Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Princess Rescuer]

That "Manga=comics" thing is one of the biggest self-owns ever. They just introduced competition which they will never be able to compete with on the same sales list.

 

[damian]

Motherfucker.
I'm actually a little salty you got that.
Me and mine were the originators to blast about her lying, and now you got even more juicy bits than I ever managed.

Well done!

It was literally the first thing I noticed when I checked on some screengrabs. Went to the twatter to check if she still followed him and she does. Them not knowing each other is a lie that Gail tried to pull, she works at the same publisher, they worked on the same book (although tbf there were a ton of people working on it) and the cherry on top she follows him on Twitter.

Did a little more digging and if you search for replies to Gail from Eric, all you get are replies from Eric to deleted Gail tweets.
https://.twitter.com/search?q=From%3Aericmesquivel%20to%3Agailsimone&src=typed_query

For those that didn’t notice, on top of deleting 16K tweets on his account, Eric’s likes also went down from 22.2K to 22K.

200 likes gone and now all tweets from Gail where Eric had replied to had been deleted. I’m not a detective but I suspect the 2 might be connected.

Here’s a tip Gail, it wouldn’t have been a big deal if you didn’t try to claim to never know who he was. Hell even I don’t think it’s a big deal, but I just like catching people on stupid lies.

 

[Faggot Gift]

Eric deleted his simpering apology. What a fucking bitch, I bet those girls he perved on have more T than this little faggot.

EDIT: Or maybe Gail Simone told him to fuck off and threatened him with blackmail, considering all the attention she's been getting for obviously covering for him.

 

[AnOminous]

That "Manga=comics" thing is one of the biggest self-owns ever. They just introduced competition which they will never be able to compete with on the same sales list.

Manga gives its audience what they want at a good price, while current "woke" comics massively overcharges for an absolutely shitty product and on top of that, boringly lectures you with shit you don't care about and certainly don't want to pay money to hear.

 

[SiccDicc]

Manga gives its audience what they want at a good price, while current "woke" comics massively overcharges for an absolutely shitty product and on top of that, boringly lectures you with shit you don't care about and certainly don't want to pay money to hear.

Manga: I buy a book and I get several chapters or an arc.
Marvel/DC: I buy a book and I get a chapter of a lecture.

 

[Water-T]

Manga: I buy a book and I get several chapters or an arc.
Marvel/DC: I buy a book and I get a chapter of a lecture.

Manga: All the stories are self contained, and don't require buying other manga to follow the story
Marvel/DC: In order to follow the full story, you have to buy X-Men: Alpha, Uncanny X-Men #13, Astonishing X-Men #4, X-Men Gold #21, X-Men Blue #17, X-Men Red #6, Uncanny X-Men Annual #1, and X-Men: Omega.

 

[One Man Bland]

Manga: All the stories are self contained, and don't require buying other manga to follow the story
Marvel/DC: In order to follow the full story, you have to buy X-Men: Alpha, Uncanny X-Men #13, Astonishing X-Men #4, X-Men Gold #21, X-Men Blue #17, X-Men Red #6, Uncanny X-Men Annual #1, and X-Men: Omega.

And every issue is $4-$6 a piece. Sometimes $10 if we really wanna squeeze you for every penny.

 

[Creep3r]

Manga: All the stories are self contained, and don't require buying other manga to follow the story
Marvel/DC: In order to follow the full story, you have to buy X-Men: Alpha, Uncanny X-Men #13, Astonishing X-Men #4, X-Men Gold #21, X-Men Blue #17, X-Men Red #6, Uncanny X-Men Annual #1, and X-Men: Omega.

Not to mention mangas have only one author who consistently creates the story from his own vision, instead of multiple writers who have no idea how to portray the original vision of the first author, like with comics, specifically ongoing titles that never seem to end like X-Men and what not. Although manga editors usually seem to fill this role but the original author is still in control and results in a consistent world with a consistent narrative in the most successful or short-lived mangas (and unlike comics, the majority of mangas actually have a conclusive ending). Although I often feel that modern shounen is kind of going into comic territory, but that's just me.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Manga: All the stories are self contained, and don't require buying other manga to follow the story
Marvel/DC: In order to follow the full story, you have to buy X-Men: Alpha, Uncanny X-Men #13, Astonishing X-Men #4, X-Men Gold #21, X-Men Blue #17, X-Men Red #6, Uncanny X-Men Annual #1, and X-Men: Omega.

As much as this gets said, I think it's worth pointing out that's only a problem with ongoing stories being spread across multiple books. Not continuity in itself existing.

You don't need to literally read every Spider-Man comic to get into a random arc of Spider-Man. Many writers haven't either. I get the feeling how this is said ends up scaring people off who don't understand the issue and assume you need to read everything.

There's literally no way to kill the concept of continuity without killing the product instead. We're saying really inconsistent stuff about how everything is eternally doomed and Disney carrying on this shit to different mediums.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

Gail is really stupid. All she had to do was come out and say she knew/worked with Eric but finds his predatory/rape actions disgusting and won’t work with him again. Then make a comment about how all men, especially male feminists, are evil etc.

Instead she feigned ignorance and is now being hounded by comics autists proving their connection. Women like Gail, and her actions, further proves what most of us know....these social justice morons have no understanding of what internet culture is because their only exposure’s been Facebook and Twitter. They didn’t start off on trolling forums, bulletin boards, chat rooms like the rest of us.

 

[One Man Bland]

Not to mention mangas have only one author who consistently creates the story from his own vision, instead of multiple writers who have no idea how to portray the original vision of the first author, like with comics, specifically ongoing titles that never seem to end like X-Men and what not. Although manga editors usually seem to fill this role but the original author is still in control and results in a consistent world with a consistent narrative in the most successful or short-lived mangas (and unlike comics, the majority of mangas actually have a conclusive ending). Although I often feel that modern shounen is kind of going into comic territory, but that's just me.

To be fair manga does have its own variation of the inconsistent narrative/continuity issue in that manga artists have insanely short deadlines that mean they only get like 20 minutes of free time a week, so the manga creators who don’t have a clear plan for their story risk having the plot go completely off the rails because “fuck it I haven’t slept in 3 days and I just want this to be over.”

Of course some manga magazines also have a voting system where readers can pick their favorites so that stories that aren’t working as well get phased out faster, so it also take several months for artists to figure out whether their story is working compared to Marvel/DC.

 

[RockVolnutt]

It's actually pretty unusual for Part 1 of an arc being in Batman, Part 2 in Detective, Part 3 in Justice League, Part 4 in Green Latnern, and Part 5 in Supergirl with you expected to buy all 5 each month and I don't know how people have that idea. Yeah, event books get shoved out like times a year but it's not like that at all with every comic getting dragged in and I think it's an outsider's misconception.

Usually it's just A-listers who carry multiple ongoings and those don't necessarily crossover all the time. In recent times, Batman is solely focused on Batman meanwhile Detective Comics is the "Bat-Family" book both with their separate story arcs. Sure, they feature the same Batman but it's not something you NEED to deal with.

If you really wanted to read Kamala Khan stories for some reason, her solo series has only been interrupted by an event once (Civil War 2). You can read all 55 of her solo issues with no real problem beyond reading Kamala Khan.

 

[Adamska]

The big problem though is making sure you get each issue (if you give a shit about not pirating). See, a manga has volumes that compile quite a few chapters into one book. Comics occasionally get that, but for some autistic reason think that one chapter worth of shit is worth a fiver.

Fun fact: most kids ain't putting a fiver down on a comic; they would a movie, but not a comic.

 

[HiddenFist]

They aren't entirely wrong when they say they helped Manga. They alienated much of the core comic book reading audience to the point that many of them chose to dip into manga instead. It's not the audience keeping the comic industry afloat, it's the expensive and annoying advertising, constant licensing of their properties (games, movies, tv shows, films) for decades, and the fact that the Big Two are owned by companies that are willing to keep their comic division afloat.

Honestly, this guy really has the points down for the comparison between manga and comics.

 

[Boss Bass]

In the end, there’s minimal variety in comics. Is Superman really that different from wonderman, from Hawkeye, from green lantern? It’s all pretty much the same.

I’m reading a boxing manga about a slave boxer set in Ancient Rome with a heavily researched Nero subplot. It’s next to my detective manga with heavy archeological and historical themes. I’m also got a heart pounding thriller about a boy and his crazy mom that I can only read a few pages at a time.

I would gladly read classic spider man for the first time if I could, but the shit today from marvel is sooooo boring. And in the end, that’s the worst sin.

 

[Adamska]

In the end, there’s minimal variety in comics. Is Superman really that different from wonderman, from Hawkeye, from green lantern? It’s all pretty much the same.

I’m reading a boxing manga about a slave boxer set in Ancient Rome with a heavily researched Nero subplot. It’s next to my detective manga with heavy archeological and historical themes. I’m also got a heart pounding thriller about a boy and his crazy mom that I can only read a few pages at a time.

I would gladly read classic spider man for the first time if I could, but the shit today from marvel is sooooo boring. And in the end, that’s the worst sin.

Technically, there's other comics in the west that does other themes, and in fact much of the period between the Silver and Golden age was dominated by them. You had your romances, westerns, war stories, horror, and so on. It's just capeshit has dominated the media and most of the comic readers gravitate to capeshit.

Shit... I kind of want to get the full compilation of Sgt. Rock now that I'm reminded of non-capeshit. I loved the small tradebook my dad had of him.

 

[MontezumaWuzASavage]

Whatever else James Bond was, a pedophile he was not.

What is up with all these pedos?

 

[Judge Dredd]

It's actually pretty unusual for Part 1 of an arc being in Batman, Part 2 in Detective, Part 3 in Justice League, Part 4 in Green Latnern, and Part 5 in Supergirl with you expected to buy all 5 each month and I don't know how people have that idea. Yeah, event books get shoved out like times a year but it's not like that at all with every comic getting dragged in and I think it's an outsider's misconception.

I read Green Lantern Corps. Part way through an arc it is revealed the villains were cyborg superman and some guy with big teeth. I was assumed to know who they were, what their motivations were, and why they should be stopped.

In another comic I read, part of the plot was resolved when a character from another book took over the comic for an issue or 2 and sorted out many of the heroes problems. That same comic series had a rushed ending that left the door open for a sequel. From what I read they cut it short to work on another project.

That's how it happens. It's plot lines being resolved in another book, characters turning up out of nowhere and we're expected to know, or bullshit that reads like it was pulled out of the writers arse but is actually a reference to something that happened years ago.

You could argue I was unlucky, but I don't think that's the case. Spoony goes on a tangent about comics in one of his counter monkey videos, and I see similar stories repeated elsewhere. I don't think people would be saying these things if it didn't happen. Linkara's review of countdown goes into these problems as the entire series is basically an ad for other books.

Technically, there's other comics in the west that does other themes, and in fact much of the period between the Silver and Golden age was dominated by them. You had your romances, westerns, war stories, horror, and so on. It's just capeshit has dominated the media and most of the comic readers gravitate to capeshit.

Shit... I kind of want to get the full compilation of Sgt. Rock now that I'm reminded of non-capeshit. I loved the small tradebook my dad had of him.

I once heard a conspiracy theory (might even have been here) that the comics code authority had Marvel and DC backing and oddly specific rules in order to shut down their none super hero rivals like EC and Mad.

 

[One Man Bland]

I read Green Lantern Corps. Part way through an arc it is revealed the villains were cyborg superman and some guy with big teeth. I was assumed to know who they were, what their motivations were, and why they should be stopped.

In another comic I read, part of the plot was resolved when a character from another book took over the comic for an issue or 2 and sorted out many of the heroes problems. That same comic series had a rushed ending that left the door open for a sequel. From what I read they cut it short to work on another project.

That's how it happens. It's plot lines being resolved in another book, characters turning up out of nowhere and we're expected to know, or bullshit that reads like it was pulled out of the writers arse but is actually a reference to something that happened years ago.

You could argue I was unlucky, but I don't think that's the case. Spoony goes on a tangent about comics in one of his counter monkey videos, and I see similar stories repeated elsewhere. I don't think people would be saying these things if it didn't happen. Linkara's review of countdown goes into these problems as the entire series is basically an ad for other books.

It's especially bad for the Events that The Big Two been doing increasingly more of where major plot points are sometimes designated to the side-comics, which don't get collected in the eventual trade paperbacks. The two biggest offenders at the top of my head are Blackest Night - where what's basically the second act of the event that allows everything to make sense was relegated to two other books, so the climax comes right the hell out of nowhere if you're just reading the main Blackest Night issues - and Civil War 2 - where a major plot reveal that is essential to understanding both Civil War 2 and the event that immediately came after it was put inside a random Captain America tie-in that no one was going to pick up because people were still pissed at Nick Spencer.

It's also just a general phenomenon that comic book writers also tend to looooove their continuity porn, so it often seems like they can't help themselves in what's supposed to be a straight stand-alone comic and just have to put in some reveal or plot development that only makes sense if you've been keeping up with the main title and the 3-5 team-up books the character's currently being featured in. Or when they do crossover guest appearances in other books, they'll reference events that happened in those with the expectation that you obviously picked up Moon Girl #10 if you're currently reading Ms. Marvel. Obviously.

Hell, it's not even limited to just the comics. With all those big name comicbook writers making the jump to animated television, there's also been an influx of including continuity porn there too, even when the target audience is even less inclined to enjoy it.

 

[Least Concern]

Okay, so we know the issues involved with continuity. So what are the solutions? Is it possible for American comics to adapt manga-style self-contained timelines with a definite beginning and (usually) end, but still keep the characters that both comic fans and the wider pop culture know and love?

I assume people at the Big Two are already aware of these concerns. Have they done anything to address them, or are they concerned with doing so because it would make their product too different - or, as RockVolnutt put it above…

There's literally no way to kill the concept of continuity without killing the product instead.