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Megathread Insane Parents of "Transgender" Kids - Parents who push a transgender identity on their children
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Not always.
Generally, you can guess the reason for trooning out by seeing when it happened.
Before school = crazy parents
In school, but before puberty = crazy parents or being a social outcast
Early puberty, especially if a girl = being a social outcast and hating the process of puberty
Men and boys after puberty = autogynephilia
Young women in the First World = trying to be different
There are also autists who troon out because of being fixated on some shallow aspects of the opposite gender, it usually overlaps with one of the above, but not always.
That checklist works surprisingly well. Jazz isn't an autogynephile, he became a "girl" before he experienced sexual attraction.
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You see, some of us don't know English properly.
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Depends on sexuality too, a lot of MtFs are gay men who don't want to deal with being men attracted to men, so they want to become women. Especially common in homophobic cultures that have a "third gender" for gay men, like Indian hijra or Thai ladyboys. It's a way to "tolerate" gay men and also say that they're not "real men", they're a sort of third thing instead. It's pretty homophobic but white western troons will always say "of course there are lots of genders, what about [foreign slur for gay men]?"
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Looking up this show and it’s just putting this child under a spotlight for going on four years. This feels like the psychological equivalent of a public vivisection. Thousands of people who want to watch and discuss all the private things of a child’s life, on tv, where cola companies can stick ads on it.
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Riley Dennis made a notable video about Islam. Riley said that Iran is one of the most open places for trans people. Little did Riley know that the reason people transition there is because they’re gay and it’s one of the only ways to avoid being killed.
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Iran is literally what A Handmaid's Tale is about.
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No it’s a cautionary tale about the US!!
Seriously, Riley would be stoned in Iran or thrown off a building. I’m sure he knows this and is just being a disingenuous piece of garbage not expecting his idiot followers to do any research.
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Riley's straight, he wouldn't get killed. Like Magdalen Berns says, "if Riley and his 'cis' girlfriend go to one of those countries [where being homosexual is illegal], they're not going to get killed. Because they know what a homosexual is."
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The companies that air these shows are fucking scum. It makes you nostalgic for the days of the Colosseum where they just threw lions to Christians.
It is just a woke version of that Quiverfull cult Duggar show about the family of child molesters.
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So here's a follow-up on an interview with a crazy trans-parent. It's like super-anonymous, except for the dozens of photos provided, and the fact the family live in the Bay Area, the 25 minute Youtube with her name on it, and then the public FB profile with Pride flags all over it.
There's a FB post from 12 October 2015: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153600362642295&set=a.433993162294&type=3&theater (http://archive.li/JDkWK) where the poor boy's name has already been trooned from Luke to Gracie (he's 4 there; now 7)
Dad has a 'up the IRA' post on his FB, because nothing says 'pride' like blowing people up.
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/44...rms-with-young-daughters-transgender-identity
I think that before the transition there was a part of Gracie that had to resign to whatever we told her, and so she was just sort of coasting.
Your kid was four years old, crazy people. Coasting isn't a word that applies to four year olds.
Pre-troon:
There's a FB post from 12 October 2015: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153600362642295&set=a.433993162294&type=3&theater (http://archive.li/JDkWK) where the poor boy's name has already been trooned from Luke to Gracie (he's 4 there; now 7)
Dad has a 'up the IRA' post on his FB, because nothing says 'pride' like blowing people up.
https://www.kqed.org/futureofyou/44...rms-with-young-daughters-transgender-identity
Last year in the course of reporting the controversy over socially transitioning young transgender children, I met a mother, Molly, and her then-six-year-old transgender daughter, Gracie. (The family, which lives in the Bay Area, doesn't want their last name used for reasons of privacy.) Gracie had socially transitioned at the age of four.
A social transition is distinct from one that involves medical procedures like taking hormones or undergoing surgery. Rather, in a social transition, family, friends, teachers and classmates begin referring to the child by their new name and pronoun -- "she" and "her," for example, instead of "he" and "him." Many children will also start wearing clothes outside the home that are traditionally associated with their new gender.
Even without a medical intervention, the decision by parents to allow their children to socially transition can be agonizing. In Molly's case, she believes the family absolutely made the right decision in allowing Gracie to socially transition. And since Molly was so articulate in describing her emotional journey around the transition, from denial to acceptance to gratitude, we wanted to let her tell that story in her own words.
The following is an edited transcript of Molly's answers during our interview ...
'She Took Every Opportunity to Tell Us'
As soon as Gracie could tell us, it was, 'I'm a girl. I'm a sister. I'm a daughter. I'm that girl on that show. I'm that girl in that book. I'm the princess.' She took every opportunity to tell us she was a girl. She took every towel and blanket and turned it into long hair.
We would not let her leave the house with any of those things, so it was all behind closed doors. It felt really isolating because here you have this child who's showing you all these signs of not being the way you thought they would or that society tells you they should.
It was really, really hard. I don't think people realize when they think about kids this age that it isn't something that they just wake up and say one day, and then you're like, "Oh, that's what you want to be today? Great, like let's go explore that and let's be that." It's a battle. It's difficult as a parent to watch those signs develop in your child, and to know your child's life is going to be harder because of who they are. Because of society wanting them to fit somewhere that your child is telling you they don't.
Trucks, Dinosaurs and Superheroes
Early on, we tried to discourage Gracie's transgender identity, and we filled her world with trucks and dinosaurs and superheroes. We refused "girl things." Like, 'No, you can't be Elsa for Halloween. You have to be Superman. No, you can't have the dolls for Christmas. We're going to get you a pirate ship.' We just really tried everything we could. That's the part I'm ashamed of now.
Gracie, 7, poses for a picture in her room. (Lauren Hanussak/KQED)
'What If He Changes His Mind?'
There's a lot of advice out there about following your child's lead if they're telling you that this is how they feel. But I always felt like how can I just follow their lead when I'm the one that they're looking to set those boundaries and guidelines?
We went to an expert. We asked, 'What if we do this? What if we let our son walk into the world in a dress with fairy wings, and crowns, and high heels, and even just in regular girl clothes? What if we let him do all of this, and he gets to express himself, and then he changes his mind, and we just went through all of this for nothing?'
The therapist said: "That's not the question. The question is:
What if you don't do it?" She said, "What will happen, and what I'm hearing when you describe the insistence of Gracie, is you're going to end up with a child who's anxious and depressed and feels ashamed.
As soon as I knew there was even a chance that my kid could feel ashamed of who they are, there was no way. I had to support. I had to listen. I had to let her steer a little bit. Because there was no way I was going to raise a child who was ashamed of who they are. Period. My job is to set boundaries and guidelines, but it's also to teach them to be proud of who they are no matter what, and that's what we're doing.
On Making the Decision to Let Gracie Become a Girl
Before the transition, the most incredible moments of having a child were passing us by. Life seemed sort of lackluster. You never got to see that sparkle, or that magic of a Christmas morning or a Halloween. Or just regular day-to day-happiness.
I got to a point where I was like, I can't do it anymore. I need to see my child light up. We were at Marshalls one day and they had a display of children's Easter dresses. I just remember thinking, 'Oh crap. How am I gonna steer you away from this?'
My husband was with me and we both looked at each other. We told Gracie: "You can pick a dress." We let our then-son pick a dress, and Gracie would tear through the house to get to the dress the second she got home. For at least a year, she wore it all over the house . I just kicked myself for it taking so long to do that and to open the world to her like that. Also, for just caring so much about what other people would've thought.
Grief, Then Gratitude
There was a time when there was a lot of grief for me around the loss of the idea of my son. There was a point in time when I thought I may never recover from that. Now I look at pictures of Gracie as a baby and all I see is her face with the wrong haircut and the wrong clothes. It's completely shifted. There was a time when I didn't know that that would be possible.
But ultimately, my husband and I are both so grateful because this has given us the opportunity to lead more meaningful lives. Now we have this huge emphasis on teaching our kids about acceptance and tolerance, and being really proud of who you are and self-love. I hope that I would've emphasized those things anyway, but now there's no question.
I think that before the transition there was a part of Gracie that had to resign to whatever we told her, and so she was just sort of coasting.
Now she gets to really live.
I think that before the transition there was a part of Gracie that had to resign to whatever we told her, and so she was just sort of coasting.
Your kid was four years old, crazy people. Coasting isn't a word that applies to four year olds.
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Have to say, I didn't think there would be any overlap between 'Irish nationalists' and 'people who troon out their kids'.
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This particular child abuse victim has had a lot of coverage in the Australian media over the years
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/29...s-australia-child-self-harm-and-mental-health
This is the doctor, Elizabeth Riley, gender identity specialist.
Bitch, you got short hair, you need to become Dr. Elliott Riley.
“I wanted to die,” Evie, now 13, told 9news.com.au.
“I would’ve rather gone to heaven and been a girl than live here as a boy.”
Sorry Evie, trannies are going to hell.
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/01/29...s-australia-child-self-harm-and-mental-health
It began when she was just two.
Evie Macdonald always knew she was a girl but was assigned male at birth.
From age nine, she was ready to end her life.
From Ethan to Evie – Thirteen-year-old trans child shares her story of being assigned the wrong sex at birth. (Supplied)
“I wanted to die,” Evie, now 13, told 9news.com.au.
“I would’ve rather gone to heaven and been a girl than live here as a boy.”
Evie is one of an estimated 45,000 school-aged Australians who identify as trans, with horrifying new figures showing four out of five will self-harm and at least half will attempt suicide.
Born as Ethan, Evie remembers always feeling “different” at school.
“I had this feeling I was a girl and something was wrong with me,” she said.
“It was really confusing. I wanted to be a princess and I wanted to play with Barbie dolls.
“I always felt as though I was a girl.”
Evie’s parents, Meagan and Scott, from Melbourne, thought it was just a phase.
But for Evie, it was a matter of life and death.
“One time I made this really pretty necklace, bracelet and ring in class with pink and white tones,” she said.
“I had them in the car and mum said ‘Is that for me?’ and I said ‘No, it’s for me’. We got into a fight because she said they were for girls and she then threw them out the window.
“When we got home I was really angry and upset and said: ‘Why can’t you accept me for who I am?’“
Months later, Evie shocked her mum by sharing her darkest feelings.
“I went to mum and said ‘I need to tell you something but I can’t say it’ so she passed me her phone and told me to write it down,” Evie said.
“I wrote: ‘I want to die’.”
Those four words changed Evie and her family’s lives forever.
“Mum then said she’d rather have a daughter that is alive than a son who is dead,” she said.
The Macdonalds, finally understanding it was not just a stage, turned to The Royal Children’s Hospital Melbourne for help.
“My child was really struggling with her mental health and with her life because I was unsupportive,” Ms Macdonald, 36, told 9news.com.au.
“I knew it was then me who had the problem. If I didn’t support Evie, I know she wouldn’t be here today. She would’ve at least attempted suicide multiple times or even worse, completed it.”
REFERRALS ARE SKYROCKETING
The number of children who identify as trans, like Evie, is growing.
At least half of these children are suicidal.
According to The Royal Children’s Hospital, 1.2 per cent of the adolescent population identify as transgender with children as young as three expressing concerns about their biological sex.
Gender clinics across the country, including all major children’s hospitals, have seen a huge increase in GP referrals of children with gender dysphoria.
Figures exclusively provided to 9news.com.au show that at The Children’s Hospital at Westmead, there was 54 new referrals last year compared to one patient in 2013.
“The increase in referrals is partly due to increased awareness of gender related conditions,” a hospital spokeswoman said.
“Specialised assessment involves consultation with specialists in adolescent medicine, psychological medicine and endocrinology.”
The spokeswomen said an additional $160,000 has been set aside for the hospital in 2018-19 to build a multidisciplinary gender dysphoria service.
“NSW Health is committed to providing world-class clinical care for children and adolescents with gender dysphoria,” she said.
Referral numbers have grown at The Royal Children’s Hospital from one patient every two years from 2013 to more than 250 referrals last year.
The average age of children referred to the hospital is 12.
Research at the hospital shows that 96 per cent of children diagnosed with gender dysphoria have continued to identify as gender diverse and no patient who commenced stage two treatment has wanted to transition back to their birth sex.
“Parents are supporting their children, they are recognising what’s going on and they’re seeking professional support because they can see they need help and I think that’s the most significant change,” Dr Elizabeth Riley, who is a specialist in gender identity, told 9news.com.au.
“My first transgender client was in 1998 but a shift started to happen about 10 years ago. Social acceptance is increasing and parents become stronger advocates for the needs of their children.
“This is vastly different to the climate of fear, judgement and ignorance that was around more than 20 years ago when children were punished, beaten, abandoned or institutionalised for expressing gender diversity.”
PROCESS OF TRANSITIONING
In a landmark 2017 ruling, gender diverse youths were no longer required to go through The Family Court to access hormone treatment – making transitioning much easier.
The charge was spearheaded by teenager and transgender advocate Georgie Stone, who was the youngest person in the country to be granted hormone blockers at just 10 years old.
The first step in the transition process involves undergoing gender affirmation sessions, including changing their names and clothing.
Stage one of treatment involves the use of puberty blocking drugs usually taken in early adolescence and stage two is irreversible cross-sex hormone treatment and surgery.
Evie is currently in stage one, taking hormone blockers.
“It’s our first generation of children in Australia who have been able to live as their true selves from a young age,” Ms Macdonald said.
“But what kids have to go through if they’re trans is not an easy thing. Evie’s had psychiatric care since she was nine. She’s had fertility specialist appointments. Evie has a paediatrician and now that she’s on hormone blockers, she has to do that every three months.
“If Evie doesn’t do the medical transition she wants and has asked for, what’s the other side of that? The other side is I don’t have a child who will even make it to adulthood.
“She’s openly said to me: ‘If my voice breaks, I’ll kill myself’.”
‘THESE CHILDREN ARE JUST CHILDREN’
As the number of children identifying as trans increases, so too is the range of available support services.
Ms Macdonald and her friend, Karyn Walker, set up Parents of Gender Diverse Children to provide peer support and connect families across Australia.
“There was a lot of distress among families. For some parents, there is a period of grief of saying goodbye to the little boy or girl they were so excited to be having,” she said.
“The life I envisioned for my child was a happy one, free of discrimination but because of society, that is different.
“They don’t want any special consideration. Trans kids don’t stand out. They are just normal children who don’t want to be singled out in class and in the schoolground.”
Dr Riley said she had visited about 50 schools across New South Wales to educate staff on the needs of trans children.
“These children are just children,” Dr Riley said.
“The truth is any school that has a few hundred students, there’s going to be at least a couple of transgender children.
“I go to schools to educate the staff so they feel more comfortable. They begin to change their language so they’re not saying ‘all the girls go and do this’. We want them to say ‘all the children that are doing this activity come over here’ and that way it opens it up so there’s not that gender divide.”
Photographer Emma Leslie put trans children issues into focus with her Transcend portrait series in 2016.
She photographed 10 children aged five to 17 years old, including Evie, to make public the struggle many children faced about their identity.
“I wanted to photograph something that challenged the norms and something society was scared to talk about,” Ms Leslie said.
“It has created a lot of awareness and made the children feel happy because I photographed them for who they are.”
For Ms Macdonald, one of the hardest parts of Evie’s transition has been people not accepting her daughter for who she is
But her daughter’s happiness has always been her top priority.
“The amount of times I’ve been called a child abuser because I allow my child to live in the gender she identifies as,” she said.
“When I look at the situation of what we were in when we were stopping her doing that, that was actually child abuse in my eyes now.
“She got to the point where she thought suicide was the only way out.”
*Evie Macdonald gave permission for 9news.com.au to use her old name.
This is the doctor, Elizabeth Riley, gender identity specialist.
Bitch, you got short hair, you need to become Dr. Elliott Riley.
“I wanted to die,” Evie, now 13, told 9news.com.au.
“I would’ve rather gone to heaven and been a girl than live here as a boy.”
Sorry Evie, trannies are going to hell.
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I'm watching I Am Jazz and re: his neovagina he's like "it still feels like a penis but it also isn't." Yeah, no shit.
(It's also very creepy to hear his grandma tell her what a beautiful "vagina" he has. Her mother was also waaay too excited to see the neovagina.
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Jazz's case especially pisses me off. Like all these children he had no chance to explore himself as a person. Maybe he would've been cis, maybe he would've been trans. I don't know, we don't know, and he'll certainly never know because he's been turned into a guinea pig with a show and merchandise (there is a doll modeled after him as well as that book).
(It's also very creepy to hear his grandma tell her what a beautiful "vagina" he has. Her mother was also waaay too excited to see the neovagina.
)Jazz's case especially pisses me off. Like all these children he had no chance to explore himself as a person. Maybe he would've been cis, maybe he would've been trans. I don't know, we don't know, and he'll certainly never know because he's been turned into a guinea pig with a show and merchandise (there is a doll modeled after him as well as that book).
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Totally. Riley's a manipulative piece of shit, so most likely he'd go "butch lesbian" to avoid getting into trouble.
Jazz's case especially pisses me off. Like all these children he had no chance to explore himself as a person. Maybe he would've been cis said:
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I'm watching I Am Jazz and re: his neovagina he's like "it still feels like a penis but it also isn't." Yeah, no shit.
(It's also very creepy to hear his grandma tell her what a beautiful "vagina" he has. Her mother was also waaay too excited to see the neovagina.
Jazz's case especially pisses me off. Like all these children he had no chance to explore himself as a person. Maybe he would've been cis, maybe he would've been trans. I don't know, we don't know, and he'll certainly never know because he's been turned into a guinea pig with a show and merchandise (there is a doll modeled after him as well as that book).
I feel really bad for Jazz...he's going to die a virgin.
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All I hope is that Jazz might realize what his parents did and instead just go full gay. Don't a lot of these kids who feel dysphoric and never transition just end up coming out as gay/lesbian at an older age?
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He's probably already been molested.
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I think the somewhat likely scenario is a manifesto detailing how fucked up the treatment of him was, how wrong and evil his mother and the troon crowd are, and then a murder-suicide.
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