Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

[Kikimc67]

"DID is totally real, just ask anyone in the DID community and they will confirm that they're not making it up for attention!"

"You need to suffer from terrible repeated early childhood trauma in order to develop DID but it's super common!"

Yea okay.

Child abuse is still very common in the 21sr century and of course it’s common. I’m not 100% saying that Nin and Nan have DID because where’s the information like the doctor who said they have it. Why don’t they talk about it with their doctor like one of the other system did. Also the other system shows evidence of having the disorder.

 

[Bananasaurus]

DID is a disorder that both Nin and Nan have.

I’m not 100% saying that Nin and Nan have DID

Maybe make up your mind before you whiteknight them.

 

[incorrigible shit goblin]

Secondly what I say doesn’t deserve LGBT slurs to my account either because I understand

are you asking for racial slurs? because it sounds like you're asking for racial slurs instead.

I get them from medical information and I can’t change your opinions but you’re being disrespectful humans. Secondly DID is very complicated and yes Nins doctor gave her symptoms of her disorder which other did specialists say not to do as it’s a disorder which is not studied enough

'it's okay that aquafina tainted her case of did because the disorder is not studied well enough!'. shouldn't that bring up even MORE alarm bells? that's NOT okay. if you want this to be taken seriously maybe... don't do that? so people can't claim you ust convinced your patient that they have this?

for a prime example of this, read up about patty burgus. her counselor had her 'roleplay' out her emotions until she convinced her that her case of postpartum depression was actually multiple personality disorder caused by a satanic cult she didn't remember.

also i think anyone who invades trauma spaces, farms for their trauma to make up her own stories, and puts on a fake accent all for money is a 'disrespectful human being'. but since you've already made up your mind about me: suck my phantom penis you tranny faggot.

Child abuse is still very common in the 21sr century and of course it’s common.

actually, in the past century alone we have seen extensive change around what is and isn't acceptable in the realm of the treatment of children. previously, anything that did not severely maim or kill a child was acceptable punishment. now that children are spending more time outside of the home in school and with other adults (who have protocol training in both what they can do around children AND they can't even be alone with children in many cases), it's getting harder to hide signs of abuse. more and more people are being educated on what is abusive and parents are changing their ways.

it still happens, but trust me, it has been on a sharp decline.

 

[comrade666]

Any updates on the timelines from the past 100 pages?

No, nothing relevant aside from Nan leaving the internet. Both cows have been silent on social media and the majority of the posts in this thread since have covered old ground. I'll post extended timelines when we have enough new activity to make the task worthwhile.

just reviewed the video "Meet our childhood best friend"( saved in the OP. )

Tinfoil for speculation but I felt like her eyes were extremely telling in that video.

When the childhood friend, Anna, is talking about how she interacted with Nadia as a kid (time stamp 1:06) I feel like you can visually see Chloe's ego inflating.

I believe this is because Chloe's longtime friend has fully adopted her DID story enough to fill in the blanks for her and that makes her proud of her ability to manipulate and plant stories.

Again tinfoil but I feel like this just exudes off of her and I'd love to see if anyone else sees it.

At timestamp (1:24) and throughout the whole video, she smirks but I think she's surprised she got someone support her lie, especially someone who's known her much of her life.

Someone like a childhood friend really adds credibility to her claims and you can almost see this awareness on her face the whole video.

To me her eyes and eyebrows look like a mother trying to coach thier daughter through a performance the entire video. And that's sus. I need to know if that's just me.

At pretty much any point in the video when Anna starts talking you can see Chloes eyes locked on her and bulging whenever Anna says something about Chloes "DID".

Curious if other people find this as damning or if I'm nitpicking.

I'd agree with this assessment for the most part. Another thing I noticed when watching that video initially was the way Chloe almost panicked when Anna said she'd first mentioned her DID in sixth form. Chloe tried to guide her answer by starting to say 'university' but then played it off with something like oh was it that early... don't remember the exact quote but it was something along those lines and then she jumped back on the 'suggested' diagnosis train.

 

[Kikimc67]

Yes I know Child abuse has been on a sharp decline and for that yes DID might be slowly decreasing as well. I just don’t understand how there’s still child abuse but some cases there’s no DID but other mental issues so what makes them get DID instead of depression or something else. That is the one thing I just gotta know

 

[comrade666]

I just made an account to point out that not only is it suspicious af that Chloe is taking down all of the social media accounts that are getting posted here, but that one thing that keeps on bothering me and I haven't seen anyone else point out is that if she had DID, especially the very overt form she tries to portray, she would not be able to access at least half of the account because of dissociative amnesia.

For the sake of comparison, I'll keep it vague because frankly no one here needs to know about my personal stuff, but I deal with dissociative amnesia and thanks to email notifications I know that in the past 6 months I've had at least around 5 different reddit accounts of which I somewhat remember 2. It's honestly fucking impossible, if you have such an extreme form of DID, to know the passwords let alone email accounts each social media profile is linked to.

Kind of related to this: if she had DID we would have been able to find separate accounts for a considerable number of alters. I mean, she claims her alters are completely separate people but expects them all to use one mail and share social media accounts, let alone post consistently on the same channel? That's bloody ridiculous. She has claimed to experience episodes of dissociative fugue but no alter of hers has ever created a separate social media account, using their own identity, even as a young, social teen in college?

And while we're on the topic of dissociative amnesia, even if she had blocked off all the extreme childhood abuse that allegedly had to take place for her to have a DID diagnosis, she would have some idea, even if somewhat vague, of said abuse. When you get triggered you are, at least emotionally, going through the traumatic experience again. You can have amnesia walls, sure, but if your 'system' is so communicative and public with their experiences, someone would have slipped up at some point. Hell, to avoid being triggered, you need to know what your triggers are, and that gives some idea, no matter how small, of the trauma you've experienced.

And just like others before me have pointed out, just because you don't remember your childhood trauma, that doesn't make you remember your childhood as a happy one. A kid that dissociates on the regular basis needed to develop DID will appear stand-offish, withdrawn and absent-minded. They are the type of kid that doesn't care about getting attention from either parents, peers or teachers. In fact, people with a freeze response to trauma are the opposite of attention-seeking. Because they have internalized that people are dangerous, and therefore any kind of attention is a threat. When there's a trigger, you'll notice it because of how uncharacteristic it is for them to openly show something is troubling them (if they happen to have a different response, such as fight or flight) or because they will just shut down entirely. Traumatized kids reenact their trauma, either as a desensitization technique, a way to express their distress, or because they've grown up in an environment where the abuse has been normalized to such a radical degree. If you interact with that child daily, you'll notice that something is off. Dissociation is linked to a freeze response to trauma, and dissociative identity disorder requires that kid to repeatedly have a freeze response in separate traumatic instances for long enough that the part taking that abuse becomes independent and can't integrate in order to help the child survive. Freeze goes from being a response to trauma to becoming the norm for kids with fucked up childhoods who are more prone to displaying this kind of response, whether they have DID, other kinds of dissociative disorders or CPTSD.

No one around Chloe noticed any kind of behavior associated with a freeze response. She is described as quite the opposite, in fact, by her friends and family in numerous occasions. Yes, everyone experiences dissociation somewhat differently and 'every system is different'. But when what someone is saying doesn't add up, at all, I'm gonna be skeptical and question their motives, especially if they are making money 'educating' people and switching on camera and acting as the face of those who suffer with DID on YT.

I hope this didn't come off as too bitter, I just have been watching from the sidelines for a couple of years and don't get how no one's called her out on this. Survivors of childhood trauma deserve to be respected, but when they need to be held accountable, hold them fucking accountable and question them. But with Youtube's 'anti-bullying' policies, I can understand why the bigger influencers are sitting this one out. It's just very unfair that Chloe is able to get away with the inconsistencies and shady shit she's pulled, but that's how YouTube works after all. Never did I think I would be thankful for something Trisha Paytas did, yet here I am.

Welcome to the farms, lurk more. You could quite easily have gotten your point across without sharing your life story.

I'm a faggot

Don't you have a wall to go head bang against?

 

[pd2jzutg2]

It's honestly fucking impossible, if you have such an extreme form of DID, to know the passwords let alone email accounts each social media profile is linked to

Bro get a password storage app. That’s hardly a reason to doubt Chloe, there are many more valid reasons. Also as we can see here, Chloe hasn’t ever really had that many social media accounts. Also browsers have auto-filled passwords and kept you logged in for a looooong time now.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

how do munchie threads always end up attracting sub-cows offering themselves up as tribute?

 

[THOTto]

how do munchie threads always end up attracting sub-cows offering themselves up as tribute?

Validating one munchie’s claims validates their own in their mind. Or they hope the original cow will stand up for them should they be called out.

That being said stay on topic guys. Just a reminder people will come in and white knight and there’s going to be disagreements. The site isn’t for or against cows, we’re here to laugh, document and comment.

 

[Carlos the Scientist]

I'd agree with this assessment for the most part. Another thing I noticed when watching that video initially was the way Chloe almost panicked when Anna said she'd first mentioned her DID in sixth form. Chloe tried to guide her answer by starting to say 'university' but then played it off with something like oh was it that early... don't remember the exact quote but it was something along those lines and then she jumped back on the 'suggested' diagnosis train.

Starts at 3:28 in the video.
Anna reads out the question, 'What was your initial reaction when Chloe opened up about her DID with you?'
and she says 'I remember you mentioning it, I suppose, when you were in sixth form,' and Chloe cuts in with 'I came to visit you at uni... Was it that long?' all wide-eyes and confusion. There's a jump-cut here, which is interesting - wonder if it was something important that Chloe cut out? - and then Anna says 'Yeah, but we didn't really know what there was, it was something that had kind of been... I think someone had suggested it,' and Chloe says 'Yeah, a therapist had suggested it to me... and I told you about it, but I was still in denial about it.'

Watch this video with the sound off and look at Chloe's face during it. It really says a lot.

 

[EntitleDID]

Welcome to the farms, lurk more. You could quite easily have gotten your point across without sharing your life story.

Thank you! Been lurking for a while, so I expected that kind of response, but I didn't think adding such an ordinary detail would be too much. I'll keep my experiences to myself in the future though, dw. Don't mean to use this thread as a a personal diary anytime soon.

Since I'm replying, I might as well add something that actually is relevant to the conversation that I forgot to comment about: I've seen people here question Chloe's CFS a couple of times, but just wanted to add that Chloe has, in the past, said after Nadia is out the symptoms worsen since she's very hyper and stuff, and then she is the one who has to deal with the CFS. That is convenient as hell as well, since Chloe is the one who was supposed to deal with her responsibilities while Nadia is just a part that is there to have fun. I guess the part that went out in college and got black-out drunk also didn't experience CFS even though they all share the same body? Weirdly enough, her CFS doesn't seem to ever affect her social life and free time and only gets brought up as an excuse to evade being an adult. Kind of similar to her 'DID', imo.

 

[Cooking Mama]

It’s really hard to fake it as well as you think they did. DID is very complex watch other DID people and you’ll see that it’s very common and very hard to fake. Their mannerism change and a lot changes with them as well. Ask anyone in the DID community and they will say that they’ve or faking as this disorder is very hard and complex to fake. You can pretend yes like Trisha but if you sit there and say they fake it you don’t understand the situation

If DID is like what people claim it is (as in alters are basically created to protect the mind) then no. It’s not hard to fake. The mind fragments and creates alters to help process the trauma and protect the host. In order to protect the host, the alters act like said host when fronting as to not draw any negative attention or suspicion because, again, they were created to help protect the host and to process the trauma. Guess what that means? That means the alter is faking by acting like the host. Even “Kyle” has said that he can pretend to be Chloe and does it very well. Some might argue that that is the entire point of DID and that it’s only when they feel “safe and comfortable” that alters begin revealing more about themselves, but if the host is in an environment where the alters are at the point where they feel like they don’t have to act like the host anymore, then that typically means they’re now in a situation where they can begin to heal and “integrate” and Chloe has shown very little of that. Yes, everyone processes and heals differently, but such little progress like that should be an indication that Chloe needs help. The end goal for DID is for all the fragments to integrate and for the host to come to terms with what has happened and learn how to cope with negative experiences in a more healthy manner. Chloe doesn’t seem to be doing any of this, though it could be happening privately. And if that’s the case, then, again, as a mental health advocate, she could be sharing tips she has received in therapy to her viewers to help them with their own recovery process. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen her talk about that much, she just tends to focus on DID itself and how it happens and the different kind of alters one can have.

Also, even the medical community can’t even agree if DID is real or not because there is no concrete way to prove it exists, unlike other disorders and illnesses. There are more people in the medical community who are skeptical of it than those who aren’t and even a few of the ones who do think it’s possible believe that alters are just more of an emotional state than actual alternate identities with their own lives and history. No one can definitively say that they have DID since there is no hard evidence to back up the assertion. We also can’t say definitively if someone has it or not, but there is more scientific evidence to back up our suspicions than not. DID is a very speculative disorder in the medical community and for good reason.

Besides, all the reasons why most of us in this thread are skeptical of Chloe actually having it is scattered through out this thread and also very conveniently provided in the OP. You can choose to believe what you want, that’s your right, just as it is our right to believe what we want to believe about Chloe. No one really gives a shit, anyways, we’re just here to observe and speculate. And that’s all I have to say about that.

I've seen people here question Chloe's CFS a couple of times, but just wanted to add that Chloe has, in the past, said after Nadia is out the symptoms worsen since she's very hyper and stuff, and then she is the one who has to deal with the CFS. That is convenient as hell as well, since Chloe is the one who was supposed to deal with her responsibilities while Nadia is just a part that is there to have fun. I guess the part that went out in college and got black-out drunk also didn't experience CFS even though they all share the same body? Weirdly enough, her CFS doesn't seem to ever affect her social life and free time and only gets brought up as an excuse to evade being an adult. Kind of similar to her 'DID', imo.

I actually pointed that out a few pages ago. Not so much the Nadia thing but how the constant partying and getting black out drunk should wreak havoc on Chloe’s body if she has CFS as well as questioning how she knew it was a black out from drinking and not an alter taking over. Very curious indeed.

 

[dumb bitchitis]

People are out here forging brain scans, lab results, shaving their heads, convincing their doctors to give them chemotherapy......faking DID is a walk in the park. Almost lazy compared to some other malingerers and attention seekers.

 

[Clout chaser]

I've been wondering about another criteria for a DID diagnosis (as of now) which is the REPEATED occurrence of childhood severe abuse. Though not impossible, it still bugs me that her parents would not have a clue about what it could be... when it is supposed to be chronic enough so a whole identity can form. A neighbour ? Yeah but would you not notice the abuse at some point ? Another family member would be more plausible, but I don't remember her mentioning this either.

Also, I've read a paper which is a summary of all existing studies (18 when the paper was published in 2014) that had been trying to find ways to differentiate an individual with DID from someone simulating DID. Note that, like most studies about DID, results are criticised and must not be taken for the truth. So, several points were brought up :

- In 1994 already, specialists noted the increasing number of alters described by self-diagnosed patients. This is an argument in favour of docs who do not believe DID is caused by trauma but rather is a social construct (aka imitation due to media depiction, ring a bell ?)

- In most cases, "the core symptoms [including alters] tend to emerge only after treatment has started." So much for 99% of the DID community who've never seen a shrine.

- Any form of self-diagnosis is unreliable, namely because a lot of recurring symptoms for having DID are observed as a "cognitive deficit" and you spot them by doing tests.

- Several studies observed similar results for people with DID and people simulating when it came to amnesia between alters : the amnesia wall is indeed incomplete, but that also means that it can be faked easily and conveniently manipulated.

- Some people have already said it here, DID has always been a diagnosis fancied by malingerers with BPB who are in denial or just full of shit.

- As for what an alter can look like it's hard to come across study cases. So far I've read about dead people, children (yup), and also non-human ones but usually demons/gods that kinda represent a management of right/wrong sense. Not the anime starting-pack.

My conclusion in regards to Chloe is that everything is shady, blurred lines everywhere, and DID was probably the best disorder someone like her could've instrumentalised to get what she wanted.

Spoiler: Ex-Chloe supporter disappointed comment

Until a couple days ago I was fully on Chloe's side and now I feel dumb as fuck. The DID community is making up shit day after day, creating a whole new disorder with their own rules that no fucking one has rightfully been able to prove whatsoever. If I had to give Chloe credit one last time, it would be for knowing how to do her homeworks and absorbing tons of preexisting studies, making them her own, and creating yet one more cult-ish fucked up community.

 

[talk talk talk]

how do munchie threads always end up attracting sub-cows offering themselves up as tribute?

The herd instinct of the common lolcow (bovinus kiwus) is very strong.

 

[rot]

I want to watch several “DID” people live in a mansion together. Like Jersey Shore type shit.

I wanna watch a show with multiple malingerers and 1 person who pretends to have DID, and the malingerers need to guess who's the mole. Oh wait, that would be too "invalidating"

saying that it didn't matter the names of the littles could be seen through the page because they were gone.

I thought she said alters couldn't die or disappear because they were real people, they could only go dormant. hmmmmmmmmm

 

[Cooking Mama]

I wanna watch a show with multiple malingerers and 1 person who pretends to have DID, and the malingerers need to guess who's the mole. Oh wait, that would be too "invalidating"

I’ve witnessed something like that in real life, except it was two people faking DID (one started saying they think they have it and then the other one hopped on board and began claiming they had it, too) and one person pretending to have it and making shit up to see what they could get away with with the other two. Those two malingerers never questioned it and fully believed the shit coming out of the mouth of the one who was faking for the lulz. The person faking eventually stopped and said that all the alters integrated after a few months of therapy and they also bought that story, too. It was 10/10, would watch again.

 

[heterotic]

I wanna watch a show with multiple malingerers and 1 person who pretends to have DID, and the malingerers need to guess who's the mole. Oh wait, that would be too "invalidating"

Isn't this what we are watching now

 

[notpasta45]

This. No one is denying the fact that abuse can and does happen with more privileged families, I think all the main posters in this thread are pretty much well aware of the reality of abuse and that it can happen to anyone. It’s just the fact that, time and again, there has been evidence shown that she has a good relationship with her parents and they do genuinely care about her as evidenced by the conversation her mother had with Jamie. But, Chloe has constantly hinted at childhood abuse and when she was threatened with “homelessness” she said that, basically, if she couldn’t raise the funds needed that she would have to go back to living near her abusers. Because she would have to live with her parents again. It’s not beyond the realm of possibilities that she could have been abused by a neighbor or a trusted adult in her life or something along those lines and her parents were oblivious to it, but Chloe has pointed out before that neither she nor her parents remember anything like that really occurring in her childhood. Is it possible that her parents weren’t aware of it and that Chloe blocked it from her memory? Absolutely. But, given what we’ve uncovered, it seems like her parents really do love and support her and, while it’s not impossible, parents like that would eventually have to notice something is wrong with their child if they were being abused. There are just way too many signs children give when something like that is going on, even if they’ve been conditioned not to talk about it. Yes, some parents refuse to acknowledge abuse, but from what we’ve seen it seems like that’s not really the case with her parents.

We speculate on her parents wealth because she has constantly e-begged and talked about going homeless and how she doesn’t have much money and is taking money from her fans. There was one person that was posted about who pretty much gave up all their rent money (if I remember correctly?) to Chloe’s Patreon to help support her. If her socialblade is to be believed, she does not need to e-beg.

Also wanted to add: we’re also not saying that mental illnesses and disorders can’t happen to more privileged people because that’s just stupid and not how shit works. They can happen to anyone, regardless of wealth or how well loved and taken care of they were by their parents. But, DID is a disorder that develops in childhood and Chloe has pointed that out many times. Again, from what we have seen and heard from her, it does seem like she had a normal and happy childhood and her relationship with her parents as an adult still seems healthy.

You're absolutely right. In fact, Alice/Helen (severe CSA victim also suffering from DID who did a documentary and wrote an autobiography; has been brought up on occasions in this thread because many people consider her to be the most "legit" case of DID and Chloe might have borrowed some of her sob story from her) was also from an upper-middle class family.

However, Chloe admitted on multiple occasions that her parents are very supportive of her and devastated that they don't know about the supposed abuse Chloe endured, that she had never been raped or sexually abused (until recently at least, I think she claims she was raped in 2018?), and has described her childhood as happy and carefree.

I think people mostly bring up her family's economic status because she made videos whining about how her parents didn't buy her a bop-it or some other random crap she wanted, which according to Tumblr is severe child abuse. In actuality, she appears to be from a very loving and supportive household AND had a much more privileged upbringing than most people. And yet she suffered so badly in early childhood that her personality became fragmented?

I wonder what could have happened without her primary caregivers realizing? I wonder how she managed to be a completely normal child (no noticeable self-harm, OCD, alcohol abuse, fear of being touched etc.) despite everything she endured? I wonder why she never had any symptoms of DID until academic pressure started rising in her late teens/early adulthood?

Okay, thank you. I must have missed some of this stuff. I appreciate the responses. I have a much better context of where we're all at now, apologies for the dumb.

That begs the question, if her abuse was real, you would think that her parents being even slightly well off would mean they would seek legal action, but then again, I'm not familiar with statue of limitations in UK.

 

[Twinkie]

@Kikimc67 is threadbanned you retards. Stop trying to do something you shouldn't be doing (slapfighting) with a user who can't even respond, on a subject you shouldn't be rehashing anyway (muh DID don't real)