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Have you noticed how she always snifs and/or touches her nose?Nani?
We've been through this already.
Galidraan will never be the "glorious disaster" for the Mandalorians you're so desperate to paint it as.
The True Mandalorians were massacred almost to a man.
End of story.
The Jedi regretting the loss of life, nice moving of the goalposts by the way, isn't remotely the same as the galaxy shaking in terror at the ferocity of the Mandalorians and wondering how the Jedi will ever recover.
By the way your definition of a Pyrrhic Victory is rather odd.
If completely destroying the enemy and leaving them with no chance of victory is Pyrrhic then Alesia was a Pyrrhic Victory for Ceasar because hey the Gauls killed quite a few Legionaries before they went down.
The True Mandalorians ceased to exist in the span of like 20 minutes.
Killing a few dozen Jedi, who they outnumbered by a substantial amount, in an order of 10,000+ does nothing to change that.
I have to wonder if you're even reading the same books that everyone else is.
Oh, Kathleen is very specific with the main actresses she hires. It's why she also had Jynn as a dark haired white woman with a some received pronunciation. I don't know why- oh who am I kidding this is why:
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Drunk wine mom with a tentacle fetish is self-inserting herself into those characters to feel better and more powerful about herself. Literally her OCs are what she wants to be: flawless heroines who save everything and who have daddy issues due to being dug out of the gutter by Lucas as a diversity hire.
He is not above editing or instantly changing his position when it suits him, using and denying what a creator does whenever possible if he thinks it works for his argument.
He's just salty he can't "win" via attrition anymore, since at least one person will always respond back. This is only after his attempt to pretend to be the reasonable or more knowledgeable one failed, and his reliance on social pressure via people discouraging longposting failed to get people to stop talking about his waifu author in a negative tone.
This is just one last gasp to pretend he has control over the argument.
The big reason she isn't doing this is twofold. The first is that voice work has only in the last decade or so been destigmatized as an avenue by large animated productions. If you were stuck being a voice for a character, that crippled your career choices for a long time; it wasn't until the 90s and 2000s that this stigma went away.
The second is that for decades voicework was its own industry and had its own unions and guilds. It still does, and a recent fight that's been in Hollywood is trying to force in standard actors to voice acting roles to ensure they can be kept employed and money can be made. Issue is that this intrudes on the VA community, who were long ignored and they were I believe tied to writing to give you an idea.
Though I am pretty sure Daisy is doing roles recently; I think some shitty game had her as a VA. But that's why you aren't seeing a big flood. Like how people see comics and games, these cumrags don't like the lack of "glamor" and attention these venues have. They also have to deal with an entrenched system that knows it'd struggle to not get destroyed and absorbed by them.
Don't insult my boy Hayden like that. He, unlike Ridley, is a decent actor. He atleast tried with his performance in the prequels. He took some risks with his choices and they didn't pan out. There's a complete story arc there for Anikan in his performance whether you like that arc and his performance or not.
If that's not enough for you, watch him in Shattered Glass and Losers and compare it to the sad performance she gave in Murder on the Orient Express. Her issue is not the director. She's a bland, non-interesting actress who isn't hot enough to warrant being in a film on that alone.
Thats not a "WOC", at least not in my eyes.The Mandolorian with a Fat WOC and Discount Morgan Freeman.
Don't insult my boy Hayden like that. He, unlike Ridley, is a decent actor. He atleast tried with his performance in the prequels. He took some risks with his choices and they didn't pan out. There's a complete story arc there for Anikan in his performance whether you like that arc and his performance or not.
If that's not enough for you, watch him in Shattered Glass and Losers and compare it to the sad performance she gave in Murder on the Orient Express. Her issue is not the director. She's a bland, non-interesting actress who isn't hot enough to warrant being in a film on that alone.
I didn't, my point was his acting ability didn't have much impact. he could've been the best actor in the world, with the script and the direction he got it was all he could do. same for jake lloyd. so considering the overall shit package we got with nuwars, she could've been the best actress in the world, it wouldn't have made a difference. and if the writing would've been actually good no one would've cared. that's why the whole "he/she can/can't act" aspect is pretty irrelevant imo.
Hurt her career? she was a "literal who" whose previous high point in her "career" had been playing a dead body on one of the hundreds of generic TV crime dramas.
She had no career to hurt and being Rey will absolutely be her high point in this still birth career she desperately wants to lead to other bigger things (but won't). She has already made several million dollars off the role and, if she is not as stupid as we think she is, she will invest that for the future because she is not going to have much else to open her mouth to in the acting world.
An ex-Stormtrooper becoming a Jedi, fighting against an evil student of Luke Skywalker? It could have been the big-screen version of Jedi Outcast.
They really needed a “lore master” or something on set, someone with a full story and such planned out who made sure everything would fit into a coherent trilogy plot.
IIRC they DID have a bible / line developer / lore master before Disney to keep the continuity in check with the novels and games.
Sadly, there were many scenes cut from AOTC which would have made Anakin more sympathetic as they showed a lot of good character relationship drama between him and Padme that would justify their love story.
But the thing is, John Boyega didn't have as much high-priced acting lessons as Daisy Ridley did, and came off as just as good, if not better than Daisy, hence why it was an utter travesty that he wasn't the main character. An ex-Stormtrooper becoming a Jedi, fighting against an evil student of Luke Skywalker? It could have been the big-screen version of Jedi Outcast. Instead, we got Instant Jedi Just Add Feminism.
The Star Wars killer already happened, it's called The Last Jedi and The Rise of SkywalkerDune trailer dropped. Is it the (Disney) Star Wars killer?
The term I've been using is "debacle," which seems like an accurate descriptor given how the event is viewed from both the Mandalorian and Jedi/Republic perspective in various sources. It was definitely not "the finest hour" for either side.We've been through this already.
Galidraan will never be the "glorious disaster" for the Mandalorians you're so desperate to paint it as.
The True Mandalorians were massacred almost to a man.
End of story.
Your words, not mine. The point I emphasized was that suffering a KIA ratio of fifty percent is pretty catastrophic by real-world military standards, and as such, if Galidraan were a real-life battle, we would be talking about the Advance of Dooku's Jedi in similar terms as Picket's Charge or the Charge of the Light Brigade.The Jedi regretting the loss of life, nice moving of the goalposts by the way, isn't remotely the same as the galaxy shaking in terror at the ferocity of the Mandalorians and wondering how the Jedi will ever recover.
As I've previously explained, the common definition of a Pyrrhic victory is one in which the victory is not worth the price paid for it.By the way your definition of a Pyrrhic Victory is rather odd.
If completely destroying the enemy and leaving them with no chance of victory is Pyrrhic then Alesia was a Pyrrhic Victory for Ceasar because hey the Gauls killed quite a few Legionaries before they went down.
Here's a relevant passage from James Luceno's Darth Plagueis book:The True Mandalorians ceased to exist in the span of like 20 minutes.
Killing a few dozen Jedi, who they outnumbered by a substantial amount, in an order of 10,000+ does nothing to change that.
I have to wonder if you're even reading the same books that everyone else is.
I'm not really sure which authors you're referring to. Traviss's first SW book was published in 2004. The original KOTOR game, which is credited as Karpyshyn's first contribution to the EU, came out a year earlier, as did Sean Williams' first SW books. Matthew Stover's Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor was published in 2008, John Jackson Miller's Knights of the Old Republic title began publication at the beginning of 2006, James Luceno's The Unifying Force (the first time that he wrote about Mandalorians, so far as I'm aware) was released in 2006, and Hall Hood doesn't seem to have any SW-related writing credits prior to 2011. I think that that accounts for all of the authors that I noted as taking pages from Traviss's Mando lore in later works concerning Mandalorians.No gayz. Seriously. The Jedi slaughtering you all in fights and being the stooges of the Sith is totally awesome. Queen Karen totally was being followed by others, even the ones that were writing Mandos more than 10 years before she appeared!
!. Every official source lists there being 300 Mandalorians at Galidraan.The term I've been using is "debacle," which seems like an accurate descriptor given how the event is viewed from both the Mandalorian and Jedi/Republic perspective in various sources. It was definitely not "the finest hour" for either side.
Your words, not mine. The point I emphasized was that suffering a KIA ratio of fifty percent is pretty catastrophic by real-world military standards, and as such, if Galidraan were a real-life battle, we would be talking about the Advance of Dooku's Jedi in similar terms as Picket's Charge or the Charge of the Light Brigade.
As I've previously explained, the common definition of a Pyrrhic victory is one in which the victory is not worth the price paid for it.
This is a logical descriptor for the Jedi intervention on Galidraan, as the Jedi Order ended up losing a significant number of highly-trained and very valuable personnel to attain a "victory" that consisted of killing a bunch of people who were innocent of the charges that the Jedi confronted them on the basis of in the first place, while helping to disillusion the powerful, ambitious and influential Jedi Master Dooku against the Order and the Republic, and causing the vengeful and astonishingly dangerous Jango Fett to harbor a murderous anti-Jedi grudge that would help lead to his becoming the template for the Jedi-exterminating Clone Army.
Here's a relevant passage from James Luceno's Darth Plagueis book:
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As you can see:
- Despite ostensibly being a "provincial conflict," the invocation of "Galidraan" has apparently become Senate-parlance for a quagmire involving dead Jedi (note that none of the delegates present in the Galactic Senate's Grand Convocation Chamber need to ask Chancellor Valorum what he means by "another Galidraan," demonstrating the wide extent of the incident's infamy).
- Jedi Knights are painfully few in number, relative to the scale of their assigned task of keeping the peace in the Republic, and recently, more and more of them have been dying in the line of duty than seems to be historically normal, with the Galidraan incident being a noteworthy example of this latter trend.
- Palpatine, a Dark Lord of the Sith, sees the battle as a sign that the Dark Side has, in essence, conferred its blessing upon his designs, lending it a degree of cosmic significance, despite the small numbers involved.
Interestingly, I'm not sure that there is a book stating that Jango's True Mandalorians "outnumbered [the Jedi] by a substantial amount." In Darth Plagueis (2012), James Luceno states that eleven Jedi were killed but does not, so far as I've seen, comment on the size of Jango's force. Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force (2007) has Dooku claiming that twenty Jedi were insufficient to subdue a "small army" of Mandalorians, and repeats the eleven Jedi KIA claim but again offers no numbers for the Mandos. The New Essential Guide to Characters (2002) actually claims that the Jedi outnumbered the Mandalorians (which seems likely going by the art for Jango Fett: Open Seasons) but also that Jango actually slipped away during the battle, rather than falling (as shown in the comic) headfirst into a PTSD episode and being handed over to the Governor of Galidraan by the Jedi . Order 66 (2008 ) has Fenn Shysa claiming that Mandalore has not had "a credible army since Galidraan" a statement which fellow Mando Kal Skirata apparently finds unbelievable. Imperial Commando (2009) merely mentions Walon Vau's survivor's guilt for not being at Jango's side during the battle. The Insider article "The History of the Mandalorians" (2005) states that the True Mandalorian faction was "totally wiped out" (save for Jango) while the Essential Guide to Warfare (2012) merely states that they were "decimated" (if I've missed a major source of information about the battle here, please let me know).
Now, Wookiepedia claims that there were three hundred troops present under Jango at Galidraan, but according to the page's discussion tab, this is only an extrapolation based on the idea that if Komari Vosa supposedly killed 20 Mandalorians, then each of the other Jedi present simply must have killed a similar number. The claim is made that Leland Chee "apparently" canonized this calculation, however there's no link or quotation provided as proof, and the extrapolation itself presents the basic problem of contradicting the original and most detailed account of the battle (i.e. Open Seasons) to an almost comical degree.
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Open Seasons itself never shows more than sixteen True Mandalorians gathered together on Galidraan, and oddly enough, seems to make a point of showing more limp Jedi bodies lying in the snow than Mandos in virtually every relevant panel:
If one were to count every brown-robed body on the ground as a KIA (assuming that none are wounded or the same corpse viewed from different angles), the end-result would be a Jedi death-toll of about 18-19, which is well within the realm of possibility considering that the Jedi force arrived in a small fleet of five Consular-class starships.
Hope that that clears things up a bit.
I'm not really sure which authors you're referring to. Traviss's first SW book was published in 2004. The original KOTOR game, which is credited as Karpyshyn's first contribution to the EU, came out a year earlier, as did Sean Williams' first SW books. Matthew Stover's Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor was published in 2008, John Jackson Miller's Knights of the Old Republic title began publication at the beginning of 2006, James Luceno's The Unifying Force (the first time that he wrote about Mandalorians, so far as I'm aware) was released in 2006, and Hall Hood doesn't seem to have any SW-related writing credits prior to 2011. I think that that accounts for all of the authors that I noted as taking pages from Traviss's Mando lore in later works concerning Mandalorians.![]()
I second this. The deleted Anakin/Padme scenes mark the only instances where I was uber-pissed at George cutting scenes from any of his Star Wars films. I would've even have settled for having some of my favorite scenes like the Beast Arena and the Genosis Battle cut short just to have those deleted scenes stay in the film, and actually flesh out their relationship (and Padme's characterization) in the ways that it needed.Sadly, there were many scenes cut from AOTC which would have made Anakin more sympathetic as they showed a lot of good character relationship drama between him and Padme that would justify their love story.
Even Space Marine fanboys are less slobberingly sycophantic and don't deny reality as much as Fandalorians do.
The term I've been using is "debacle," which seems like an accurate descriptor given how the event is viewed from both the Mandalorian and Jedi/Republic perspective in various sources. It was definitely not "the finest hour" for either side.
Your words, not mine. The point I emphasized was that suffering a KIA ratio of fifty percent is pretty catastrophic by real-world military standards, and as such, if Galidraan were a real-life battle, we would be talking about the Advance of Dooku's Jedi in similar terms as Picket's Charge or the Charge of the Light Brigade.
As I've previously explained, the common definition of a Pyrrhic victory is one in which the victory is not worth the price paid for it.
This is a logical descriptor for the Jedi intervention on Galidraan, as the Jedi Order ended up losing a significant number of highly-trained and very valuable personnel to attain a "victory" that consisted of killing a bunch of people who were innocent of the charges that the Jedi confronted them on the basis of in the first place, while helping to disillusion the powerful, ambitious and influential Jedi Master Dooku against the Order and the Republic, and causing the vengeful and astonishingly dangerous Jango Fett to harbor a murderous anti-Jedi grudge that would help lead to his becoming the template for the Jedi-exterminating Clone Army.
Here's a relevant passage from James Luceno's Darth Plagueis book:
View attachment 1587494
As you can see:
- Despite ostensibly being a "provincial conflict," the invocation of "Galidraan" has apparently become Senate-parlance for a quagmire involving dead Jedi (note that none of the delegates present in the Galactic Senate's Grand Convocation Chamber need to ask Chancellor Valorum what he means by "another Galidraan," demonstrating the wide extent of the incident's infamy).
- Jedi Knights are painfully few in number, relative to the scale of their assigned task of keeping the peace in the Republic, and recently, more and more of them have been dying in the line of duty than seems to be historically normal, with the Galidraan incident being a noteworthy example of this latter trend.
- Palpatine, a Dark Lord of the Sith, sees the battle as a sign that the Dark Side has, in essence, conferred its blessing upon his designs, lending it a degree of cosmic significance, despite the small numbers involved.
Interestingly, I'm not sure that there is a book stating that Jango's True Mandalorians "outnumbered [the Jedi] by a substantial amount." In Darth Plagueis (2012), James Luceno states that eleven Jedi were killed but does not, so far as I've seen, comment on the size of Jango's force. Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force (2007) has Dooku claiming that twenty Jedi were insufficient to subdue a "small army" of Mandalorians, and repeats the eleven Jedi KIA claim but again offers no numbers for the Mandos. The New Essential Guide to Characters (2002) actually claims that the Jedi outnumbered the Mandalorians (which seems likely going by the art for Jango Fett: Open Seasons) but also that Jango actually slipped away during the battle, rather than falling (as shown in the comic) headfirst into a PTSD episode and being handed over to the Governor of Galidraan by the Jedi . Order 66 (2008 ) has Fenn Shysa claiming that Mandalore has not had "a credible army since Galidraan" a statement which fellow Mando Kal Skirata apparently finds unbelievable. Imperial Commando (2009) merely mentions Walon Vau's survivor's guilt for not being at Jango's side during the battle. The Insider article "The History of the Mandalorians" (2005) states that the True Mandalorian faction was "totally wiped out" (save for Jango) while the Essential Guide to Warfare (2012) merely states that they were "decimated" (if I've missed a major source of information about the battle here, please let me know).
Now, Wookiepedia claims that there were three hundred troops present under Jango at Galidraan, but according to the page's discussion tab, this is only an extrapolation based on the idea that if Komari Vosa supposedly killed 20 Mandalorians, then each of the other Jedi present simply must have killed a similar number. The claim is made that Leland Chee "apparently" canonized this calculation, however there's no link or quotation provided as proof, and the extrapolation itself presents the basic problem of contradicting the original and most detailed account of the battle (i.e. Open Seasons) to an almost comical degree.
View attachment 1587615
Open Seasons itself never shows more than sixteen True Mandalorians gathered together on Galidraan, and oddly enough, seems to make a point of showing more limp Jedi bodies lying in the snow than Mandos in virtually every relevant panel:
If one were to count every brown-robed body on the ground as a KIA (assuming that none are wounded or the same corpse viewed from different angles), the end-result would be a Jedi death-toll of about 18-19, which is well within the realm of possibility considering that the Jedi force arrived in a small fleet of five Consular-class starships.
Hope that that clears things up a bit.
I'm not really sure which authors you're referring to. Traviss's first SW book was published in 2004. The original KOTOR game, which is credited as Karpyshyn's first contribution to the EU, came out a year earlier, as did Sean Williams' first SW books. Matthew Stover's Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor was published in 2008, John Jackson Miller's Knights of the Old Republic title began publication at the beginning of 2006, James Luceno's The Unifying Force (the first time that he wrote about Mandalorians, so far as I'm aware) was released in 2006, and Hall Hood doesn't seem to have any SW-related writing credits prior to 2011. I think that that accounts for all of the authors that I noted as taking pages from Traviss's Mando lore in later works concerning Mandalorians.![]()
!. Every official source lists there being 300 Mandalorians at Galidraan.
The fact that you are trying to pretend that there were less than 20 based on nothing more than how many bodies you can count in panels defies belief.
2. At best your arguments only paint Galidraan as a political debacle.
Not a military one.
It's closer to the Battle of Mogadishu or the Tet Offensive than Bunker Hill or Borodino.
It's a symbol of Republic corruption not Jedi incompetence or Mandalorian badassery.
The Jedi destroyed the Mandalorians and completed their mission.
The mission just happened to be under false pretenses and was ultimately needless.
3. You waifus are shit and their only purpose is job to the Jedi and be Sith attack dogs.
Even Space Marine fanboys are less slobberingly sycophantic and don't deny reality as much as Fandalorians do.
I usually stay out of these little slap fights because I'm a Mando fan too although not nearly as obssessive, but cmon, those Ultramarine cocksuckers are just as bad as this guy. Smurf ass motherfuckers.