Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Niggaplease]

Eh, Never hurts to be prepared. just as long as you don't fuck over your finances in the process.

All of it was on sale like literally bought a a gallon of vodka that would normally cost 50 for 20.

 

[Atomic Wangler]

Well, India already reported about 600+ cases in the state of Kerala alone, so no, containment possibilities at least for them are long gone. There is no conceivable way to stop the spread in the conditions of India. Too much people, too bad hygiene, too little common knowledge about diseases etc.

Didn't we just get the first confirmed case in India yesterday? Did it spread that quickly there because they live on top of each other in the cities?

 

[LazyLizard]

The mortality rate in confirmed cases with confirmed recoveries va confirmed deaths.

So essentially you're basing your 50% on horseshit.

In the first world it's still 0% and I'm willing to bet my mask, food and water stash it sure as shit won't be 50% in the west.

maybe not, hopefully not but as far as we know with the statistics we have been given it has an over 50% mortality rate. i really fucking hope it's just because of chinas shitty healthcare and the death toll in the west will be far lower.

 

[Niggaplease]

Didn't we just get the first confirmed case in India yesterday? Did it spread that quickly there because they live on top of each other in the cities?

Both, India is ass backwards. And right next to China, would not be suprised.

 

[Overly Serious]

You really only need the first line, since that's the only bit relevant to any kind of panic situation.

It's actually better with only the first line, since the later parts especially about people thinking the Earth was flat, are wrong.

 

[Rudy Russo]

I kinda want to ask this on the Hong Kong megathread, but I'll ask it here.
What do you think are the chances that entire regions in China will straight up declare independence? There isn't a better time than now, China won't be able to mobilize punitive forces effectively and the politicians declating independence will have the ability to blame China of incompetence.

Even with the Wu flu China has plenty of troops sitting on their asses with nothing to do.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

The virus itself is not that worrysome. SARS had 10% mortality, I'm going to bet this one is going to be about the same, and much like every other virus, it'll mostly just wipe through risk groups and give everyone else a week of feeling awful and that's about it. But here's what people don't get: THE BLACK PLAGUE WAS ALSO NOT THAT WORRYSOME. You may think this is a joke, but the first recorded case of someone healing from the black plague, was accomplished through rest and food, that's it.

You see, dear forum members, risk groups are a funny thing, here in the west we just see them as old people, babies, HIV infected people and people going through chemotherapy. But there's a lot more than that, things that increase mortality include people who are
-overworked
-underfed or have poor nutrition
-have lack of sleep or rest
-live in areas with high atmospheric contamination of certain types
-do stupid shit that makes things worse due to lack of education and/or religious beliefs
-don't do anything to counter the virus (such as resting and eating well) due to lack of education and/or stubbornness
-suffer from stress, anxiety or depression (past a certain point where it is severe)
-have other infections

Furthermore things that increase both mortality and the reach of the virus are
-high contamination yet again
-poor hygiene
-overcrowded environments
-uneducated populations
And all of these things also include the chance of having other infections, which as stated above, increases mortality yet again.

So why is this important... Well. This is what turned the black death from a frankly not that awful virus that wouldn't have caused too much impact into a horror of unprecedented proportions, europe was filthy, overcrowded, malnourished and lacked the knowledge to combat it, the west has learned a lot since, and implemented it. China? China literally fills all the boxes, and most of their population filles at least 2 of the boxes from the prior list, it basically is one hypermassive risk group. And THIS is why they're scared shitless of this virus. It won't do much in the west, but it can and if left alone will tear china a new asshole.

 

[Innominandum]

Coronavirus Special - Episode #19
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[pull over dat ass too fat]

dude I've had constant unproductive cough all day and ngl I'm spooked. pray for me bröthers

The WHO crawled up China's backside a long time ago. It pays to treat them with the same level of skepticism one treats other large global organizations who are bound to play the politics game in favour of where the money and influence is coming from.

Last year the WHO legitimized the use of TCM adding it to their global diagnostic compendium. WHO was headed from 2006-2017 by a former Hong Kong Director of Health who was heavily criticized for her mishandling of Avian Flu and SARS crisis in that country.

The World Health Organization’s decision about traditional Chinese medicine could backfire

Traditional therapies have been included in a global diagnostic compendium. That comes with risks.

www.nature.com

that actually makes a lot of sense. lol watching them brown-nose China all the way up its rectal cavity during the press briefing was funny as shit.
I think I heard some talk a while back that the UN might consider making their own health organization.

 

[Niggaplease]

The virus itself is not that worrysome. SARS had 10% mortality, I'm going to bet this one is going to be about the same, and much like every other virus, it'll mostly just wipe through risk groups and give everyone else a week of feeling awful and that's about it. But here's what people don't get: THE BLACK PLAGUE WAS ALSO NOT THAT WORRYSOME. You may think this is a joke, but the first recorded case of someone healing from the black plague, was accomplished through rest and food, that's it.

You see, dear forum members, risk groups are a funny thing, here in the west we just see them as old people, babies, HIV infected people and people going through chemotherapy. But there's a lot more than that, things that increase mortality include people who are
-overworked
-underfed or have poor nutrition
-have lack of sleep or rest
-live in areas with high atmospheric contamination of certain types
-do stupid shit that makes things worse due to lack of education and/or religious beliefs
-don't do anything to counter the virus (such as resting and eating well) due to lack of education and/or stubbornness
-suffer from stress, anxiety or depression (past a certain point where it is severe)
-have other infections

Furthermore things that increase both mortality and the reach of the virus are
-high contamination yet again
-poor hygiene
-overcrowded environments
-uneducated populations
And all of these things also include the chance of having other infections, which as stated above, increases mortality yet again.

So why is this important... Well. This is what turned the black death from a frankly not that awful virus that wouldn't have caused too much impact into a horror of unprecedented proportions, europe was filthy, overcrowded, malnourished and lacked the knowledge to combat it, the west has learned a lot since, and implemented it. China? China literally fills all the boxes, and most of their population filles at least 2 of the boxes from the prior list, it basically is one hypermassive risk group. And THIS is why they're scared shitless of this virus. It won't do much in the west, but it can and if left alone will tear china a new asshole.

The way the USA is handling it it's probably going to get to the point where even our advanced society may sustain some damage. We're only quarantining evacuees for 3 days...

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

The way the USA is handling it it's probably going to get to the point where even our advanced society may sustain some damage. We're only quarantining evacuees for 3 days...

Eh, the period of quarantine only needs to pass the gestation period. Here in spain I believe we're quarantining for some weeks but either way it doesn't matter. If you can either tell through a test if they're infected or assure the gestation period is over there's no point in maintaining the quarantine any further, and many viri have really short gestation periods, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's enough, though I don't actually know for sure. Either way, "some" damage is what my point is about: risk groups, antivax kids and idiots who don't believe in medicine will get fucked, the rest will be fine, and that's in a worst case scenario. The west won't really feel any pain. China and if it gets there India will get absolutely assraped.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Didn't we just get the first confirmed case in India yesterday? Did it spread that quickly there because they live on top of each other in the cities?

I would assume he's just illiterate and his screen reader read him the title of this article https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ei-province/articleshow/73773342.cms?from=mdr

tl;dr India is asking 600 of it's citizens in Wuhan if they want to come back home.

 

[Niggaplease]

A question/thought/whatever: this announcement from the WHO... wasn't it kinda to be expected? Like I mean even independent of this thread and us folk all piling in the past week... Surely a PHEIC is exactly where this was going?

I guess I'm just wondering what this changes? Does it simply give governments more weight to enact border securities? Or like a wider wake up for the rest of the population a la "yo this is serious gang?"

Forgive me if this is dumb... I just can't see how this necessarily changes stuff from yesterday, from the perspective of us 'probably gonna be all right' Western folk. Apparently the anxious in my family think I have all the answers

Nothing changes because borders are racist yo. Whether it's preventing cartels from enact shit in mexico City in la, to China repeating another random ass plague. We probably won't be strict because our economy is tied to the world and if one country gets fucked so does the usa.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Wait... so you mean my high stress job, 3 hours sleep, black coffee and popcorn for breakfast, asthmatic in a high humidity environment ass is not gonna be cool beans?

Semper fucking fi.

You can still trust in herd immunity, but if the virus starts being near your area, I'd take some vacations. If your boss gets fucky tell him you feel too sick for work see if he's got the balls to pull the pin on THAT grenade.

 

[Unsweet]

I would assume he's just illiterate and his screen reader read him the title of this article https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ei-province/articleshow/73773342.cms?from=mdr

tl;dr India is asking 600 of it's citizens in Wuhan if they want to come back home.

That sounds like a wonderful idea on par with the Chinese having a lab to study viruses and infectious diseases. Absolutely wonderful.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Edit: It's over. WHO has declared a public health emergency of international concern. Members largely fellated China and warned against unfair treatment: "will hold countries to account for travel, trade, and quarantine efforts." More positive measures included organizing relief for smaller countries.

Excuse me but how exactly is the World Health Organization going to "hold countries to account for travel, trade, and quarantine efforts"? It's not like they have a WHO army. I know it's a regurgitated CCP talking point but they are in no position to threaten anyone, much less the USA. If this doesn't prove they're Chinese shills I don't know what will.

 

[Fork Cartel]

lol what

I'd be interested in what kind of source you have that says over 50% of people infected with 2019-nCoV die from it.

Sources? It's simple logic. People recovered vs. people who died, not cases currently in progress.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

You can still trust in herd immunity, but if the virus starts being near your area, I'd take some vacations. If your boss gets fucky tell him you feel too sick for work see if he's got the balls to pull the pin on THAT grenade.

I wouldn't be even a little surprised if this gets spread by retail/fast food managers refusing to let their employees stay home when sick.

 

[Niggaplease]

Eh, the period of quarantine only needs to pass the gestation period. Here in spain I believe we're quarantining for some weeks but either way it doesn't matter. If you can either tell through a test if they're infected or assure the gestation period is over there's no point in maintaining the quarantine any further, and many viri have really short gestation periods, so it wouldn't surprise me if it's enough, though I don't actually know for sure. Either way, "some" damage is what my point is about: risk groups, antivax kids and idiots who don't believe in medicine will get fucked, the rest will be fine, and that's in a worst case scenario. The west won't really feel any pain. China and if it gets there India will get absolutely assraped.

It takes up to two weeks to get the wu flu symptons. 2 days it can stay alive on surfaces. While we could feasibly handle oh you know a minor outbreak, the chance of damage is where demand out ranks supply. While if you catch the wu flu and it just has cold symptoms instead of pneumonia more than likely self care and rest and fluids you'll get better. But even regular pneumonia can kill if left unchecked. When I got bacterial pneumonia I required actual hospitilization and to have fluids pumped into me 24/7 as well antibiotics, I almost died before I was hospitalized. Besides some small condition I was very young and healthy as a horse. Viral pneumonia underneath normal circumstances has no cure other than supportive care until it has run its course. That can cause even further complications, and truthfully it's worse. As the only cure is keeping you alive long enough so the infection runs it's course. Well yes in most western countries it'll probably be a blip in the radar, your overlooking cost and labor law in the USA. Cost of medical services even with insurance is astronomical, and even if that wasn t an issue; you may run the risk of losing your job. So being said, most who'll suffer complications will wait until they're almost dead, with the USA being most a serviced based economy that makes acquiring new vectors easy. If in the event everyone gets pneumonia or at least a good percent it can be easy to overrun even the best amount of medical services, as doctor s are hesitant to let viral pneumonia run its course with out supportive care and monitoring. Because again while viral pneumonia has no cure, supportive care is a critical factor in buying time for the patient to recover. Thus resulting in more hospitalizations. but that's if every one who gets decides early on to go to a doctor; by then one or two things happen, people get sick and either get better or die on their own. Or people get sick and die waiting to be treated a la what's going on in wuhan.

 

[DefCon Dumb]

I expect 3rd world countries to take a pounding from this for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum. How big of a pounding is the question. Countries rife with corruption, entitled officials who think they're exceptional & rules don't apply to them, ignorance, lack of education, superstition, lousy public sanitation, very crowded living conditions with next month's meals rooting around your kitchen floor... yeah - bad outcomes.

I want to see what it does in the west & non-western nations with better living conditions & education levels. Right now, a smattering of cases in 18 other nations with only a few reporting isolated instances of human to human, (from here on in H2H for the sake of brevity), transmission. If & when cases in the west start ramping up, we see more H2H cases & we start seeing the strain on health care systems; then I'll start being way more concerned. Until I see more alarming news, I'm still at a 2 out 10 for worry.

Still, having a hefty stock of necessities in reserve is never a bad thing. Neither is watching where you go & more importantly - when. Hit stores right when they open, before the teeming masses touch & breathe on everything.

Something that's been touched on but only briefly by a few posters. Yes, we enjoy a far higher quality of life overall BUT... many residents of western nations would have died long ago elsewhere. A great many people only live & thrive thanks to modern medical care & drugs. They are innately more vulnerable to novel viruses simply because of pre-existing conditions & tend to have worse outcomes.