Inactive Nick Bate / Nickalaus B. Stoutzenberger (Thread 2: THE RECKONING)

[AnOminous]

We have a date.

Preliminary Hearing
06/16/2015
2:00 pm
Joshua R. Keller
Scheduled

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/MDJReport.ashx?docketNumber=MJ-02206-CR-0000107-2015

FAQ's updated.

Cool. Note that this might be waived anyway and never actually happen. Of course, this is a serious enough crime that counsel might actually be inclined to use the preliminary hearing to force the Commonwealth to put up some of its case up front. There's nothing to lose by that except time.

I'd still think the hearing might solely consist of waiving the formalities and moving ahead to trial.

While this is before a Magistrate Judge, the actual case will be before the Court of Common Pleas for Lancaster County. It will probably be assigned a new docket number with the new court.

You'll still search the same website to find it when it shows up there, but on the "Docket Sheets" pulldown, you'll pick Common Pleas Courts instead of Magisterial District Courts. I think this will be the case even if the case immediately pleads out because there will still be things like sentencing to deal with and a magistrate can't do that except for petty offenses.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Finally done with the two Nick threads.

Nick is clearly fucked up. The stalking is terrible and he should probably be in jail for that alone.

But, and I feel weird saying this - the only evidence that he did anything to Amber is the chatlog, right? Now, knowing what we know about how fucked up Nick is, is it really an impossibility that he would make that shit up?

I guess what I'm saying is that we can't trust anything the guy says. ANYTHING. Even the things that seem to serve no purpose but to disgrace himself. His mind is so twisted that to him, saying that he molested his sister could easily be his equivalent of when a 12 year old boy says they have a "girlfriend in Canada."

Like when Chris claims to be on hormones, we can't assume it's true. People who are prone to lying are prone to lying about everything, including the things that you already believe to be true.

He should be institutionalized, obviously, but I'm not cool with simply assuming he's guilty of this specific crime.

 

[AnOminous]

Finally done with the two Nick threads.

Nick is clearly fucked up. The stalking is terrible and he should probably be in jail for that alone.

But, and I feel weird saying this - the only evidence that he did anything to Amber is the chatlog, right? Now, knowing what we know about how fucked up Nick is, is it really an impossibility that he would make that shit up?

Testimony from a victim is generally considered evidence.

They also have more from Nick himself. After all, they interviewed him extensively. A lot of it is circumstantial, but victim testimony plus a ton of circumstantial evidence is enough. There are people on Death Row with nothing but an eyewitness identification.

 

[maddipuppy]

I know, right? You'd think she would be too old for him.
sorry not sorry

once, i asked him, "when will i be too old for you to keep hitting on me? i never thought i would want to grow up, but here i am"

It is astonishing that you were able to put up with him at all.
He's such a sicko he can't even cover his ass and try to pretend he's not a slimeball for two seconds. And the entire time he's also speaking like a complete fucking child. And to know it's not just some douchebag dicking around...to know what every single thing he says is genuine...

i liked taking out my anger on him a little bit admittedly.
i dont think hes even aware of the fact that what he says is socially unacceptable. or rather, he knows, but he goes by what he thinks should be acceptable, and assumes other people work the same way. for example, in his mind, masturbating with his own shit proves his innocence. he knows this is socially unacceptable, but because he believes that it will prove his innocence, he does it anyway, and sends it to a detective. another example is how he thinks pedophilia should be legal, but it isn't, but he thinks it is, therefore he didn't think he was going to go to jail for it.
im trying to think of better examples, but i hope this is understandable.

Jesus these twitter conversations, I can't believe how goddamn persistent he is

like i said, i liked taking out my anger on him...after awhile, though, it would just make me that much more angry. i could never win.

 

[Bluce Wee]

Finally done with the two Nick threads.

Nick is clearly fucked up. The stalking is terrible and he should probably be in jail for that alone.

But, and I feel weird saying this - the only evidence that he did anything to Amber is the chatlog, right? Now, knowing what we know about how fucked up Nick is, is it really an impossibility that he would make that shit up?

I guess what I'm saying is that we can't trust anything the guy says. ANYTHING. Even the things that seem to serve no purpose but to disgrace himself. His mind is so twisted that to him, saying that he molested his sister could just as easily be his equivalent of when a 12 year old says they have a "girlfriend in Canada."

Like when Chris claims to be on hormones, we can't assume it's true. People who are prone to lying are prone to lying about everything, including the things that you already believe to be true.

He should be institutionalized, obviously, but I'm not cool with simply assuming he's guilty of this specific crime.

The problem with rape and molestation cases is that there's rarely physical evidence more than a few days after the event. Evidence rules are a little relaxed in these instances - they don't just clap him in irons cause she said it, but the victim is usually asked to recount the story in lots of detail and questions are asked in a way to try and expose holes. I doubt they would move forward with it unless Amber's story and retelling of the story seemed ironclad. Further investigation into Nick would reveal how fixated he was on Amber and on child molestation in general. I'm sure the fact that he remembers details from the specific incident ("she had shit on her ass, so I didn't do it") is pretty damning too. I think it's pretty safe to assume that he Amber was telling the truth and he did it given how open he was about his predilections.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

Testimony from a victim is generally considered evidence.

They also have more from Nick himself. After all, they interviewed him extensively. A lot of it is circumstantial, but victim testimony plus a ton of circumstantial evidence is enough. There are people on Death Row with nothing but an eyewitness identification.

Yeah, I mean, the good thing is that there's gonna be a serious, in-depth investigation (and hopefully not an outright railroading) of someone who is a danger to society, so I hope whatever info they get from Nick and and as a result of the investigation is enough to actually answer the question of what he's done.

 

[Petronella]

Finally done with the two Nick threads.

Nick is clearly fucked up. The stalking is terrible and he should probably be in jail for that alone.

But, and I feel weird saying this - the only evidence that he did anything to Amber is the chatlog, right? Now, knowing what we know about how fucked up Nick is, is it really an impossibility that he would make that shit up?

I guess what I'm saying is that we can't trust anything the guy says. ANYTHING. Even the things that seem to serve no purpose but to disgrace himself. His mind is so twisted that to him, saying that he molested his sister could just as easily be his equivalent of when a 12 year old says they have a "girlfriend in Canada."

Like when Chris claims to be on hormones, we can't assume it's true. People who are prone to lying are prone to lying about everything, including the things that you already believe to be true.

He should be institutionalized, obviously, but I'm not cool with simply assuming he's guilty of this specific crime.

Eh, the chatlog is probably the strongest piece of evidence, but it's not the only thing. Other evidence includes Nick complaining that his family doesn't trust him alone with Amber, videos of Nick LARPing with Amber and yelling shit like "anal sex attack" at her, or (maybe less compelling, but still a red flag) Nick's admissions of being sexually interested in children and his attempts to find child porn. That, and it's very rare that kids come up with things like this on their own, so it's much more likely that something really did happen to prompt Amber to tell her dad.

 

[Godot]

jesus, these fucking chatlogs

"I downloaded a virus that put CP on their computer"

suuuuuuurreeee you did buddy

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, I mean, the good thing is that there's gonna be a serious, in-depth investigation (and hopefully not an outright railroading) of someone who is a danger to society, so I hope whatever info they get from Nick and and as a result of the investigation is enough to actually answer the question of what he's done.

They already have done the investigation. Prosecutors often have conviction rates exceeding 90% in cases they take to trial. They don't get rates like that by prosecuting cases they can't win. I am confident the DA's office has more evidence than we do, perhaps even evidence effectively amounting to a confession.

 

[Bluce Wee]

They already have done the investigation. Prosecutors often have conviction rates exceeding 90% in cases they take to trial. They don't get rates like that by prosecuting cases they can't win. I am confident the DA's office has more evidence than we do, perhaps even evidence effectively amounting to a confession.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if Nick basically confessed (or said something equating a confession) during an interview with a cop. He's not the brightest crayon in the box.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

i hear you cough every time i call you. fucking. disgusting.

Why would you call Nick? What were those conversations like?

 

[Shadow]

Nick's been in jail for over two weeks now. The idea of sitting there doing nothing for another month until the next hearing makes me so happy. No Pokemon or TMBG for you Nick. Probably never when he's sentenced.

 

[Judge Holden]

Nick's been in jail for over two weeks now. The idea of sitting there doing nothing for another month until the next hearing makes me so happy. No Pokemon or TMBG for you Nick. Probably never when he's sentenced.

Also keep in mind the fact he has almost certainly had the shit kicked/raped out of him by now unless they sealed him in solitary and brought all his meals to the cell

In which case keep in mind he is undergoing some nasty-ass mental torture right now

either way tis truly wonderful

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

The problem with rape and molestation cases is that there's rarely physical evidence more than a few days after the event. Evidence rules are a little relaxed in these instances - they don't just clap him in irons cause she said it, but the victim is usually asked to recount the story in lots of detail and questions are asked in a way to try and expose holes. I doubt they would move forward with it unless Amber's story and retelling of the story seemed ironclad. Further investigation into Nick would reveal how fixated he was on Amber and on child molestation in general. I'm sure the fact that he remembers details from the specific incident ("she had shit on her ass, so I didn't do it") is pretty damning too. I think it's pretty safe to assume that he Amber was telling the truth and he did it given how open he was about his predilections.

Isn't the fixation on Amber and child molestation also an argument of why he'd spend time on the internet fantasizing about it? People keep saying that he "confessed" and that might technically be true, but he's spent much, much more time (Even before the heat was on him) saying that it didn't happen (Especially in the psych report.)

Not that I trust what Nick Bate says exonerating himself, but I don't trust s chatlog admission of guilt either. Obviously, if Amber's story lines up with Nick's and there's been no coaching and she wasn't aware of Nick's story, that would be the strongest evidence of all, so I hope that if it happened, there's some sort of concrete evidence like that.

 

[Bluce Wee]

Isn't the fixation on Amber and child molestation also an argument of why he'd spend time on the internet fantasizing about it? People keep saying that he "confessed" and that might technically be true, he's spent much, much more time (Even before the heat was on him) saying that it didn't happen (Especially in the psych report.)

Not that I trust what Nick Bate says exonerating himself, but I don't trust chatlog admission of guilt either. Obviously, if Amber's story lines up with Nick's and there's been no coaching and she wasn't aware of Nick's story, that would be the strongest evidence of all, so I hope that if it happened, there's some sort of concrete evidence like that.

Hm, that's a fair way to look at it. I just don't think a DA would attempt to take it to trial without some kind of damning evidence beyond what we have available to us, especially when they make that decision after the police have already conducted a full investigation. If I were a DA, I wouldn't want to waste my (and the court's) time with something basically amounting to a he said/she said case without something concrete to build my case around.

 

[Godot]

Also keep in mind the fact he has almost certainly had the shit kicked/raped out of him by now unless they sealed him in solitary and brought all his meals to the cell

In which case keep in mind he is undergoing some nasty-ass mental torture right now

either way tis truly wonderful

he'll be in solitary, even violent offenders don't take kindly to child molesters, especially not disgusting ones like nick
edit: well they're all disgusting but you get the point, especially disgusting

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Karma may just throw a quadruple whammy and he'll have to endure the rest of the year with less than solitary.

 

[Godot]

Karma may just throw a quadruple whammy and he'll have to endure the rest of the year with less than solitary.

contrary to popular belief, prisons try as hard as they can to protect people, snitches and pedophiles are either isolated or put in a special block/ yard away from all the other inmates and put on a different schedule.

 

[maddipuppy]

new goldmine coming soon. we struck riches, boyz. there are so many images in there its gonna be uploading awhile.

here's a preview.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

new goldmine coming soon. we struck riches, boyz. there are so many images in there its gonna be uploading awhile.

here's a preview.

What the fuck. Does he remember his own conversations?