Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[KingofNothing]

Speaking of botched campaigns, Cridious isn't quitting yet. Can he redeem himself? I doubt it, but if he manages to force this shit out, I'll be impressed.

 

[Wise Man]

I wonder who she had to sleep with to unfuck all the drama her book caused.

Simps don't need any extra motivation to simp.

 

[AnOminous]

It's begun to dawn on them that the gravy train that was the big two, which supported their SJW grift, has derailed so crowdfunding might be the only way for them to earn a crust in comics going forward.

They shouldn't be shocked. The cunts are now amazed that the boat they've been drilling holes in for years is now sinking? Who has been trying to tell them this is coming over and over for years while they scream about imaginary Nazis?

The standard smug SJW's answer to any complaints about them gate-keeping and attempting to control every space they infest has been, 'It's a private company, we don't have to listen to/platform you and if you don't like our rules then go build your own ___________'

They didn't mean that, though. They meant, literally, just go fucking die. It was a huge shock to them that the "Nazis" went and actually did it. And now they have their own platforms while these fugly landwhales like Gail flounder in the icy sea.

This is apocalyptic stuff. Optimistically speaking, 80% of the industry will remain after this, with comics switching to a Fully Returnable model. Direct-to-Consumer will soon become a necessity for all smaller publishers.

Woke IMAGE books, RIP. Fully Returnable destroys their entire model. All of those catfood eaters are now finished.

This does for comics what Steam refunds did for indie wokeshit walking simulators.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Am i one the only one who thinks this "COMICS ARE DEAD" click bait videos are out of hand? Marvel and DC will still be around because the same people who complain about "muh mainstream" will still watch the movies and buy the games or buy the comics for the hate reviews. It's ying and yang, without the sjw comics most of cg channels wouldn't make it to 10k subs. Like for past 3 years there's a click bait antisjw channel saying "Marvel and dc dead?!" But in reality they'll be here for another 100 years. With the amount of money they make from tv shows, movies, toys, and video games they'll probably survive this. But I do expect more farming ips to idw or doing a huge overhaul. But all of these channels saying comics are dead but at the end of the day they'll still buy the products like the comsoomers they are.

 

[boofit]

How many years has Renfamous been trying to burn down society and she is finally getting her wish?

Whatever will she rebel against after the comic industry is dead?

absolutely nothing

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Am i one the only one who thinks this "COMICS ARE DEAD" click bait videos are out of hand?

I agree, but I think the usual suspects make 'em because people watch 'em, and no other real reason. Even a channel I've come to respect like ClownfishTV can't resist the siren call of YouTube shekels for clickbait. A few months ago it was endless sperging about Ms. Flat Ass as Captain Marvel.

Spoiler: Powerlevel/Sperging

And yeah, I find myself watching them. Even as I know 95% of what is said before the video starts. Gotta have something in the background as I'm dragging my sorry ass through Terraria. Will I beat the Moon Lord this time? Meh, probably not.

Then again, I will say I've completely lost interest in MechRandom42 and YellowFlash, I think I'm still subscribed to both, but I doubt I've watched any content from either in 2020. (I turn off all notifications because they annoy me. Is it that hard to pull up your subscriber feed, people?)

And lately YBZ is starting to bore me. I guess I can only hear about breakfast burritos followed by a five minute shill before five minutes of actual content for so long.

Dunno, maybe I'm the ol' canary in a coal mine for videos of this sort?

Marvel and DC will still be around because the same people who complain about "muh mainstream" will still watch the movies and buy the games or buy the comics for the hate reviews. It's ying and yang, without the sjw comics most of cg channels wouldn't make it to 10k subs. Like for past 3 years there's a click bait antisjw channel saying "Marvel and dc dead?!" But in reality they'll be here for another 100 years. With the amount of money they make from tv shows, movies, toys, and video games they'll probably survive this.

I don't think anyone is disputing any of this, except maybe that there will be comics around? The furthest I've seen anyone go is to point out that comic books as an industry is dying. Certainly the current management at AT&T is even less invested historically in media properties than Time-Warner was, and with DC as the Pepsi to Marvel's Coca-Cola they're not even holding the best cards in the game.

Hell, CBS/Viacom is looking to dump Simon & Schuster. And this is not only a profitable company, it is a prestigious one as well. Way more so than a DC Comics. Gotta fund the next installment in Star Trek: Picard or whatever, I guess. But I kind of take this as some sort of bias against dead tree media in the upper echelons of the managerial elite. (Read yer James Burnham.)

But I do expect more farming ips to idw or doing a huge overhaul. But all of these channels saying comics are dead but at the end of the day they'll still buy the products like the comsoomers they are.

Except I don't think the smaller companies like Boom!, IDW, Image, etc., survive this.

Or at any rate don't do so without a sugar daddy willing to underwrite losses forever for years. Which could happen, I guess, but I wouldn't bet on it. Jeff Bezos buying the Washington Post is one thing. XYZ tech gooruu buying IDW and telling his buddies about owning the company that prints GI Joe comics would hardly bring the same cachet in the circles these people aspire to travel in.

Would shipping the artwork overseas to places like the Philippines be possible? Hell, the writing? Would the audience for Western capeshit go along with it? Less expense and no embarrassing Twitter sperg outs at any rate.

 

[verissimus]

Am i one the only one who thinks this "COMICS ARE DEAD" click bait videos are out of hand? Marvel and DC will still be around because the same people who complain about "muh mainstream" will still watch the movies and buy the games or buy the comics for the hate reviews. It's ying and yang, without the sjw comics most of cg channels wouldn't make it to 10k subs. Like for past 3 years there's a click bait antisjw channel saying "Marvel and dc dead?!" But in reality they'll be here for another 100 years. With the amount of money they make from tv shows, movies, toys, and video games they'll probably survive this. But I do expect more farming ips to idw or doing a huge overhaul. But all of these channels saying comics are dead but at the end of the day they'll still buy the products like the comsoomers they are.

This certainly wasn't quite what I wanted to say a few days ago, but it definitely encapsulates some of the points and sentiments I wanted to make. It it simply way too early for CG/anti-SJW people to celebrate the incoming downturn of mainstream comics in the United States. If anything, to be quite frank, I think the future looks bleaker for CG assuming that the comic book industry essentially starts making "graphic novels" instead of single issue comics something that CG can't compete with considering pretty much all of them can't even put out a single issue comic within a year.

 

[Detrogen]

This certainly wasn't quite what I wanted to say a few days ago, but it definitely encapsulates some of the points and sentiments I wanted to make. It it simply way too early for CG/anti-SJW people to celebrate the incoming downturn of mainstream comics in the United States. If anything, to be quite frank, I think the future looks bleaker for CG assuming that the comic book industry essentially starts making "graphic novels" instead of single issue comics something that CG can't compete with considering pretty much all of them can't even put out a single issue comic within a year.

Price-wise, DC would certainly have them beat since most of their TPBs retail at about 16.99 (Marvel’s tend to be more expensive for reasons I cannot fathom) as opposed to CG’s 25 dollar minimum.

 

[Adamska]

It's still quite possible that when faced with weeks of loss and no ability to put money on a minor branch like what DC and Marvel are to WB and Disney, they might just say fuck it and dissolve them since their only major worth is IP anyways.

 

[AnOminous]

Price-wise, DC would certainly have them beat since most of their TPBs retail at about 16.99 (Marvel’s tend to be more expensive for reasons I cannot fathom) as opposed to CG’s 25 dollar minimum.

People don't want to buy wokeshit. They're not going to buy it in any format.

 

[Nef Anyo]

Except I don't think the smaller companies like Boom!, IDW, Image, etc., survive this.

Or at any rate don't do so without a sugar daddy willing to underwrite losses forever for years. Which could happen, I guess, but I wouldn't bet on it. Jeff Bezos buying the Washington Post is one thing. XYZ tech gooruu buying IDW and telling his buddies about owning the company that prints GI Joe comics would hardly bring the same cachet in the circles these people aspire to travel in.

Yeah, I have to wonder if any of the smaller publishers will survive this, too.

IDW is practically DOA and unless Hasbro swoops in and becomes their sugar daddy (much in the same way Disney is to Marvel), I'd expect them to be toast come 2021, or at least, drop publishing efforts and focus solely on television/film production, as Locke and Key got renewed for a second season on Netflix. They already publish a lot of Hasbro's major original properties, so them becoming a subsidary of Hasbro is probably their best shot for survival... however, IDW's antics with alienating customers to the point of Hasbro themselves stepping in to slap IDW's shit in is the spanner in the works.

Fantagraphics may survive on the sole basis that they can be sold in a book store like Barnes and Noble or local mom 'n pop shops. They tend to be the more artsy-fartsy books, so unless they suddenly lose one of their big tentpoles (like Love and Rockets), they'll be fine.

Boom is another wild card: they have some cult favorite licensed properties (Jim Henson stuff, Power Rangers, etc) and some decently popular original IPs; both of which get good traction in trades via the book stores, but I foresee some financial struggles for them in the year ahead.

Dark Horse is practically a dead man walking now: with Disney buying 20th Century Fox, they basically lost their major licensed IPs that they sometimes do comics for (including losing Buffy to Boom, iirc), especially since Star Wars was THE thing keeping them solvent for decades up until Disney bought Lucasfilm. The only original Dark Horse character that's well known by normies is Hellboy, but they only care about the Guillermo Del Toro movies and the recent celluloid abortion of a Hellboy movie did the series no favors. Their other creator-owned IPs.... yeah. I think it's been said elsewhere, but they only things they really have going for them right now are publishing art books and manga translations.

Image has enough Walking Dead bux (and Saga bux) to keep them afloat for a while, and they are valuable as an IP farm for Hollywood crap that doesn't have anything to do with capeshit. They'll be fine.

 

[Detrogen]

People don't want to buy wokeshit. They're not going to buy it in any format.

Yes, but not every book out there falls under “wokeshit”. I could buy both hardcover editions of Grant Morrison’s current, excellent run on Green Lantern off of Amazon for less than EVS is currently charging for two reprints and an ashcan. No single book by Donnie Cates costs more than 30$ either. The paperbacks for Spider-Man Life Story and Batman White Knight, both fairly recent and excellent books, are also less than 20$ online. If you’re buying the right product, Marvel and DC are still putting out better value than any single CG, or CG adjacent, book with perhaps the sole exception of Doug’s monster gold-trimmed hardcovers.

 

[Nekoi.Inukuma.00]

Marvel and DC had a few big name Japanese artists do handful of books for them during the 00ies. Marvel also had a handful of western weeb artists doing artwork off and on from the mid 90ies iirc up until Marvel fired everybody for Tumblr artists.

I remember when Benn Dunn from Antarctic Press did Marvel Mangaverse back in the early 2000's. Marvel drawn in the style of Ninja High School. This was around the time he started farming out his own comic to contributors, and AP start trimming the fat (which in turn led to all the furries making Radio Comix).

For me, I'm not sure if this marked the point where Marvel or AP jumped the shark, IMO.

IIRC several AP employees do coloring/lettering work for Marvel and Waid basically threatened to blackball ALL AP employees, past or present, from getting these freelance gigs or ever being employed in any fashion, by Marvel if they didn't drop Richard.

Which is sad, consider AP is one of the few indies still doing somewhat well.

I was wondering how much leverage was be held over the Dunns' heads. Mangaverse was 2002, and Ben went back to doing his own comics while his brother wrote super hero medical drama, and made sure the company didn't collapse.

I wonder if Waid has/had any Netflix connections, in light of this. Though he no longer owns the property, he's still going to be on as a creative consultant according to the article... but not IMDB, yet (though he is still listed as the original creator).

With the coronavirus thing going on, it's just hilarious to watch the so-called "comic book pros" being in total denial that their industry is now crashing and burning before their own eyes and they still refuse to accept that it's their own fault for why the industry is going to implode soon.

As much as the pro-CG crowd can be spergy at times, they are now going to end up being proven right very soon on why 'woke' doesn't really sell and the coronavirus will be the final nail in the coffin for the traditional comic book industry.

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The comic book industry is going to crash for the same reasons why the video game industry crashed in 1983 because companies such as Atari back then put out more bad and mediocre video games and hardware that made people stop playing video games for a while that is until Nintendo appeared and then saved the video game industry from the brink of extinction.

Wokeness isn't what killed the industry.

Like I said before video games are filled to the brim with wokeshit and are still bigger then they've ever been.

The comic industry's problems go back decades and they're also suffering from the ongoing death of the periodical magazine/newspaper in general.

Wokeness alone won't kill an industry, but wokeness + shovel-ready garbage will. It happened in the 80's with a proliferation of crappy indie comics, it happened again in the 90's with bagged variant covers and other bullshit, and it's happening now with poorly written "woke" garbage chasing an audience that doesn't have money, and won't spend if they did.

The fundamentals of print comics have been going in the shitter for a long time. Print is dying, creator owned comics are moving online, and who the fuck wants to toil writing for someone else's property and own nothing for a sub-par paycheck... unless it's to build your personal brand.

That's what the original Image founders discovered, they became bigger than the mainstream books they worked on and said "fuck it, we can do better on our own." The rebelled against "the man" and made their own publisher. Now they're part of "the man" and ComicsGate is the new rebels striking out on their own. This isn't even considering those who decided to quietly do their own thing outside "the industry" way before CG and jumped on the bandwagon to dump on "the industry".

To paraphrase Fight Club, "It was right in every ones face, [Ethan and Zak] just made it visible. It was on the tip of everyone’s tongue, [Ethan and Zak] just gave it a name."

Specialty shops like Comic book stores are a dying breed thanks to Amazon.

Weird thing though is book stores seem to be thriving since the majority of comic sales come from them.

Am i one the only one who thinks this "COMICS ARE DEAD" click bait videos are out of hand?

And this is the other knock-on effect: Comics aren't dead, but the direct market and specialty shops are pretty close to dead, and with that, your floppy newsprint comics, too.

The market has been evolving since the rise of the internet.

On that point:

ComicsGate spent two years prepping for this. We're nimble and better at Direct to Consumer than any small press or indie company. 2020 will be a fascinating show for anyone who is interested in this shit.

The "webcomic to graphic novel" paradigm is nothing new. I don't think CG's "original comic to graphic novel" model was necessarily all that new either. They're just better at marketing to a niche who's willing to spend money. They understand their fan-base, and they more responsive to them. They built a better mousetrap then the one the House of Mouse bought.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So apparently with DC’s new “Gothem High”, which has been described as “Batman meets Riverdale”, Bruce is now Chinese-American, his mom is the REAL reason the Wayne Foundation has so much money, and Alfred is gay.

 

[TexOffender]

Sooo how does this work?

David Steinberger on Twitter: "Comics creators and other freelancers …

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The woke patrol going to get in line?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So apparently with DC’s new “Gothem High”, which has been described as “Batman meets Riverdale”, Bruce is now Chinese-American, his mom is the REAL reason the Wayne Foundation has so much money, and Alfred is gay.

It occurs to me proof would be appreciated.

 

[verissimus]

Somebody make it stop already....

 

[Uranus Pink]

I remember when Benn Dunn from Antarctic Press did Marvel Mangaverse back in the early 2000's. Marvel drawn in the style of Ninja High School. This was around the time he started farming out his own comic to contributors, and AP start trimming the fat (which in turn led to all the furries making Radio Comix).

Ben Dunn while cutting the fat also amputated limbs by cutting almost all of AP's butter and bread altogether by getting rid of mangas, mangaish comics and adult comics

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Oh, and here’s the Joker.

 

[verissimus]

Oh, and here’s the Joker.
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