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Peterson, for all his faults, seems to say exactly what he thinks and doesn't hide ulterior motives.

I agree with most of what you write, including the idea that some of his critics are worse than him; certainly if someone has known Peterson for decades you'd expect better sourced and more tangible criticism.

Though some of the criticism is undoubtedly correct, particularly the "rules for life", some of which he himself doesn't follow and perhaps not even tries to follow.

I think it's likely that he does hide ulterior motives. His comments about being a christian are exactly that; I think he approaches it like a politician would and wants to have both atheist and christian audience so is sure not to alienate either and as a result plays postmodernist definition games to appear somewhat in the middle.

It's happened a couple of times where Peterson asks to "think about it for a minute" and it's his most dishonest moments, because he doesn't seem to be honestly speaking about his beliefs, but rather tactically strategizing about what to say.

In short: Yes, some of Peterson's critics are worse than him, but they have neither the reach or visibility than he does and it's causing people to close their ears to any of the criticism, some of which is very valid. Both links had some valid criticism in there.

If others are criticizing him badly; let's get to the nitty gritty of doing it right.
 
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He has some interesting ideas, I think, but it's surrounded by an air of insane rambling bullshit that you could get distilled from saner sources.
This. Any time he gets asked a simple question, he turns it into an hour of droning about nothing in particular.

Also, his fanboys are just fucking cancerous, just search "Jordan Peterson Feminist" or "Jordan Peterson SJW" on YouTube and you'll end up with Homer Beoulve-esque compilations:




I will concede that he has some ok points about Cultural Marxism, but they're really nothing new if you know where to look for them. He's the kind of commentator you grow out of pretty quickly.
 
How is having a Jordan Peterson thread different from having a Deepak Chopra thread? Or Tony Robbins?
All self-help gurus are weird motherfuckers,
He is being a weird motherfucker on the internet. That's reason enough.

but I don't see what makes Jordan Peterson worthy of being called a lolcow when compared to the other dumbasses.
I don't know, the fact that he thinks a Disney movie gets made for any other reason other than money?

3:12 "What do you mean by real?"
See what I mean? :story:
 
By default you know that people who studie psycology have some pretty scary underlying issues.

That said, he is a psycoanalyst and probably a good one at that. That means he could easily own every one to one conversation, something many an interviewer has discovered.

His claim to faim is the same as Sargons essentially, but there the similarities end. Unlike Sargon, Peterson isn't a lolcow, but probably a horrorcow.

I still believe that his weakpoint is his daughters eating disorder and he has something to do with it.



 
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I love Peterson, even though I've only watched a few very small parts of his content. He has that magical ability of all basically sensible, coherent older men to drive younger people to utter frothing insanity with a few well-chosen sentences. It's hilarious every single time. I know otherwise relatively sane individuals in my social circle who will rant for hours if you so much as mention his name. If I ever met him RL, I'd buy him dinner and a drink purely out of a sense of obligation for all the fun he's given me by proxy over the last few years.
 
He is being a weird motherfucker on the internet. That's reason enough.

I don't know, the fact that he thinks a Disney movie gets made for any other reason other than money?
He's not an unsuccessful mess of a crazy nigger like regular lolcows, though. In fact, he's got his shit together by any societal metric.
Well educated, financially well off, a successful businessman, married, has children and grandchildren, etc.
 
He's not an unsuccessful mess of a crazy nigger like regular lolcows, though. In fact, he's got his shit together by any societal metric.
Well educated, financially well off, a successful businessman, married, has children and grandchildren, etc.


From the lolcow subforum page:
Lolcows are people and groups whose eccentric or foolish behavior can be "milked" for amusement and laughs

Hmmmmm certainly there's nothing eccentric about this reverse vegan that only eats beef and believes that native american depictions of snakes are DNA diagrams.

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He's not an unsuccessful mess of a crazy nigger like regular lolcows, though. In fact, he's got his shit together by any societal metric.
Well educated, financially well off, a successful businessman, married, has children and grandchildren, etc.
Being successful at something isn't something that prevents one from being seen as a lolcow.

There are countless "successful people" who have and are still being seen as lolcows as I write this, Jonathan Monserrat is one of them and was involved in a huge lolsuit against Encyclopedia Dramatica. One lolcow managed to actually make her shitty novels into a movie. Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day are both still working actors with some minor degree of cachet.

TL;DR: People can be successful and still be cows.
 
From the lolcow subforum page:


Hmmmmm certainly there's nothing eccentric about this reverse vegan that only eats beef and believes that native american depictions of snakes are DNA diagrams.

As I stated in the Styx thread, he is as much of a cow as the gardner Tarl who likes the Norwegian churchburner/murderer, bornagain Nazi whith green fingers, Varg. Wonder if he'll befriend Fjotolf Hansen when he gets out? He is certainly good with alternative use of fertalizer.
 
Being successful at something isn't something that prevents one from being seen as a lolcow.

There are countless "successful people" who have and are still being seen as lolcows as I write this, Jonathan Monserrat is one of them and was involved in a huge lolsuit against Encyclopedia Dramatica. One lolcow managed to actually make her shitty novels into a movie. Wil Wheaton and Felicia Day are both still working actors with some minor degree of cachet.

TL;DR: People can be successful and still be cows.
I don't believe that your examples are necessarily equivalent, since their career are in descent unlike Peterson. However, I don't care enough about Peterson to defend him.
 
I agree with most of what you write, including the idea that some of his critics are worse than him; certainly if someone has known Peterson for decades you'd expect better sourced and more tangible criticism.

Though some of the criticism is undoubtedly correct, particularly the "rules for life", some of which he himself doesn't follow and perhaps not even tries to follow.

I think it's likely that he does hide ulterior motives. His comments about being a christian are exactly that; I think he approaches it like a politician would and wants to have both atheist and christian audience so is sure not to alienate either and as a result plays postmodernist definition games to appear somewhat in the middle.

It's happened a couple of times where Peterson asks to "think about it for a minute" and it's his most dishonest moments, because he doesn't seem to be honestly speaking about his beliefs, but rather tactically strategizing about what to say.

In short: Yes, some of Peterson's critics are worse than him, but they have neither the reach or visibility than he does and it's causing people to close their ears to any of the criticism, some of which is very valid. Both links had some valid criticism in there.

If others are criticizing him badly; let's get to the nitty gritty of doing it right.

Well, his rambling about religion and metaphor and stuff, it coheres into his overall worldview. He's not the first such "Christian," as I said, it surely sounds intellectually dishonest when he skirts around the issue by debating minutia in word meanings and such or when he claims that the literal interpretation of religion is something nobody believes when it's exactly what every religious person believes, but no, I think the only person he is trying to fool there is himself. He wants to be a Christian, and some intellectuals want to do, just deep down he knows the factual basis for religion is non-existent.

Peterson is closer to the Stephen J. Gould's stupid "non-overlapping magisteria" school of thought where science is in the realm of facts and religion is in the realm of art and morality, or whatever. This bullshit has been going on a lot longer than Peterson and ignores what religion actually is to the vast majority of people and that it makes actual empirical claims about the nature of the universe.

Most of Peterson's critics are far worse than him. While Peterson may ramble on about stupid Jungian shit or make confused arguments about religion, his critics want public censorship and kangaroo courts. Few of his critics, like the majority of his fans, seem to not address any of the Jungian bullshit or whatever. No, I'll take Peterson any day of the week.

And nobody has yet convinced me that Peterson is an asshole. The people that try are always gender-obsessed freaks that can't disguise their agenda. Maybe Peterson isn't completely right in that sphere (though I think just defers to our lack of scientific understanding of this topic) but Peterson really does seem like a well-meaning, sincere man, even if his arguments don't really feel sincere (becase we can see through them so easily). Sure there's a lot of goofiness around him, but he doesn't feel like a lolcow. I don't think having a few goofy beliefs qualifies someone as such.

Don't get my defense of the man wrong, his cult of personality (which isn't his doing, it's just the political situation of the time) needs to be torn down, people get influenced too easily by the heroes they take in and they need to realize that Peterson is pretty silly on a lot of things.
 
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3:12 "What do you mean by real?"

To be fair, the question is retarded and an obvious trap (sic). He can give a yes or no answer and that would give the interviewer the ability to define the term in any way she feels will harm him the most. He can explain his rationale in depth and the response will always be, "but what about...?"

There are several ways Jordan can respond to the question without falling in the trap. He can pull a Trump and just start rambling for the next five minutes, completely dominating the conversation and not giving the interviewer a chance to pin him on anything. Or he can do what he did: ask the interviewer to narrowly define the question so that he can give an honest and open answer without the threat of being misconstrued for an easy gotcha.
 
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