Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Does anybody have a list of shit that's been announced but never materialized? What's the plan here? Announce so much shit that when the shit you previously announced didn't get made anyone can forget because you're hoping that announcing the "Totally happening Qui-Gon Disney+ series!!!!11" is going to get the soypods into a tizzy that it'll Men in Black the previous announcements?

Are all these announcements being approved by Disney? Do they just have mountains of cash floating around after Corona fucked them into billions in debt? I mean I'll try to make the list:

1. Boba Fett: Never happened. It turned into the Mandalorian to be fair.
2. Rian's trilogy: haven't heard a peep about it even though Rian keeps telling us it's happening.
3. Obi-Wan movie/show/whatever the fuck it is now: pretty much cancelled
4. D&Ds trilogy: buried
5. High Republic: Not a word since the cringetastic trailer
6. That obnoxious lesbian scientist chick whose name I can't remember show: I don't know
Shotty production companies (for some reason it's only the pro SJW ones) like to drum up interest publicly so they can get projects funded and approved privately. So they announce a bunch of things to trick/strong arm their bosses into doing what they want to do.

Nobody knows where they picked up this idea or why they think it will work.
 
I will start by saying again:
Don't believe shit about a project being "Green lit" until checks are being cashed.

There are a lot of reasons for saying something is "in production" (and, to be completely fair here, "hiring a script writer to give us a treatment" is a stage of production so technically counts). Sometimes its to gauge reaction. Sometimes its shadowboxing with the other studios - you lie about what you're working on to keep them off the truth. Sometimes you're trying to identify leaks. Sometimes you are just putting on a brave face as your career explodes into fiery pieces behind you, and there's really no downside to trying to pretend everything is fine, because panicking or calm you're going to drown either way once the ship completely sinks.



When I was a younger lad, industry relative took me around some places including the "script warehouse" at their job. Imagine the warehouse from Indiana Jones, floor to ceiling shelves of bankers boxes with scripts and treatments that were paid for - commissioned from staff writers or bought from freelancers - that never saw and were unlikely to see the light of day. A literal library of forgotten scripts. The studio kept them for two reasons - 1, writers strike, you want a deep script mine to pull from. Second was to head off plagiarism claims; if you have a script from 1953 about two buddy cops who fight space aliens, if someone tries to sue you because "Bad Lieutenant: Roswell" rips off their Harry Potter/X-files crossfic, you can simply say you adapted the script from your 1953 script of "The Road to Mars". (this is an incredible over simplication btw).
But almost as importantly, if Warner Brothers releases "Lethal Weapon X:Mars Attacks", you now have grounds to try to sack-tap them for ripping off your 1953 script. (Likely this never sees court and just becomes another cog in a complex mechanism of reacharound,backscratching, and ego massages; by not dragging them to court for "Leathal Weapon X", they agree to stop trying to fuck you on "The Magical Teaparty"). And that's not counting when the studio just buys up every script on the market that might compete with a big-budget tentpole with no intentions other than to sit on them and keep them from a competitor.

But ever single movie and TV pilot in that warehouse - and again, some of them were decades old - was 'in production'.


tl;dr The big earthquake that is supposed to send all of LA screaming and burning to the bottom of the sea cannot come soon enough.
 
I'm seeing some claim that the blowjob video was faked or part of a plot by his ex or Disney to screw him over. Sounds a bit too convoluted for my tastes. Regardless of the "truth" the man's career is screwed as well as Disney's potential image for Maul. Then again they gave Kylo Ren jerking it to Lena fucking Dunham a pass... but if it is confirmed as "revenge" then yeah he's screwed.
Does anybody have a list of shit that's been announced but never materialized? What's the plan here? Announce so much shit that when the shit you previously announced didn't get made anyone can forget because you're hoping that announcing the "Totally happening Qui-Gon Disney+ series!!!!11" is going to get the soypods into a tizzy that it'll Men in Black the previous announcements?

Are all these announcements being approved by Disney? Do they just have mountains of cash floating around after Corona fucked them into billions in debt? I mean I'll try to make the list:

1. Boba Fett: Never happened. It turned into the Mandalorian to be fair.
2. Rian's trilogy: haven't heard a peep about it even though Rian keeps telling us it's happening.
3. Obi-Wan movie/show/whatever the fuck it is now: pretty much cancelled
4. D&Ds trilogy: buried
5. High Republic: Not a word since the cringetastic trailer
6. That obnoxious lesbian scientist chick whose name I can't remember show: I don't know
High Republic has actually gotten a preview of its prologue released on IGN, some shilling in the stupid Aphra comics and the first book is still confirmed for release sometime later in 2020 or 2021 due to Corona, but I suspect at least half of it will get canned, like the comics by Marvel and IDW, especially with IDW being in a rather disastrous state right now. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly just stopped talking about it all together and just brushed it under the carpet or that they merge the three novels into a single novel.

Judging from Aphra's bullshit, High Republic will have some stupid magic mcguffins that are made up of two rings, one that can grant immortality and one that can grant fortune which were fought over or something... If that's really part of HR's plot then yeah this really ain't going anywhere.

In fact, it seems Disney might be pushing High Republic out of the way to make way for the nu-Thrawn prequel Trilogy of novels to ensure it doesn't have any competition in sales.
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With how much Disney shit won't stop talking about the Unknown Regions, they might as well call it the Known Regions. Also ever since Plan IX news articles and shills are being strangely complimentary about the EU despite shitting on it at every turn. I guess since Disney pulled a worse Dark Empire while stealing all the weaker ideas from it instead of the better ones, they can't exactly talk shit about it without shitting on daddy Disney.

As for other cancelled projects...

7: There's the Chinese novellas and SW website for China that would sell edited and chinese translated SW books fit for government approval. It was all over the SW news but now its just dead.

8: The untitled Jabba the Hutt movie project which hardly anyone talks about now from back in 2017 that suddenly stopped being relevant after Solo bombed.

9: EA's Ragtag/Project Orca which was set to be an SW sandbox game for a while but was canned and the team was moved to work on Fallen Order.

10: A movie set in Mos Eisley (milking it much Iger?) which was also canned after Solo bombed.

11: The Kevin Feige Star Wars movie that was talked about before Plan IX but suddenly went dead. May or may not be part of the 2023 trilogy.

12: There were rumors of a Yoda movie back in 2014. I'd be skeptical but considering that retard Iger wanted to make SW films an annual event, I wouldn't be surprised if that was in the plans.

13: The Darth Vader series/TV Specials for 2014 that never saw the light of day despite being on several lists of Disney projects and on shitty shill sites.

14: KOTOR III was something that's been rumored a lot and it was revealed a while ago that Bioware actually did want to make the game, but EA and Disney refused. Disney also forbade Chuck Wendig and any nu-authors from using KOTOR elements or HK-47. The first actual namedrop of Revan was in the shitty Plan IX guide. Speaking of KOTOR, I find it amusing that people called Abrams a big fan of KOTOR despite him knowing almost nothing about it other than Revan's mask and not even being smart enough to make the Star Forge the FO's actual secret weapon despite it making the most sense for their infinite resources. Anyway, some asshole then decided that KOTOR 3 should be a game based on Disney canon that only brings elements from the first two games to better fit with the new canon and the Disney Trilogy. Man these people are retarded.

15: Supposed rumors of a Rogue One sequel which I guess devolved into the Not-Katarn show on Disney+ much like Fett and Kenobi after Solo bombed.

16: JD Dillard's Exogol movie was talked about back in February as either a cinematic release or a Disney+ original and was set to take place on Exogol as the home of the Siths while fucking over lore and G-Canon some more. Nothing's been heard of it since and I expect the Exogol movie to be dead in the water since that was back in February when Corona really started fucking shit up for them. Instead a new novel project based on Exogol has been announced in its place which I talked about before with the novel being an SW version of Universal Monster movies.

All of these items are all the cancelled Disney projects without counting the dozens of projects that were cancelled after the Disney/Kennedy takeover, or the dozens more that got axed after George put all focus on Filoni Wars junk and spinoffs due to that show soaking up much of the budget on everything... However I fear these idiots may still want to make their bastardized KOTOR III.

There's also rumors of spinoffs based on the Mandalorian cuz they gotta milk their least crappy project for all its worth, but this is sort of relevant to what I said before in that they might want to make animated adaptations of the Mandalorian due to Corona. This apparently comes from a statement that Iger made during the 2020 investors call. As for Mandalorian season 3, its supposedly only started production now with writing only. With how Corona is going, expect anything really.
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Judging from Aphra's bullshit, High Republic will have some stupid magic mcguffins that are made up of two rings, one that can grant immortality and one that can grant fortune which were fought over or something... If that's really part of HR's plot then yeah this really ain't going anywhere.

Harry Skywalker X: The Two Towers of Azkaban. Stunning originality, rolls right off the tongue.

7: There's the Chinese novellas and SW website for China that would sell edited and chinese translated SW books fit for government approval. It was all over the SW news but now its just dead.

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Christ no.
 
Does anybody have a list of shit that's been announced but never materialized? What's the plan here? Announce so much shit that when the shit you previously announced didn't get made anyone can forget because you're hoping that announcing the "Totally happening Qui-Gon Disney+ series!!!!11" is going to get the soypods into a tizzy that it'll Men in Black the previous announcements?
It looks like the Kurtzman approach to the creative side of a production company. It's not a surprise since Kathleen's right hand is JJ's former production assistant.
 
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Most projects do fail. This is true in every industry from fast food to aerospace, and Hollywood is no exception. What is unusual about Hollywood is that they almost always project a public image of roaring success. Someone at director level or higher is almost never publicly "fired." They "have creative differences" or "decide to move to independent production" or something.

Joseph Mankiewicz was fired while Cleopatra (1963) was in production, and even then the press release stated he had "earned a rest." And that is extraordinary.

So forget it: Kennedy is not going to be fired. It is much more likely she will be head of Lucasfilm with the title of Supreme God-Empress of the Earth, Sea, and Sky while simultaneously being unable to get a new book series published.

She is still nominally in charge of Lucasfilm. Outsiders like me have no idea if that means anything.
 
So forget it: Kennedy is not going to be fired. It is much more likely she will be head of Lucasfilm with the title of Supreme God-Empress of the Earth, Sea, and Sky while simultaneously being unable to get a new book series published.

I think her contract is up in 2022. I agree she's not getting fired, but I also think once that's done she'll be gone, off "pursuing other interests." And given the current state of Hollywood, I'm skeptical we're going to see much from any studio before 2022 at this point.


What is unusual about Hollywood is that they almost always project a public image of roaring success. Someone at director level or higher is almost never publicly "fired." They "have creative differences" or "decide to move to independent production" or something.

This is fairly common with big corporations and even government, too, with officers being allowed to either retire or (if too young) to otherwise "spend more time with their family."
 
It probably helped sales. I liked Stackpole's attempt to make them more militarily coherent, but then they nuke Ithor anyway.
What was militarily incoherent or strategically unwise about nuking the one planet that creates a pollen that can be used as a lethal exploit in your military's chief means of armor?

I don't agree, some of that is just a natural difference in opinion. I don't like the immunity to the force/outside the galaxy thing. I thought it was distracting to me personally.
I can't really tell you how to feel, and you're certainly not alone in your sentiment, as it seems to be a personal hang-up with the Vong that a lot of people have (among other things).

I suppose all I can say is that for me, it was one of the things that made the Yuuzhan Vong terrifying. It forced the Jedi to essentially be as helpless and reliant on their wits as normal people around them, and thrust them into arguably the worst moral dilemma the Jedi has ever had to face. It made for many great narrative opportunities, many of which the authors definitely made use of.

When it comes to the ultimate revelation of why the Vong are immune to the Force, it's not just the turning point for the main characters...it's a turning point for many of the Vong characters as well, when they realize in that horrible moment that their religion, their culture and sense of honor, is all a shallow lie. And the characters react to that lie in different ways, generating new goals and motivations for them, as The Final Prophecy very compellingly shows.

It was something that in lesser hands, probably could've been handled terribly. When introducing something as game-changing as immunity to the Force, you need to be careful in how nuanced your explanation is and how you economize it in the narrative. To me, that's the difference between something like the Vong's twisted origins, and the complete wave-away concept of the Force Dyad in TROS that the writers had no interest in fleshing out or nurturing as a part of the lore. It's there for one-time use, to necessitate shallow pay-offs, and that's it.

As for individual Vong? I found Tsavong Lah obnoxious with a handful of exceptions that happened post Star by Star. Yim and Harrar didn't appeal either. Nom Anor was always interesting, but they didn't give him the chance to really shine until later. I liked what they did with him in the end.
I didn't see the Vong as sympathetic or interesting thru the whole thing. They were obnoxious invaders who committed genocide on the regular. Palpatine could have come back and super weaponed them all to hell and I would have been fine with that outcome.
I can't say I agree at all. Part of my big complaint with Dark Nest as a follow-up to NJO was the complete lack of interesting, varied and developed characters. The second the Vong characters were gone, I wanted them back. Tsavong Lah was a cunning and calculating villain, one I didn't find obnoxious at all---he symbolized a lot of the Vong's cruel religious fanaticism, and a threat that the story treated as deathly serious to the main characters. I even liked the way the writers showed his adherence to the caste and family traditions of the Vong culture, as demonstrated with his interactions with his father Tsulkang in Enemy Lines. He's pretty much everything I wanted from the Vong species when they were first introduced. On Harrar, while I feel he was actually underused and not that well-developed early on in the series, I really like the way he was used in the later books as one of the first Vong insurrectionists, and how he shows a remarkable amount of philosophizing and perspective once he's forced to confront the truth about his religion's falsehood, which he shares with Corran Horn (I also love his confrontation with Nom Anor in Final Prophecy). But Nen Yim was by far the biggest surprise, and my favorite Vong character by far---because she wasn't some hulking warrior or lethal assassin. She's introduced as an everywoman of the Vong culture, a young wide-eyed Shaper who's obviously been conditioned by the culture around her, but is actually motivated by her love of her craft and loyalty to her people....even to the extent that she's willing to face charges of heresy and execution if it means keeping them safe. We rarely see that kind of characterization for anatgonists of Star Wars, not without some larger redemption arc tied to them, or being a kind of combatant or large player in the military conflict at hand. Nen Yim's risking a lot, even though she likely can't do anything to save herself...she doesn't have the strength or training to avoid being killed, but she soldiers on anyway. And in spite of all of her efforts to save the Vong Civilians residing on the worldship she's frantically trying to fix, they're all mercilessly killed by Kyp Durron...leaving Nen Yim utterly and emotionally devastated, and filled with the kind of motivation to have a more vested interest in the defeat of the New Republic. It's one of the rare moments in Star Wars where the antagonist has a very rational and warranted reason to want the main characters dead, beyond the usual reason of them being "pesky, meddling Rebels". I think Greg Keyes was onto something when he introduced this character, and while I don't think all of her narrative potential was realized in the books, I still adore the role she played in the Vong's redemption as a species, and her position as the sole relatable and down-to-earth Vong character amongst a well-spring of what are essentially faith-blind, ruthless Knight Templars smearing the galaxy with the blood of perceived infidels.

I guess what I'm saying with all of this is that what kept the Vong from appearing in my eyes as just a "group of spikey-armored, uber-evil alien conquerors" was that on top of being one of the EU's finer examples of villains being driven not by simple conquest but by strong investment in their own morals (with the Vong literally believing that the GFFA populace, with their lifestyle and culture of debauchery and vile disrespect to the gods, are creating a taint on the galaxy for which the Vong are the only moral cure), but also because the specific Vong characters ushered to the forefront were multi-layered, and played a different role in the species' trajectory to redemption. Even as I go back and read books/comics about the Empire, I only rarely get flashes of the same satisfaction I had reading the constant exploits of these Vong characters, and their perspective on the war being fought. It's one of things that will keep me going back to NJO for years, and make it a highlight of the Expanded Universe for me.

But I'm enjoying LOTF tremendously for its main villain, so the Vong certainly have competition for their placement on my list of all-time great threats of the EU.
 
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8: The untitled Jabba the Hutt movie project which hardly anyone talks about now from back in 2017 that suddenly stopped being relevant after Solo bombed.

10: A movie set in Mos Eisley (milking it much Iger?) which was also canned after Solo bombed.
These two (which I never even heard of or were mentioned once and forgotten) could've been interesting if Disney actually let qualified people write them and not have their retarded policies like "Han Solo can't smuggle spice anymore because that's a drug reference" or all the other kneecapping Disney Star Wars faces when dealing with mature themes you'd expect out of science fiction western/gangster fiction. Or trying to link it all back to popular characters like Darth Maul or Han Solo. But good luck with that, because it's not Disney Star Wars without shitty hack writers, executive meddling by corporate suits, and memberberries out the ass.
 

I would have legit looked forward to seeing these project before CURRENT YEAR. Now, even if they were made by competent people who didn't hate franchise and see a need to disfigure it as to make it more "inclusive", I would avoid it like a plague because I know that it would be full of woke moments.


Most projects do fail. This is true in every industry from fast food to aerospace, and Hollywood is no exception. What is unusual about Hollywood is that they almost always project a public image of roaring success. Someone at director level or higher is almost never publicly "fired." They "have creative differences" or "decide to move to independent production" or something.

This is correct.
Again, Hollywood is all smoke and mirrors, and why you should never take much stock in anyone talking about a project until talent is cashing checks. You can have a script, have had auditions, have talent commit to the project....and then just as suddenly have it all evaporate with no notice.
 
So Steven Wayne, the guy behind the High Republic redesigns I've posted in the past, dropped his redesign for Keeve Trennis. I really like this one. It's got a lot of personality and the bandages on her hands and feet give off the vibe that she incorporates punching and kicking into her fighting style. She's also much more beautiful in this redesign and doesn't look jaundiced or ashy.

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So Steven Wayne, the guy behind the High Republic redesigns I've posted in the past, dropped his redesign for Keeve Trennis. I really like this one. It's got a lot of personality and the bandages on her hands and feet give off a cute that she incorporates punching and kicking into her fighting style. She's also much more beautiful in this redesign and doesn't look jaundiced or ashy.

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>Tfw you'll never have a hot Jedi equivalent of Storm from X-Men under Disney's regime of constant uglifying

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Actually now that I think about it, I'd love to see a Tartakovsky series a-la Clone Wars about Vader making a name for himself in the early Empire.

I'm an uncultured swine who doesn't really like his style and ADD storytelling, but I think it would be perfect for a Vader series, especially early Vader. There wouldn't be much prelude other than some imperial being told "You are fucking up. Darth Vader is coming to set shit straight." and Vader proceeding to Sith the problem into non-existence.

I could also see a very interesting... meta-narrative about the surviving Jedi/apprentices and the CIS-remnants joining forces.
 
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In all seriousness though, the drama surrounding Ray Park is insane right now. Conspiracy theories abound, lots of hate, lots of defenses, meltdown on instagram, his wife and family calling this false and harmful while others are attacking Ray Park because he wore a "nazi shirt" that said freedom is not free.
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I'm honestly having trouble keeping track of it all. Shit is absolutely nuts. 2020 strikes again.
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Also Hal Hickle director of ILM and lead animator for the prequels drank the koolaid.
Everyone at Lucasfilm is corrupted it seems.
So Steven Wayne, the guy behind the High Republic redesigns I've posted in the past, dropped his redesign for Keeve Trennis. I really like this one. It's got a lot of personality and the bandages on her hands and feet give off the vibe that she incorporates punching and kicking into her fighting style. She's also much more beautiful in this redesign and doesn't look jaundiced or ashy.

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>Tfw you'll never have a hot Jedi equivalent of Storm from X-Men under Disney's regime of constant uglifying

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Considering how the Korunnai were basically inspired by Central Africans and how many were eligible for the Jedi Order, they could easily have done such a jedi character with a strong african yet alien influence a la Storm. But I'm sure someone would consider that racist somehow.
 
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Fuck it, I'm in the pro Ray Park camp. The wife decided to play stupid games and she won a stupid prize.

As for the "Nazi" shirt, I cannot imagine being this delusional. Trying to hold someone "accountable" for a fucking tee shirt. The people who cry about that shit almost universally have never done anything with their lives but feel no sense of hypocrisy in sitting in judgement of others.
 
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