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I shall take up the #InformNasser mantle: There's a "First Unread" label on the top of the page also every unread post has a "New" next to the header of the post and when you click on a thread the first post it redirects you to is the first unread one (or maybe not).


And yeah, I know you can't create a new industry without putting money in creators pockets. I'm just wondering where the emphasis is. Is it on 'being entertaining on Youtube', or is it about producing great comics and creating a new fanbase for the future of the hobby?
I was one of those :optimistic: fellows who thought something like Image Comics was going to happen and you'll see something new and unified emerge to rival the Big Two, but what we ended up with is a bit different. Also in an era when manga dominates everything and you have unsung markets like the Franco-Belgian what future is there to secure and protect for the American comics? A dying manga like attack on titan still sells millions of copies yearly, Demon Slayer which ran for four years just broke 100 million units sold in September. How would you rival that with the Nth relaunch of X-men which sold ~260K copies on it's first issue then never reached that number again or an Indiegogo campaign which at it's very best sells ~10K units?
 
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Fixed it for you.
Savage Dragon is Erik Larsen losing money over making his comicbook forever at this point.
Spawn is cool toys and brand deals

And @FROG is dollar-store Todd McFarlane.

SD has endured but I agree it's not nearly as memorable. If EVS had the creative powers of Todd and the work ethic and output of Erik, he wouldn't need to form his own cult. No cult, none of the self-generated drama cows, none of the anime betrayals, none of the ops and the occasional fraud.
 
SD has endured but I agree it's not nearly as memorable. If EVS had the creative powers of Todd and the work ethic and output of Erik, he wouldn't need to form his own cult. No cult, none of the self-generated drama cows, none of the anime betrayals, none of the ops and the occasional fraud.
Zack is more like Erik Larsen.
Weird guy, does his own thing, has his own ideas, only interested in doing comics, REALLY LOVES COMICS, constantly picks up fights.

Yeah, he kinda lacks Erik Larsen's talent and his focus on doing a comicbook month after month - I really hated Revenge of the Sinister Six but EL's writing on Savage Dragon got so much better over time.
 
Then he breaks down crying and ended the stream and privated it.

Well, something got that orange autism in a bind.
This is really sad and has gone on long enough. I guess now we get to see who is his friends really are by whether they get him some help or rush to have him on their own streams to generate more views. Your move Oz.
 
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There's a point that rings true. Those who are using their platforms to make money through 'personality' are helping to get new people to BUY their comics. But are they making new comic fans? It's one thing to convince people to buy the same comic book six different times over a couple years. That's great for one person's bank account. But is it actually helping 'save comics', or does anyone actually care about that?

I know everyone is in it for themselves. That's granted. So maybe it's a dumb question. But the argument in CG used to be that the big three were killing the industry. Was CG just about putting money in a few creators pockets, or was it actually about creating a new industry?

And yeah, I know you can't create a new industry without putting money in creators pockets. I'm just wondering where the emphasis is. Is it on 'being entertaining on Youtube', or is it about producing great comics and creating a new fanbase for the future of the hobby?

Sorry if that doesn't make enough sense, had a little too much Jack to think.

I'm not trying to "save comics." The idea makes me physically ill.

I'm trying to make it so that I can do comics. Everyone else in the mainstream can go fuck themselves. I only care about people buying and reading CYBERFROG.

So that means I have to find a way to circumvent the SJW mainstream gatekeepers that pretend I'm The Devil. YouTube and having a good connection with my customer base is a good substitution for the marketing arm of Warner Bros, Disney and the Direct Market. It's free, it's limitless in scope and potential, and it's easy.

If other people want to come along with me, as you see, they might be able to do so, as long as they are an asset to my main purpose.

Which is selling CYBERFROG.

Zack used to love Ray Kroc, and idolize him. I wonder if Ray Kroc ever felt like it was his purpose to "create a new industry" based around people enjoying "good food," or if it was always only about Ray Kroc putting money in his own pocket, and building up McDonalds?
 
I'm quirking a brow at Savage Dragon being referenced positively given last I checked it devolved into just plain porn with woke ads.

It's puerile trash. A sloppy, ugly-of-spirit comic book series that distributes roughly 3 copies per US State, that exists because Erik Larsen won't stop doing it.

SPAWN is better, but I'm not interested in the character as much as I am in what Todd McFarlane is actively involved in. If he wants to draw SPAWN, I'll buy it. It's always been about how interesting that guy is, less so about the stories he's telling.
 
I never give up on $10 million dreams.

And yes, I include EVERYONE in my "CG Tally." Especially TenNapel.

In January we set a CGUK target of being 1% of that 1%. A feat we've achieved with months to spare.

Last I checked we were tracking at around 2% of all CG sales
 
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I'm not trying to "save comics." The idea makes me physically ill.

Sadly I remember when you were pontificating about using the money from the first CyberFrog to set up publishing, instead all you have is a vanity label. Have you had anyone messaging you about having their products published under ALL CAPS?

In January we set a CGUK target of being 1% of that 1%. A feat we've achieved with months to spare.

Last I checked we were tracking at around 2% of all CG sales

I blame the shitpost livestreams full of colourful characters. My favourite is the Von Klaus / Hans Cleanser murder mystery.
 
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I dont think we should take Liam as the norm, the man is completely unhinged. Dannphan did a negative review recently of Pandemic and Zack's response was "well, shit." And if you listen to the SWC review more than half of it is relentlessly shitting on CG instead of talking about the book (you can shit on whatever you want, but don't call it something else), flagging is gay but it's somewhat understandable that Liam got mad.
Liam is the best embodiment of comicsgate right now. He:
- makes bad comics
- makes bad youtube videos
- delivers his product late if at all
- scams people out of their money
- is an impulsive narcissist and a liar
- uses flimsy excuses for shitty things he does
- is involved in harassment and gay ops
- is addicted to internet drama, to the point he can't stop himself from getting involved in discussions after his name is mentioned
- tries to silence and deplatform his critics
- threatens people with lawsuits
- doxes others (or at least tries to)
- is a fat wimp
Majority of people involved in comicsgate show most of these traits, but rarely every single one. Liam exhibits all of the above.
Zack is most honest out of the comicsgate aligned people, and a good sport about criticism of his work. At least from what I have seen. For example, he got a lot of shit after putting out his first draft of Jawbreakers. Instead of crying, sperging out, and trying to silence his critics, Zack tried to make use of the feedback he got. With mixed results, unfortunately. He seems to genuinely care about comics too, unlike greedy egoists like Ethan.

Here's what it really boils down to: No one has any new ideas in comics. The Big Two tried to put milkshakes in their gastanks and in response, what we call "CG" decided to revive the 80s-90s era of comics, using recycled versions of TMNT & GiJoe with content so compelling that they must rely on their YouTube charisma to wrangle the paypiggy per capita income. It's been said in different ways before, but as cool as Image was when it first hit the shelves, the only enduring properties to come out of that era was Savage Dragon and Spawn. It's not enough to be a gifted artist. If you're going to do it yourself, you have to be a gifted creator and a gifted writer too. Lacking 2 of those three requirements, Van Shekels is content with fusing his YT presence (which he does have a gift/grift for) to get it to sell. This has worked, but the comic is such an overproduced & overpriced bowl of Styrofoam airplane peanuts that it can't be used to form a solid foundation for a napkin holder let alone the last white hope of comic books.
American comics is an incestuous industry through and through, including people's ideas and influences. Most individuals involved are superhero fanboys. Capeshit is all they were ever exposed to as far as comics go. You can't expect people like that to have a proper understanding of the medium or storytelling. American comic book pros have very few actual interests and little life experience outside of american comics and mainstream entertainment. That leads to very little fresh influences to draw upon when crafting stories. Due to of all of this, most American comic book stories are bad, generic, predictable rehashes. Problems are solved by punching antagonists. Conflicts revolve around saving people or capturing criminals. Biggest departure you will see are comics emulating bad TV dramas. Almost everything is about superheroes, other people with superpowers, or maybe crime and law enforcement.

If you look at what gets published in Europe and Japan, you will see a very wide variety of genres and stories. You have stories about parents' daily struggles, life as a student, space garbage collectors, medieval grain merchants, lives of scientists and other historical figures, old men making the most out of last years of their lives, chefs, cowboys, knights, gravediggers, cells within human body, and so on, and so on... When you ask foreign creators about their interests, you hear everything from ancient myths to mathematics to sailing. Their entertainment exposure is not limited to domestic comics and mainstream film/TV. They are inspired by foreign comics, literature, theater, history, and much more.
Funny thing is that American comics used to be like this too to a degree. One genre did not dominate everything. Great creators lived interesting lives and have varied interests and experiences to draw upon. For example, Kirby was a soldier in WW2, he was interested in theology, and used both to inspire his wok. Then capeshit fanboys took over. They were only interested in making superhero stories, even at the expense of their long term profits and other genres. That's a big reason why american comics are a wasteland today. The few competent comic book creators in America have either diverse interests and/or lives outside of comics and internet.

Comicsgate is composed of people who know little outside of Marvel and DC as far as comics are concerned. Most people in comicsgate are interested in making money, being e-celebs, and satisfying their twitter addiction. Their life experience is limited to scamming, making videos, and streaming. Ethan is the most adventurous out of them, with his time working for DC and his hobby of sucking off men behind pizza parlors. That's why most comicgate books are dull drivel, no better than what mainstream American comic publishers are putting out.



I was one of those :optimistic: fellows who thought something like Image Comics was going to happen and you'll see something new and unified emerge to rival the Big Two, but what we ended up with is a bit different. Also in an era when manga dominates everything and you have unsung markets like the Franco-Belgian what future is there to secure and protect for the American comics? A dying manga like attack on titan still sells millions of copies yearly, Demon Slayer which ran for four years just broke 100 million units sold in September. How would you rival that with the Nth relaunch of X-men which sold ~260K copies on it's first issue then never reached that number again or an Indiegogo campaign which at it's very best sells ~10K units?
Comicsgate books are just a different kind of e-celeb merch. Some e-celebs sell t-shirts or cups. Comicsgate people sell comics through crowdfunding platforms instead. Like all e-celebs, they are heavily reliant on constant shilling and their fanbase's fear of missing out. If people were buying comicsgate comics for content, funding would not be so dependent on constant streams.
 
You clicked Like on all of his comments. You click Like on every comment. Why is that?
Because he thinks we're Twitter?

Fixed it for you.
Savage Dragon is Erik Larsen losing money over making his comicbook forever at this point.
Spawn is cool toys and brand deals

And @FROG is dollar-store Todd McFarlane.
Here's what it really boils down to: No one has any new ideas in comics. The Big Two tried to put milkshakes in their gastanks and in response, what we call "CG" decided to revive the 80s-90s era of comics, using recycled versions of TMNT & GiJoe with content so compelling that they must rely on their YouTube charisma to wrangle the paypiggy per capita income. It's been said in different ways before, but as cool as Image was when it first hit the shelves, the only enduring properties to come out of that era was Savage Dragon and Spawn. It's not enough to be a gifted artist. If you're going to do it yourself, you have to be a gifted creator and a gifted writer too. Lacking 2 of those three requirements, Van Shekels is content with fusing his YT presence (which he does have a gift/grift for) to get it to sell. This has worked, but the comic is such an overproduced & overpriced bowl of Styrofoam airplane peanuts that it can't be used to form a solid foundation for a napkin holder let alone the last white hope of comic books.

Woof. Rob Liefeld is sweating!

Alright, to move on from the retardation in-thread, here's something that just happened: Liam streamed for half an hour whining about something like not being appreciated for what he's done for people in the community, being backstabbed, the usual sympathy fishing bullshit he does, etc...

Then he breaks down crying and ended the stream and privated it.

Well, something got that orange autism in a bind.
Aussie tism is beyond us mere humans understanding...
 
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Sadly I remember when you were pontificating about using the money from the first CyberFrog to set up publishing, instead all you have is a vanity label. Have you had anyone messaging you about having their products published under ALL CAPS?

Well, that's a lie. I never thought about setting up publishing in such a way that "anyone" might message me about having their "products published under ALL CAPS."

The idea has always been to slowly build ALL CAPS out from CYBERFROG and REIGNBOW THE BRUTE to be able to hire more people to work on MY properties in long term contracts. And "slowly" is the operative word, because I can't be sure if my ideas will sell with creators other than me working on them. I am miraculous, singular, and inimitable. Does it need to be me, or can someone else draw a CYBERFROG series?

The world doesn't need more comics. The world needs more of MY comics.

Two exceptions, I'd be interested in publishing JAWBREAKERS and GRAVEYARD SHIFT, because they've already demonstrated their commercial success, and Zack and Malin are good dudes.

And the answer is YES, people are constantly asking me to publish them or hire them. But my answer is no. The people I'd bend my own rules for would certainly be able to make their own vanity presses, which is all any of us should do.
 
Here's what it really boils down to: No one has any new ideas in comics.

I'm just wondering where the emphasis is. Is it on 'being entertaining on Youtube', or is it about producing great comics and creating a new fanbase for the future of the hobby?

American comics is an incestuous industry through and through, including people's ideas and influences. Most individuals involved are superhero fanboys. Capeshit is all they were ever exposed to as far as comics go. You can't expect people like that to have a proper understanding of the medium or storytelling.

I don't have anything relevant to add, just vigorous agreement.

Comicsgate books are just a different kind of e-celeb merch. Some e-celebs sell t-shirts or cups. Comicsgate people sell comics through crowdfunding platforms instead. Like all e-celebs, they are heavily reliant on constant shilling and their fanbase's fear of missing out. If people were buying comicsgate comics for content, funding would not be so dependent on constant streams.

Cyberfrog is Ethan's used bathwater. Profitable bathwater, but still bathwater - lukewarm, greyish, and kind of funky smelling, it's greatest value is to sweaty hard-up fanboys who know it's been produced by their favorite camthot.
 
Alright, to move on from the retardation in-thread, here's something that just happened: Liam streamed for half an hour whining about something like not being appreciated for what he's done for people in the community, being backstabbed, the usual sympathy fishing bullshit he does, etc...

Then he breaks down crying and ended the stream and privated it.

Well, something got that orange autism in a bind.

Orange is the new black.

I'm quirking a brow at Savage Dragon being referenced positively given last I checked it devolved into just plain porn with woke ads.

Good or not, it's endured. Haven't read it since the first year. Guess he's holding onto it for the bragging rights.
 
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Cheers mate, Liam's shenanigans should have been put into a thread of his own for quite a while.
Thanks for giving this cow his own green meadow to graze upon.
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Zack is most honest out of the comicsgate aligned people, and a good sport about criticism of his work. At least from what I have seen. For example, he got a lot of shit after putting out his first draft of Jawbreakers. Instead of crying, sperging out, and trying to silence his critics, Zack tried to make use of the feedback he got. With mixed results, unfortunately. He seems to genuinely care about comics too, unlike greedy egoists like Ethan.


American comics is an incestuous industry through and through, including people's ideas and influences. Most individuals involved are superhero fanboys. Capeshit is all they were ever exposed to as far as comics go. You can't expect people like that to have a proper understanding of the medium or storytelling. American comic book pros have very few actual interests and little life experience outside of american comics and mainstream entertainment. That leads to very little fresh influences to draw upon when crafting stories. Due to of all of this, most American comic book stories are bad, generic, predictable rehashes. Problems are solved by punching antagonists. Conflicts revolve around saving people or capturing criminals. Biggest departure you will see are comics emulating bad TV dramas. Almost everything is about superheroes, other people with superpowers, or maybe crime and law enforcement.

If you look at what gets published in Europe and Japan, you will see a very wide variety of genres and stories. You have stories about parents' daily struggles, life as a student, space garbage collectors, medieval grain merchants, lives of scientists and other historical figures, old men making the most out of last years of their lives, chefs, cowboys, knights, gravediggers, cells within human body, and so on, and so on... When you ask foreign creators about their interests, you hear everything from ancient myths to mathematics to sailing. Their entertainment exposure is not limited to domestic comics and mainstream film/TV. They are inspired by foreign comics, literature, theater, history, and much more.
Funny thing is that American comics used to be like this too to a degree. One genre did not dominate everything. Great creators lived interesting lives and have varied interests and experiences to draw upon. For example, Kirby was a soldier in WW2, he was interested in theology, and used both to inspire his wok. Then capeshit fanboys took over. They were only interested in making superhero stories, even at the expense of their long term profits and other genres. That's a big reason why american comics are a wasteland today. The few competent comic book creators in America have either diverse interests and/or lives outside of comics and internet.

Comicsgate is composed of people who know little outside of Marvel and DC as far as comics are concerned. Most people in comicsgate are interested in making money, being e-celebs, and satisfying their twitter addiction. Their life experience is limited to scamming, making videos, and streaming. Ethan is the most adventurous out of them, with his time working for DC and his hobby of sucking off men behind pizza parlors. That's why most comicgate books are dull drivel, no better than what mainstream American comic publishers are putting out.
YBZ has read some indie and European comics back in his broke days where he haunted local libraries.

I remember him doing an indie book some months ago, something about Rasputin or something, and within a day it was sold out from Amazon.
If he goes kayfabe and starts exploring books outside the american mainstream, he may save his channel. I can see him enjoying Metabarons or Slaine.

Iron Sights and his latest IGG are in that vein, but they fail because his audience is capeboyz.
 
I'm not trying to "save comics." The idea makes me physically ill.

I'm trying to make it so that I can do comics. Everyone else in the mainstream can go fuck themselves. I only care about people buying and reading CYBERFROG.

So that means I have to find a way to circumvent the SJW mainstream gatekeepers that pretend I'm The Devil. YouTube and having a good connection with my customer base is a good substitution for the marketing arm of Warner Bros, Disney and the Direct Market. It's free, it's limitless in scope and potential, and it's easy.

If other people want to come along with me, as you see, they might be able to do so, as long as they are an asset to my main purpose.

Which is selling CYBERFROG.

Zack used to love Ray Kroc, and idolize him. I wonder if Ray Kroc ever felt like it was his purpose to "create a new industry" based around people enjoying "good food," or if it was always only about Ray Kroc putting money in his own pocket, and building up McDonalds?
You were never Comicsgate.
 
Good or not, it's endured. Haven't read it since the first year. Guess he's holding onto it for the bragging rights.
You know who also did this?

The guy who financially ruined himself because he wanted to make Baby Geniuses movies forever. It's not enduring if the creator is an insane retard who just wants to go homeless in favor of this.
 
@Fathead I have a question, maybe Nasser could clear it up too. Let's say you wanted to do another print run and put Brutus back in demand or sell copies on eBay. Do you still have to split those profits with Nasser or was the deal just for the money made on the IGG run?

Because if Brutus is going to be a limited print run, there is a chance down the road for it to be valued as a collector's item because of it's rarity.

But then again most CG stuff could be considered limited print runs, so I guess the bigger question would be is there a chance years down the road where a lot of CG stuff could be worth money as collectors items because of their rarity?
 
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