Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Tasty Tatty]

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Yeah well it took a lot of effort to even get him quarantined. The only reason my director even allowed it was because one the patients family members came back from China. The original placement they were going to place him in a ward with other possible immunocompromised patients. If that happened and he had the wu flu we'd probably get our asses sued in to bankruptcy. Quarantining is ten times more expensive than a regular hospital bed. Insurance pays shit on that.

If a hospital director was seriously thinking about exposing immunocompromised patients to someone with the regulat flu exhibiting pneumonia symptoms he,'s seriously unqualified for his job. Having to treat a buncha new pneumonia cases costs a lot more than quarantine!

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Going by just the video, it looks like she was running towards him, trying to hit him with something, and he wasn't having it.

The video depicts him throwing the first punch, or whatever you would call this stupid pose.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Řbp

The video depicts him throwing the first punch, or whatever you would call this stupid pose.
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So he's both a nigger, a weeb, and someone who doesn't understand how to protect himself from infection. You know, I fucking hate that the chinese are wasting medical supplies by wearing masks on areas with no risk of infection, but this is not how you handle that at all.

 

[CWCchange]

Don't worry! The Japanese Health Care system is well trained and prepared for this eventuality

Except boats full of foreigners trying to dock in Yokohama has historically been Japan's weakness.

Oh fuck, this is heartbreaking, but it seems at least some Chinese have hearts and give a shit for their pets.

‘50,000 pets' trapped in Wuhan could starve to death after owners evacuated

Animal rights groups said they have received reports local governments across China are ordering the culling of cats and dogs.

metro.co.uk

Coronavirus: Thousands of abandoned pets 'at risk of starving to death'

As residents rescue abandoned pets in coronavirus-hit areas, campaigners say local governments are calling for pets to be culled.

news.sky.com

A big hand for Mr. Mao and his colleagues anyway. It's diffcult to remember not all Chinese are putting live skinned dogs on barbecues and slavering over their flesh when you've seen those images from the markets. Some at least give a shit for animal welfare.

It's Koreans who eat dogs. The Chinese, of course, eat rats and eggs hard-boiled in peasant boys' urine.

Also, 5,000th post.

 

[Ow The Edge]

It's Koreans who eat dogs. The Chinese, of course, eat rats and eggs hard-boiled in peasant boys' urine.

Also, 5,000th post.

No, the Chinese also eat dogs, bats, centipedes, and apparently just about everything that's made of meat. Don't look up the videos of how they "prepare" the canines though, unless you like the feeling of boiling blood.

 

[Rei is shit]

Pretty interesting article about the crematorium workers. The most interesting parts;

"Because of the coronavirus outbreak, Wuhan’s Civil Affairs Bureau designated the Hankou Funeral Home to deal with the bodies of those who were diagnosed and died of the virus, according to state-run media. In addition, the Wuchang Funeral Home and Qingshan Funeral Home were designated to attend to those who died from severe pneumonia, or who were suspected coronavirus cases and died. " - So three operating in Wuhan itself.

“Since Jan. 28, 90 percent of our employees are working 24/7 … we couldn’t go back home,” a man identified as Mr. Yun told the Chinese-language Epoch Times in a phone call. He works at the Caidian Funeral Home, one of four facilities in a suburban area of Wuhan. " - four more in the burbs of wuhan, and it sounds like all of them have been operating non-stop since Jan 28

"We need to pick up bodies when they [hospitals, communities, or family members of the deceased] call us. Every day, we need at least 100 body bags,” he said. " - this is the suburban crematorium worker

So 3 in wuhan, 4 in the area around it. All are going 24/7 since the 28th, and at least on of them needs >100 body bags a day. They also talk about burning bodies that are suspected to be virus victims but aren't confirmed so they don't get counted.

Funeral Home Worker in Wuhan: We Are Working 24/7 to Cremate Bodies

Workers at crematoriums in Wuhan City, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, say their workload has increased dramatically ...

www.theepochtimes.com

Funeral Home Worker in Wuhan, Epicenter of Coronavirus: We Are Workin…

archived 4 Feb 2020 23:31:52 UTC

archive.md

Also disney is estimating that HK and shanghai parks will be closed for 2 months. Get fucked mouse.

Shit almost never follows a quadratic equation in real life, especially not that perfecly.

Production curves can. They are limited in how many can be tested per day by how many kits are made. It wouldn't surprise me if that is what the curve really shows.

 

[Niggaplease]

Ok but wouldn't it be a terrible idea to put someone with the regular flu/pneumonia in a room full of immuno-compromised people, anyway? shit's still contagious?

Oh it is. But then again it's not like I can do shit other than autism. My boss is an idiot he only got the job because he's buddy buddy with the higher ups. We had a wild fire of mrsa cases last year because he pulled the same level of stupidity by throwing a mrsa patient in a very similar ward. Literally we don't lack resources but man power I work 12 hour shifts just trying to manage an ever dwindling workforce because of my bosses lunacy we have a high turnover rate. If the stupid arrangement came to pass I'd imagine we'd be very short of man power have a high death toll and get even more cases of wu flu. At least a lot more because nurses are rushing room to room getting their rounds done and getting sloppy bc we have so much to attend to in such a small amount of time before the next shift.
I've literally had to write them up for overtime work. Even for 2 minutes over. That's how stupid my boss is. Basically atleast we quarantine we can cull the chances of cross contamination to a minimun.

 

[Palpatine]

BLAST is available for free to anyone. It's actually pretty easy to use. Here's a BLAST analysis from last week confirming someone's finding of possible recombinant RNA from another coronavirus (this can happen naturally & phylogenetic analysis is needed to understand origin of the virus) and correcting the false claim that it's an insert of "old human SARS" (it isn't). If anyone is curious to learn how to use some bioinformatics tools, that exercise and the one in this post should be easy to replicate. You can BLAST directly from the NCBI page of the sequence data. Just realize that this tool is usually just to get an initial understanding of the sequence. It's a simplistic & kind of biased view, but it's good for forming predictions if you don't have much familiarity w the sequence yet.

Let's look at exactly where they claim to have found a match. This pic was shown on the article:
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Okay, let's recreate this. if you wanna try it out yourself, WuFlu is here, pShuttle-NS is here. You can also get to the BLAST tool from here.
Run the sequences against each other and query the subranges that were pointed out above. (EDIT: I realized after doing this that even though I got the ranges from this pic they probably weren't trying to specifically indicate that window as being more important. you could do this without specifying subranges and the result is p much the same. pairing estimates are better quality, but the identity score is still dogshit. this essentially allows you to be more confident in your judgement of how dogshit it is lol)
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Uh... nope.
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Fine, let's try being really lenient.
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Got it now... wait, LOL a 65.7% match? This is what we're claiming is the evidence of genetic engineering?
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Is that really the best match we can get for this little sequence? Try doing a simple search on that same genomic window of the WuFlu sequence using the same criteria, but not forcing BLAST to align it onto pShuttle-SN. Just asking it to pull out the most statistically significant matches.
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Well would you look at that. The sequence is not only found in wild type coronavirus, but is an even more significant match to the wild type.
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It's important to realize that all of these (including pShuttle-SN from earlier) have relatively weak E-values. The E-value is like a quality test, and tells how confident you can be in the result. Sort of like p-values, you want very low numbers. High numbers mean that the result isn't really statistically significant and matches could by occurring by chance. Anything higher than 1*10^-50 would not be significant enough for considering direct matches. These E-values could be decent enough to look into homology, and the identity % appears more indicative of homology anyway. Almost like coronaviruses descend from each other or something

This sequence even has a better alignment score to actual-fucking-SARS so it's funny to me that he felt the need mention some random ass sequence to make his conspiracy theory. I guess he was trying to make it more mysterious by claiming that it comes from "the 1980’s in China to create a more immunogenic coronavirus"... pay no attention to the fact that this shit was created in 2005 for a study into developing a vaccine for SARS lmao. Did SARS-like viruses even exist in the 80s?
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TL;DR: so yeah, in short, this is bullshit. it's not even accidental bullshit, this guy manufactured a hoax. thanks for the problem, it was fun.

Funny. When I re-did the thing the E scores were much better.
Between AY862402.1 and MN997409.1 subrange 21697:23074, using blastn, that same match has E=2E-111 with 68% identity

But sure, that guy intentionally mixed up AY862402.1 which is a SARS spike protein plasmid (which of course has good match with coronaviruses) and AF334399 which is the empty backbone he linked to in the blogpost.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Except boats full of foreigners trying to dock in Yokohama has historically been Japan's weakness.

Ain't that the truth?

It's Koreans who eat dogs. The Chinese, of course, eat rats and eggs hard-boiled in peasant boys' urine.

Also, 5,000th post.

It's Koreans and Chinese. Also dogs and cats may be eaten in parts of Vietnam, Laos, and a few other bits of Asia. Apparently Taiwanese did eat them, but they banned the practice a few years ago, because their president was a great animal lver who had his own dogs and cats and wasn't standing for that shit.

The countries where people still eat cats and dogs for dinner

Taiwan has banned the selling and eating of cats and dogs after a series of cruelty cases that caused widespread outrage.

www.bbc.co.uk

Taiwan has banned the selling and eating of cats and dogs after a series of cruelty cases that caused widespread outrage.

The new Animal Protection Act will see anyone selling, eating or buying the animals for consumption facing fines of up to £6,500.

Those found guilty of animal cruelty could also receive a huge fine of £52,000 and two years in prison.

Taiwan is the first Asian country to crack down on the practice.

The new law tackles long-standing cultural beliefs about the benefits of eating dogs - for example, eating black dogs in winter is supposed to help you stay warm.

It was pushed through by President Tsai Ing-wen, who adopted three retired guide dogs last year and also has two cats, named Cookie and A-Tsai.

So what about the rest of the continent?
The practice of eating cats and dogs has become less common as pet ownership rises, and new generations have different attitudes to eating domestic animals.

But an estimated 30 million dogs across Asia, including stolen family pets, are still killed for human consumption every year, according to the Humane Society International.

While not widespread, the charity says the practice is most common in China, South Korea, The Philippines, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and the region of Nagaland in India.

Although accurate figures are difficult to obtain, China is believed to be responsible for the majority of global cases of cat and dog slaughter.

Each year, around four million cats and 10 million dogs are believed to be slaughtered in the country. The Humane Society says the majority are stolen pets and strays that are captured and kept in cages.

The tradition of eating dogs dates back thousands of years, even though they are often kept as pets.

Each year in June, the city of Yulin in southern China hosts a dog meat festival, where live dogs and cats are sold specifically for eating and an estimated 10,000 are slaughtered for their meat.

But last year saw big protests against the festival from within China as well as in the West.

In South Korea, dog meat dishes are so common that they have their own name - Gaegogi.

The country has an estimated 17,000 dog farms, according to the Humane Society, where animals are routinely prepared for human consumption.

However, similar to other countries, pressure from welfare groups is having an impact.

In February, the biggest dog meat market in Seongnam was closed down as part of a wider crackdown ahead of the country's hosting of the Winter Olympics next year.

Around five million dogs are believed to be slaughtered for eating in the country each year.

And the demand has led to an illegal trade from neighbouring countries, including Thailand, Cambodia and Laos.

The Asia Canine Protection Alliance (Acpa), which lobbies governments to try to end the dog meat trade, says there is some evidence that the dog meat trade is dangerous to humans, leading to an increase in diseases like rabies.

Acpa's focus is to end the illegal trade of dogs from Thailand and Laos into Vietnam, where an estimated five million dogs are slaughtered every year for human consumption, by tackling both the supply of dogs from Thailand and Laos, and the demand for dogs for consumption in Vietnam.

A few decades ago, after China first opened up to foreign tourists a bit, a mate who went there and wandered as far in as Chengdu (followed by his own not-so-secret policeman every step of the way, and in this matter we see little has changed) showed me some photos he took of the various food markets in the interior. One was of, as far as the eye could make out, piled-up, stacked up and hung-up dog corpses, some wth skin, some without, on stalls out in the open. There was everything from chihuahua-sized corpses piled in baskets to skinned Alsatian-sized corpses hung from the stall rafters. Your basic dog meat supermarket. It was one of the more grotesque sights I'd ever seen at that point in my life.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Also disney is estimating that HK and shanghai parks will be closed for 2 months. Get fucked mouse.

I don’t work for Disney but my coworkers in China are all working from home and their office is closed. A few other people I know from other organizations have had the same thing happen.

Here's a tldr my hospital has a suspected case of wu flu but we're not 100 percent sure. Because 1. It's flu season, 2. I live in an area where for some reason bacterial pneumonia cases are more frequent. 3. We have no means of testing other than taking a sample and sending it outside for testing.

We're not calling it wu flu yet but guy is totally quarantined as if he has it and we're trying to treat him first for a possible bacterial pneumonia and swabbing him for flu virus first while waiting for tests results to come back.

Hopefully it’s just the flu, but if you get sick, you should keep us updated.

 

[Ow The Edge]

Here's another chart for you all with nothing but CCP numbers:

 

[Computer Boy]

A big hand for Mr. Mao and his colleagues anyway. It's diffcult to remember not all Chinese are putting live skinned dogs on barbecues and slavering over their flesh when you've seen those images from the markets. Some at least give a shit for animal welfare.

I thought you hated chinese people. Why the sudden shift in opinion?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

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Of course you care more about tourism than your own people

Banning mainland travellers a risky ‘overreaction’ to virus, UN envoy says

‘Isolation is not beneficial to international collaboration and may interfere with prevention and control efforts,’ Chen Xu says, echoing World Health Organisation Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

www.scmp.com

China's going to be 2020's number one destination for disaster tourism.

 

[Niggaplease]

I don’t work for Disney but my coworkers in China are all working from home and their office is closed. A few other people I know from other organizations have had the same thing happen.



Hopefully it’s just the flu, but if you get sick, you should keep us updated.

I'm more likely to die from high blood pressure or become mentally retarded for dealing with yet again a high level of stupid in the bureaucratic system set up in my job than from wu flu at this point.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Funny. When I re-did the thing the E scores were much better.
Between AY862402.1 and MN997409.1 subrange 21697:23074, using blastn, that same match has E=2E-111 with 68% identity

But sure, that guy intentionally mixed up AY862402.1 which is a SARS spike protein plasmid (which of course has good match with coronaviruses) and AF334399 which is the empty backbone he linked to in the blogpost.

Could we get that in English, please?

 

[LetThemEatCake]

I thought you hated chinese people. Why the sudden shift in opinion?

I don't hate all Chinese people, I just despise the hopelessly ignorant fucks, the cruel fucks, and there are certain aspects of modern Chinese culture I find thoroughly repulsive, including the apparent need of some of them to torture animals to death in 100% inexcusable ways to make a tastier meal.

Also, like a real human, I can take in new information and adjust my views more favourably in the light of new evidence. Shocking, I know.

 

[Ahriman]

The vice president of the Italian Senate recommended using the fascist salute to avoid getting a coronavirus | MbS News

www.mbs.news

The absolute mad man.

 

[dopy]

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The vice president of the Italian Senate recommended using the fascist salute to avoid getting a coronavirus | MbS News

www.mbs.news

The absolute mad man.

i mean technically only italians should be using the roman salute anyway. it's cultural appropriation and also cultural shaming that the germans took it and made it unusable today. hopefully this well-meaning man can put this cultural symbol back on the pedestal where it belongs. hail caesar.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I thought you hated chinese people. Why the sudden shift in opinion?

We have had lots of Chinese folks in the US ever since they came over to help build the transcontinental railroad in the nineteenth century. They're pretty much American at this point but the influx of mainland Chinese that was ramped up in the nineties is on a whole other level and while some of them bring their exceptional taste for weird food and hygiene the real issue is their loyalty to the CCP.