Bentley Emails: December 2013 - Updated/Fixed

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I disagree that Chris doesn't realise his behaviour is abhorent. While there are definitely things he does that he's oblivious to the consequences of, he constantly shows that he knows a lot of his bullshit is unacceptable.

That's why he'll rant about gay men and then apologise in the next breath; he knows the behaviour is unacceptable but he will not modify his behaviour, he'll just do it and apologise. He thinks an apology makes it like the offense never happened, as evidenced by him not understanding why he got the tresspass notice after his apology, and his going into the FSM as soon as he'd sent the apology letter.

It was interesting to hear what episodes of Seinfeld Chris likes best.
 
For The Internet said:
I disagree that Chris doesn't realise his behaviour is abhorent. While there are definitely things he does that he's oblivious to the consequences of, he constantly shows that he knows a lot of his bullshit is unacceptable.

That's why he'll rant about gay men and then apologise in the next breath; he knows the behaviour is unacceptable but he will not modify his behaviour, he'll just do it and apologise. He thinks an apology makes it like the offense never happened, as evidenced by him not understanding why he got the tresspass notice after his apology, and his going into the FSM as soon as he'd sent the apology letter.

It was interesting to hear what episodes of Seinfeld Chris likes best.
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Not exactly, my take on his apologies are he uses them like cheat codes a get out of jail free card if you will. He can't quite comprehend why people find what he say's objectionable but they might still offer him something of value so he apples the verbal equivalent of Up, Down, Left, Right, [Start], A an all is forgotten an move on to the next level.

I have yet to see a genuine apology from him on any subject, to feel an give a genuine apology you need to posses empathy Chris has little or non and also has a problem with event recall in a Coherent fashion to him events unrelated to each other get jumbled an he fills in the blanks, and he will only really focus on thing's he chooses to believe are positive further impairing his already inaccurate recall of event's.
 
timtommy said:
I can't argue with the truth in that. But based on reading and watching Chris interactions with other potential friends, I think that the Wallflower's willingness to befriend him can be chalked up to either oddity, loneliness, or generosity on her part.
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Yeah, that seems most likely. I also seem to recall she was trying to placate her mother, who nudged her into joining the Young Adult Social Group (even though Chris was almost 28 years old by then). If whoever admitted Chris to the program (Rocky?), knew about what a social deviant Chris was (Rocky even knew a little bit of his sexual deviancy), I sincerely hope they were pulled from running the program... They may have dodged a lawsuit by the skin of their teeth.

One anomaly that sort of makes me wonder about Chris' ability to filter his stupidity, was Chris' Big Nights Out. Yes, he was awkward in all the videos, but he was otherwise well behaved in the few minutes we got to witness. It also took him a few years to get kicked out of Grace Baptist Church, which has a reputation of not taking a lot of baloney. Stuff like that suggests that he can act like a domesticated animal for short durations, which furthermore might suggests that maybe he chooses to be an ass the rest of the time. The constant apology - whether or not it's genuine - at least suggests he's dimly aware when he's being socially inappropriate.

Admittedly, I'm just theorizing, though... Hopefully - for his sake - he can stop being a punk, if he winds up incarcerated.
 
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he's dimly aware when he's being socially inappropriate
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He is aware but for most of his life people let him get away with outbursts because he was the special little kid who didn't really know what he was saying.
All Chris learned was he just had to say an apology and people wouldn't judge him by what he just said. Considering what you said about the Baptist Church it could well be their tendency to not put up with that sort of thing contributed to Chris not being banned from there, he learned to restrain himself while at Church because the magic apology didn't work with them. Most people are content with being a bit passive aggressive and just stop talking to Chris rather than flat out tell him he's being offensive and needs to stop
 
Thetan said:
Chris is capable of making friends, he proved this with the Wallflower:
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I understand where you're coming from but I still think that's an optimistic reading. The Wallflower was a pretty sad and weird character herself. She met Chris in the "Young Adult Social Group" which ain't exactly a sign that she's socially awesome herself. She seems to have pitied Chris, as Megan did before her and as others did before Megan, and befriended him largely as a result of that pity. But, Chris being Chris, he sees no value in friendships unless he thinks he can get china. He went along with her owl fetish and her fixation on fanfic but only because he thought it was the path to pussy.

Try as I might, I just can't see the capacity for making friends in Chris either in this particular instance or in general. I think butt in trouble said it best here:
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I have to agree and the most striking evidence that this statement is true is the fact that Chris has never wanted to associate with anyone who isn't a possible sweetheart for him. In fact, unless you're possible scissor-fodder, Chris usually will think of you as a deeply flawed and depraved person simply because you can't offer him sex. When it became obvious that Megan never interested in him at all, Chris decided she was "evil" and deserved to be beaten up. When The Wallflower broke off contact with Chris because he jumped to the conclusion they were a couple Chris actually expected her to apologize to him...because she wouldn't have sex with him. And MALES cannot offer Chris sex because Chris is STRAIGHT or a Lesbian soul or whatever his latest fetish is so therefore Chris sees no reason to even entertain the idea that he could be friends with a male.
TL;DR You're not a person to Chris unless you're attractive and have a china.
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LightningStrikes said:
One anomaly that sort of makes me wonder about Chris' ability to filter his stupidity, was Chris' Big Nights Out. Yes, he was awkward in all the videos, but he was otherwise well behaved in the few minutes we got to witness. It also took him a few years to get kicked out of Grace Baptist Church, which has a reputation of not taking a lot of baloney. Stuff like that suggests that he can act like a domesticated animal for short durations, which furthermore might suggests that maybe he chooses to be an ass the rest of the time. The constant apology - whether or not it's genuine - at least suggests he's dimly aware when he's being socially inappropriate.

Admittedly, I'm just theorizing, though... Hopefully - for his sake - he can stop being a punk, if he winds up incarcerated.
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I haven't consumed any liquids for a couple hours. Doesn't prove I am capable of not consuming liquids indefinitely.

Someone not being creepy or offensive for a few minutes doesn't exactly prove they are capable of not being creepy and offensive indefinitely. Chris isn't capable of filtering himself, so he says or does whatever shit comes to his head. Sometimes that is creepy, a lot of the time it is just boring. But either way, he is going to say it.

As for the apologies: The fact that the apologies come in the same message as the offense in some of these emails is pretty revealing. At some point before sending the message, either before, during, or after writing something offensive, he realized it was offensive. But he didn't edit the message, he just tacked on an apology. It is like a parody of the "it's easier to apologize than ask permission" attitude. To me it shows that he really, really, doesn't want to filter himself.

So I guess overall I would say that maybe Chris COULD be less offensive. But only in the way he could get a job, could lose 40 pounds, could stop playing with legos, or could move to Wyoming. There is nothing actually preventing him, but it would be a huge change and he really doesn't want to make it.
 
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So I guess overall I would say that maybe Chris COULD be less offensive. But only in the way he could get a job, could lose 40 pounds, could stop playing with legos, or could move to Wyoming. There is nothing actually preventing him, but it would be a huge change and he really doesn't want to make it.
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Exactly. There are a lot of changes Chris could make. But before he could ever find the motivation to make those changes, he'd have to become a completely different person. Every aspect of his personality makes him inclined to either do nothing, or do the wrong thing.

As an aside, I am pretty surprised Chris is such a big Seinfeld fan. It kinda freaks me out, because this is the first time I've had anything in common with Chris. Now I know how Null must feel when Chris talks about Lego.
 
Hmm, yeah. :) Good points, and in those times when he was well behaved, it could have been the presence of some kind of authority figure suppressing him. For all of the absurd behavior we got in the early days, Chris really went off the rails once Bob - seemingly the biggest voice of authority in Chris' life - passed away. That falls in line with what Marvin has suggested, about Chris behaving himself (if unwillingly) if there's someone constantly looming over him and tugging at his figurative leash (though a literal one may not be out of the question).
 
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timtommy said:
At some point before sending the message, either before, during, or after writing something offensive, [Chris] realized it was offensive. But he didn't edit the message, he just tacked on an apology.
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This behavior has always fascinated me.

If this only happened in writing, then we could attribute Chris' behavior to him being an asshole, or not wanting to filter himself, or not being able to concentrate due to his mind going blank, or his belief that he's always perfect.

But it's got to be something deeper than that. To fail to retract something that could easily not have been sent in the first place is consistent with how he approaches everything else in life: "Fuck it; this is good enough. Let's keep going."

You can see this in action in the "CWC - Hand Drawn Original" video. He's trying to demonstrate to Kacey that he's the "real" CWC by showing how he draws Sonichu. If ever there were a time when he'd do his best possible work, this would be it. But no.

He grabs a pen-- not a pencil!-- and goes to town on his first (and only) take. He acknowledges that he's screwing it up, but it he never makes that crucial leap to understand that perhaps he should be doing it differently:
Chris said:
I kinda messed up on that one. But oh well, we'll work with it.
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I could've done a little better on this, but we're pressed for time.
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It's tempting to just say that Chris is lazy. Sure, he is lazy, and he does have an aversion to doing work, but that still doesn't add up.

When there's china on the line-- and he certainly seemed to think there was in this case-- Chris has proven himself capable of previously-impossible tasks like scrubbing a tile in his shower or driving all the way up to Cleveland. If he can do that, why can't he get it together and hit the "backspace" key when he types something stupid or make a new drawing when he fucks one up?

No matter how lazy he is, Chris should still care how is work is perceived. Is it possible that he doesn't know his work is terrible (in the same way that he doesn't know that he can't sing)?

This guy never ceases to amaze.
 
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timtommy said:
As for the apologies: The fact that the apologies come in the same message as the offense in some of these emails is pretty revealing. At some point before sending the message, either before, during, or after writing something offensive, he realized it was offensive. But he didn't edit the message, he just tacked on an apology. It is like a parody of the "it's easier to apologize than ask permission" attitude. To me it shows that he really, really, doesn't want to filter himself.
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I'm wondering if he sees filtering himself as not being "true and honest" - just like how he needed to tell everyone he was a virgin, or how he brings up all his trolling "stress" unprompted to anyone who's listening. He can't NOT say what he's thinking about a thing, even in an email, because it's dishonest. So he types out the rant then apologises in the next paragraph.
 
Enormous Red Straw said:
This behavior has always fascinated me.

If this only happened in writing, then we could attribute Chris' behavior to him being an asshole, or not wanting to filter himself, or not being able to concentrate due to his mind going black, or his belief that he's always perfect.

But it's got to be something deeper than that. To fail to retract something that could easily not have been sent in the first place is consistent with how he approaches everything else in life: "Fuck it; this is good enough. Let's keep going."

You can see this in action in the "CWC - Hand Drawn Original" video. He's trying to demonstrate to Kacey that he's the "real" CWC by showing how he draws Sonichu. If ever there were a time when he'd do his best possible work, this would be it. But no.

He grabs a pen-- not a pencil!-- and goes to town on his first (and only) take. He acknowledges that he's screwing it up, but it he never makes that crucial leap to understand that perhaps he should be doing it differently:


It's tempting to just say that Chris is lazy. Sure, he is lazy, and he does have an aversion to doing work, but that still doesn't add up.

When there's china on the line-- and he certainly seemed to think there was in this case-- Chris has proven himself capable of previously-impossible tasks like scrubbing a tile in his shower or driving all the way up to Cleveland. If he can do that, why can't he get it together and hit the "backspace" key when he types something stupid or make a new drawing when he fucks one up?

No matter how lazy he is, Chris should still care how is work is perceived. Is it possible that he doesn't know his work is terrible (in the same way that he doesn't know that he can't sing)?

This guy never ceases to amaze.
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The classic example of that for me was the failed pull-up attempt. He did it first shot, without checking if he was actually capable of a pull-up. He failed miserably, and then decided to keep and send the video, instead of deleting it and making some excuse about it. That was a case where he had to know he had failed. It is a binary outcome, and he even acknowledged it himself. So although I am sure his ego has a lot to do with it, and he thinks a lot of his crappy work is pretty good there has to be something more.

I have a couple theories:

1. He tends to say "at least I tried" in those scenarios. Growing up he probably got used to doing a crappy job and then getting praise for giving it a shot. Because he internalizes childhood experiences way too much, he became convinced that trying and failing is a universally admired virtue. Maybe he sees showing his failures as authentic and admirable.

2. Since he has a poor understanding of other people's minds, maybe "if I don't tell them, they won't know" is not instinctual for him. He tends to assume that everyone he talks to knows all about him. Maybe he has an instinct that people know he failed at something so there is no point in hiding it. (If this is true, it would obviously be subconscious).

3. The simplest explanation is that he has no shame. It's not that he doesn't want people to like him, it's just that he doesn't seem to have a great sense that things he says or does affect people's opinion of him. He assumes that trolls and other people he doesn't like hate him for no reason. So why should he filter his own words or actions? He doesn't care if it bothers or offends you, and he assumes it doesn't affect what you think of him.
 
timtommy said:
3. The simplest explanation is that he has no shame. It's not that he doesn't want people to like him, it's just that he doesn't seem to have a great sense that things he says or does affect people's opinion of him. He assumes that trolls and other people he doesn't like hate him for no reason. So why should he filter his own words or actions? He doesn't care if it bothers or offends you, and he assumes it doesn't affect what you think of him.
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Completely agree. He really doesn't see a connection between a person's actions and their label. So he can lie and still be TRUE AND HONEST for example, because to him the 'honest' label is completely arbitrary and divorced from his actions. He is honest because he says he is, and his actions have absolutely no bearing on it.
 
harvey dirdban said:
He can't legally say Snyder's name? That's new.

& A+ on the Soap recommendation :lol:
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Chris mentioned this last year when he decided to attack Megan for Sailor Moon dvds since she was in league with The Jew and caused all his future pains and sufferings. From what I've gathered, he thinks that his lawyer saying "shut your mouth" and the court saying "Do not slander this business owner" is like a never ending universal ban on saying the name Snyder.

Which makes sense, considering all the universal bans he's received everywhere else.
 
timtommy said:
As for the apologies: The fact that the apologies come in the same message as the offense in some of these emails is pretty revealing. At some point before sending the message, either before, during, or after writing something offensive, he realized it was offensive. But he didn't edit the message, he just tacked on an apology. It is like a parody of the "it's easier to apologize than ask permission" attitude. To me it shows that he really, really, doesn't want to filter himself.
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I think there's a passive-aggressive streak to the rant-apology thing. He simply has to rant, but he knows people don't like it - how many times has he been pulled up on the homophobia thing? But rather than not express those opinions, he does so and then apologises, because otherwise how will people know how much he suffers? He can have his cake and eat it by expressing his displeasure with the world, and then he can show what a stand-up guy he is by apologising.
Smutley said:
Chris mentioned this last year when he decided to attack Megan for Sailor Moon dvds since she was in league with The Jew and caused all his future pains and sufferings. From what I've gathered, he thinks that his lawyer saying "shut your mouth" and the court saying "Do not slander this business owner" is like a never ending universal ban on saying the name Snyder.
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To this day I don't think he believes he did anything wrong that day (or at least has convinced himself that that's the case), so he's playing it safe.
 
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