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First, do no harm.
this thread is about the doctors and surgeries, complications and bad responses from both the medical and broader trans community to people with troubles. It's not meant to debate the need/use of the surgeries, or just to post cursed images.
Doctors and surgeons have been trying for a hundred years or more to perfect, or at least get acceptable results from, genital reassignment surgery. There are multiple issues with this surgery, even in its most basic forms. Early surgeons performed fairly simple, brutal surgeries- one MtF patient died as a result of an attempted uterus transplant, but for the most part, surgeons just removed unwanted organs and structures. They weren't attempting to build functional vaginas or penises, at most, just something that looked about right from a distance.
The surgeons who are currently performing many of these surgeries are seemingly constrained by no medical ethics. Patients are routinely brushed off, ignored, or told to move on to a different doctor if they have complications. This is an issue as there are no doctors outside these little networks who practice these experimental procedures.
I'm posting this thread to watch for the doctors' responses to their patients, which are incredibly unprofessional and dismissive, and for reviews and problems with surgeries. Several Reddit forums that once compiled the issues and problems of these patients have been removed. Many of these patients are terrified that their surgeon will recognize them, if they ask for help, and ban them from further treatment. Many have been told to shut up about their problems, pressured by the community to downplay the side effects and difficulties so they don't "scare people off" of surgery.
This pressure extends to any media coverage of people who had serious issues with their surgeries or transition:
I do not think any patient deserves to be treated this way, especially those suffering from a disability/illness like this. Whether you think it's mental illness, physical mismatch with the true self, or just a fun thing people can do- no surgeon should be posting these kind of results, with this much damage done to people, and this kind of treatment. These people do not have other doctors to turn to, for complications, because these are not standard surgeries. It's possible to see ten vaginal construction surgeries and see ten completely different procedures. There is no other type of surgery that is done this way.
Whether or not you like or believe in the condition of transgender people, they are human and are being treated as guinea pigs.
post about puberty blockers and the history of medical ethics regarding them
a vivid text-based post that sums up the intent and meaning of this thread, excellent summary, excellent post
These doctors are taking advantage of this community. The amount of drama and saltiness this causes is incredible, when it can be found.
/r/neovaginas and /r/detrans are where a lot of the victims of these experiments post, seeking advice. There's no advice. The trans community has no support for these problems. Side effects of testosterone and estrogen/progesterone are not even being fully researched. Many trans people have had cancer of the prostate, uterus, cervix, and heart problems, or other issues, due to their treatment.
Again, the doctors encourage the community to quash dissent or questioning.
The doctors have a stranglehold, there are damn few of them and the people who want the surgery know better than to speak up.
I'm posting just a few quotes to start and reserving the second post for images. I'll add to this OP as I find more.
Jess Ting, Marci Bowers, Suporn, Rumer, Raphael...
A link describing the various basic bottom surgeries. Orchiectomy, mastectomy, hysterectomy and penectomy are the simplest and oldest, safest procedures. All the rest will vary depending on surgeon, time of day, if they had decaf for breakfast, what the weather's like...
Dr. Rumer:
Home cutters (unlicensed random people performing surgery)
An acceptable, safe alternative that usually has less complications is zero-depth, this is just using the existing skin to make a vulva (external women's genitalia) without trying to build-in a vagina (internal structures)
www.reddit.com
It's less common because these doctors build up expectations and refuse to be honest with patients, but the people who've had it done aren't getting harmed, and seem all right with it. For a lot of them it's about getting rid of the things that "make" them the other sex, this does that very effectively.
ETA: The community of people who want or need this medical care is not to blame for the unsound medical practices or the neglect of patients at all. They are held to their silence as much by the doctors doing this as by anything else.
this thread is about the doctors and surgeries, complications and bad responses from both the medical and broader trans community to people with troubles. It's not meant to debate the need/use of the surgeries, or just to post cursed images.
Doctors and surgeons have been trying for a hundred years or more to perfect, or at least get acceptable results from, genital reassignment surgery. There are multiple issues with this surgery, even in its most basic forms. Early surgeons performed fairly simple, brutal surgeries- one MtF patient died as a result of an attempted uterus transplant, but for the most part, surgeons just removed unwanted organs and structures. They weren't attempting to build functional vaginas or penises, at most, just something that looked about right from a distance.
The surgeons who are currently performing many of these surgeries are seemingly constrained by no medical ethics. Patients are routinely brushed off, ignored, or told to move on to a different doctor if they have complications. This is an issue as there are no doctors outside these little networks who practice these experimental procedures.
I'm posting this thread to watch for the doctors' responses to their patients, which are incredibly unprofessional and dismissive, and for reviews and problems with surgeries. Several Reddit forums that once compiled the issues and problems of these patients have been removed. Many of these patients are terrified that their surgeon will recognize them, if they ask for help, and ban them from further treatment. Many have been told to shut up about their problems, pressured by the community to downplay the side effects and difficulties so they don't "scare people off" of surgery.
This pressure extends to any media coverage of people who had serious issues with their surgeries or transition:
I do not think any patient deserves to be treated this way, especially those suffering from a disability/illness like this. Whether you think it's mental illness, physical mismatch with the true self, or just a fun thing people can do- no surgeon should be posting these kind of results, with this much damage done to people, and this kind of treatment. These people do not have other doctors to turn to, for complications, because these are not standard surgeries. It's possible to see ten vaginal construction surgeries and see ten completely different procedures. There is no other type of surgery that is done this way.
Whether or not you like or believe in the condition of transgender people, they are human and are being treated as guinea pigs.
post about puberty blockers and the history of medical ethics regarding them
a vivid text-based post that sums up the intent and meaning of this thread, excellent summary, excellent post
These doctors are taking advantage of this community. The amount of drama and saltiness this causes is incredible, when it can be found.
/r/neovaginas and /r/detrans are where a lot of the victims of these experiments post, seeking advice. There's no advice. The trans community has no support for these problems. Side effects of testosterone and estrogen/progesterone are not even being fully researched. Many trans people have had cancer of the prostate, uterus, cervix, and heart problems, or other issues, due to their treatment.
Again, the doctors encourage the community to quash dissent or questioning.
The doctors have a stranglehold, there are damn few of them and the people who want the surgery know better than to speak up.
I'm posting just a few quotes to start and reserving the second post for images. I'll add to this OP as I find more.
Jess Ting, Marci Bowers, Suporn, Rumer, Raphael...
A link describing the various basic bottom surgeries. Orchiectomy, mastectomy, hysterectomy and penectomy are the simplest and oldest, safest procedures. All the rest will vary depending on surgeon, time of day, if they had decaf for breakfast, what the weather's like...
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Lack of informed consent:
There's no going back/HUSH YOU'LL SCARE THE EGGS:
It's not that they're talking about their own experience, they're literally killing people.
Lack of informed consent:
There's no going back/HUSH YOU'LL SCARE THE EGGS:
It's not that they're talking about their own experience, they're literally killing people.
Home cutters (unlicensed random people performing surgery)
An acceptable, safe alternative that usually has less complications is zero-depth, this is just using the existing skin to make a vulva (external women's genitalia) without trying to build-in a vagina (internal structures)
r/Transgender_Surgeries - Comment by u/vernlove on ”Straight and zero depth GRS. People who underwent zero depth, insight ?”
45 votes and 10 comments so far on Reddit
www.reddit.com
It's less common because these doctors build up expectations and refuse to be honest with patients, but the people who've had it done aren't getting harmed, and seem all right with it. For a lot of them it's about getting rid of the things that "make" them the other sex, this does that very effectively.
ETA: The community of people who want or need this medical care is not to blame for the unsound medical practices or the neglect of patients at all. They are held to their silence as much by the doctors doing this as by anything else.
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