Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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"When I get aroused, I am beyond embarrassed...and here is why. The area surrounding the urethra expands outward by a good 1/2" (12mm) and swells to 3+ it's normal size pushing the skin to the sides. there is a little pre-cum that comes out, it is mildly painful..."

Dear God Almighty, this dude's dick is still trying to rise from beyond the grave. :story: How the fuck do you fail to remove erectile tissue that badly? You can see the literal circumference of where his cock used to be, jutting out like some sort of unholy abomination and still dribbling pre-cum. Did Rumer just remove the flaccid penis and not think to account for the spongy layers underneath that would inevitably fill with blood? And as for the cum, did they remove the prostate at all? No wonder she doesn't want to do revisions, can you even fix a mistake of this caliber?
 
Dear God Almighty, this dude's dick is still trying to rise from beyond the grave. :story: How the fuck do you fail to remove erectile tissue that badly? You can see the literal circumference of where his cock used to be, jutting out like some sort of unholy abomination and still dribbling pre-cum. Did Rumer just remove the flaccid penis and not think to account for the spongy layers underneath that would inevitably fill with blood? And as for the cum, did they remove the prostate at all? No wonder she doesn't want to do revisions, can you even fix a mistake of this caliber?
If you needed any proof these butchers are not only completely unaware of actual anatomy, they don't even care about it, here's your proof. Absolute madness. These fucking creeps are allowed to butcher people. They have a license to do it. Troon politics mean it's totally okay for people completely unaware of basic anatomy to mutilate people, for $$$$$$$ every time, no matter how awful the butchery. Welcome to freedom.
 
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I've noticed most surgeons don't publicise results of their genital surgeries, and assumed it's an unspoken industry agreement to keep a lid on how uniformly appalling the outcomes are.

One notable exception is Marci/Mark Bowers, who has resultss dating back to 2005. I've archived the vast majority of them in one exceptional post for posterity. It's unusual to see one surgeon's work over a longish period, and interesting to note how little the procedures appears to have improved over that time. It's also a lot of fun to read the editorial comments by Bowers' team.

Basic bitch neovagina construction, some testimonials:
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53 Surgery: March 2020, 8 months post-op.
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52 Surgery: August 2020, 3 months post op
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51 Surgery: January 2020, 6 months post-op
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50 3 months post-op: Social transition at 9, early puberty blockade meaning severely limited skin. Surgery utilized extended groin incisions and abdominal pull down, bilateral tunica vaginalis (peritoneum) and artistry. Patient reports nearly 6 inches of depth.
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49 Not often we post a view like this—it fails to show much of the key central structures that so often others fail to provide. But this view after just two days is typical of our clientele.
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48 Surgery: 2019. 3 weeks post op.
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47 Surgery: 2019. Left: 3 days post op. Right: 4.5 months post op
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46 June 2019. Only 2 months after Gender Affirming Vaginoplasty (GAV). Notice nice labial definition, framing of vagina, and decent incisions.
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45 September 2018. 7 Weeks Post Op. Notice that the labia FRAME the vulva with labia minora.
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44 Surgery 2018. Less than 8 weeks postop. Barely visible scars, beautiful labia minora, fat mobilization to both labia majora. Overall, almost flawless. Patient is orgasmic.
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43 Surgery: 2017, 6 months post op
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42 Surgery: 2017, same patient 1 month out showing groin incisions
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41 “These show the groin incisions, making scars non-visible while standing and full framing of the vulva, as in cis-women. There are coloration differences though these photos are less than six months postop.”
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40 “These show the groin incisions, making scars non-visible while standing and full framing of the vulva, as in cis-women. There are coloration differences though these photos are less than six months postop.”
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39 2016 results 8 months out reflecting technical improvements: clitoral hooding perfect, labia minors framing entire vulva, not just urethra and lateral groin scars not even visible. All completed in a single unaltered surgery

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38 Surgery: July 2015, Immediate post op- Notice the true groin incisions, creating scar-free labia
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37 Surgery: June 2015, Immediate Post -op. Note the incisions are closer to the groin crease. True groin incisions are increasingly available. Labia minora definition is more pronounced and surrounds the vagina rather than terminating at the urethra.
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36 Surgery: April 2015, pt is orgasmic, largest dilator to 6 inches depth, very happy with results
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35 Surgery: April 2015, pt is orgasmic, 6 inches of depth
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34 Surgery: December 2014, 6 months post op
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33 Surgery: December 2014, 6 months post op
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32 Surgery: October 2014. PIcture taken just shy of 3 months post opTF NV 32.jpg

31 Surgery: August 2014. This photo was taken 4 months post opTF NV 31.jpg

30 Pt had surgery in 2014. Picture taken 10 weeks postop. Her scars are minimal and well hidden by the pubic hair. They will continue to fade over the course of the year. Clitoris is prominent but acceptably hooded.

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29 November 2013. 3 months after GRS. Scars will continue to fade over the course of the year. Patient has good definition of her labia minora. The clitoris is well hooded.
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28 August 2013 Post GRS. Scars barely visible, thin and reasonably symmetric. Labia minora present. Clitoris not visible without spreading labia but reportedly sensitive.TF NV 28.png

27 Scars are barely visible and hidden in pubic hair. Excellent hooding and definition of the labia minora.
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26 Depth shown here is 6.5″. The clitoris is perfectly hooded with definition of the labia minora.
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25 March 2014. One month postop. Some sloughing of tissue is noted around the clitoris, which is normal at this stage of healing.

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24 December 2013. Close-up 6 week post op. The incisions are barely visible. The clitoris is well hidden under the hood, but still visible.
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23 October 2013. Immediate post-op patient. The catheter (yellow) is in the urethra and draining the bladder. The vaginal packing is in place. The drain is visible in the lower right corner of the picture.
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22 Surgery: Sept 2011. 1 month post-op. This shows a mild suture separation at the base of the vagina. This occurs as stitches dissolve and weaken. No additional therapy is necessary and the area heals rapidly with minimal impact on a final cosmetic appearance.
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21 Surgery: September 2011. Patient is three months post-op. The photo shows how nicely the separated area has healed, and the patient’s excellent cosmetic result overall.
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20 One year post-op. Typical minimal scarring and pinkish mucosa lining labia minora. This is an excellent example of our surgical technique on an African American woman. The pink urethral mucosa lines the labia minor, creating a very natural appearance.
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19 Surgery: March 2011. Photo Taken 6 months post-op.

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18 Surgery: February 2011. Photo Taken 4 months post-op. There is slight labial asymmetry here but the hood and labia minora are gorgeous. Newer updates to Dr. Bowers’ technique extend the labia minora to fully frame the vagina as in natal borne women. At 4 months of healing, scars are barely visible. Full healing occurs at 6-9 months as the colors mellow and swelling of tissues gradually lessen
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17 Surgery: January 2011. Photo Taken 6 months post-op

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17 Surgery: January 2011. Photo Taken 6 months post-op
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15 Surgery: July 2009. Photo Taken 4 months post-op
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14 Surgery: May 2009. Photo Taken 6 months post-op. Well defined labia minora.TF NV 14.jpg

13 Surgery: May 2009. Photo Taken 6 months post-op. Patient reports 7.5 – 8 in. depth with largest dilation stent.
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12 Surgery: June 2008. Photo taken 6 months post-op.

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11 Surgery: March 2008. Photo Taken 18 months post-op
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10 Surgery: October 2007. Photo Taken 7 months post-op.TF NV 10.jpg

09 Surgery: September 2007. Photo Taken 12 months post-op.TF NV 9.jpg

08 Surgery: August 2007. Photo Taken 9 months post-op

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07 Surgery: August 2006. Photo Taken 12 months post-op, patient reports “… how happy I am with what you did for me … everything works great!”TF NV 7.jpg

06 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 12 months post-op.

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05 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 12 months post-op.
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04 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 6 months post-op.
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03 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 6 months post-op.
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02 Surgery: September 2005. Here 3 months post-op — a good one-stage result. Excellent clitoral definition and hooding, full labia majora, well-defined labia minora, excellent sensation. Patient reports orgasmic ability, good urination and is very pleased.
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01 Surgery: July 2005. A more recent example of Dr. Bowers one-stage work. Photo taken approximately one-month post-op.
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Next, revision surgeries, warning: godforsaken images ahead. The hack jobs here are awful even by the standards of the practice. They also show in vivid detail why the male sexual organ will never a decent vaginal facsimile make. Everything's just in the wrong place and it takes an artful surgeon to disguise that at all.

Bowers mostly doesn't name and shame the butchers but he's itching to, and does get a shot in at Rumer on one.
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11 6 month post-op (2020)
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10 Before/After: Original vaginoplasty done in the UK–urethral erectile tissue projected 2 cm out from the body, partially obstructing the vagina. Labia majora were also slightly too large.
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9 [Left/Center] MTF with US surgeon Vaginoplasty plus 3 labiaplasties and skin grafting by a plastic surgeon. Patient has a severe ring of vaginal entry scar tissue narrowing vagina to barely 3/4 inches. Depressed entry sulcus on left. Clitoris huge, grossly exposed, and 2 cm too anterior. Depth 3 inches although patient unconcerned about depth. 2 large dog ears at top of scars bilaterally and mounds of fat. Dimple of stubborn unhealed area below clitoris with granulation tissue. Dr. Bowers performed bilateral scar revisions removing ‘dog ears’, bilateral fat transfers to depressed areas of vulva, release of entry scar banding, hoodplasty and clitoroplasty. Depth not addressed per patient request.
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8 [L] GAV surgeon: Rumer 2015. No depth (graft necrosis, prolapse, bladder injury), infected perineal abscess/sinus draining 2 years later. Clitoris grossly too anterior and rightward. Large mounded labia majora. No Clitoral hooding. Urethra grossly too high. Clitoral adhesions. Patient reports minimal Clitoral sensation. [R] Labiaplasty/urethroplasty/excision of abscess tract: Bowers May 2018
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7 Original GAV not perform by Dr. Bowers. Before and after photos of Labiaplasty, July 2017
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6 Local GAV result. No clitoris, 2 cm right deviated urethra, poor scarring, gross asymmetry. Pre and Post-Op 2016
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5 2014: Revision of a GAV surgery not performed by Dr Bowers. Note the absence of a clitoral hood after the original surgery. This was corrected during the revision along with the creation of labia minora and removal of the erectile tissue anterior to the vagina and relocation of the urethra.
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4 GAV disaster (not performed by Dr Bowers). Note the direction of the catheter preop that is pointing straight up. This was corrected along with creating of labia minora and clitoral hooding.
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3 Initial GAV not performed by Dr. Bowers
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2 Initial GAV not performed by Dr. Bowers, who created labia minora and better framing of the vagina.
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1 Before/After Dec 2016
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Next, the mega clits/microdot dicks.
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1 Simple Meta + Testicular Implants July 2018 Before/After
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2 Simple Meta July 2018 Before/After
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3 Simple metoidioplasty, 1 year post op
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4 Simple metoidioplasty with scrotoplasty 1 year post-op 2016
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5 Simple metoidioplasty Before/After Nov 2016
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6 Simple Metoidioplasty 2016
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7 Simple metoidioplasty 2014
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8 Simple metoidioplasty 2013
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9 Simple metoidioplasty 2013
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10 Simple Metoidioplasty (May 2008). Shown here approximately two months post-op. Large image taken during arousal.
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11 Metoidioplasty (2003). Exact surgery date and date of photo unknown, submitted October 2005
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The best I can understand Ring Metoidioplasty allows for peeing standing up. Bowers isn't doing them at the moment for reasons unknown:

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Lol at this 'man's' review.
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6 July 2016 Ring Metoidioplasty Immediate Post-op Results
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5 Metoidioplasty and Testicle Implants (Sept 2008). Patient reports minor adhesion of scrotal skin on left testicle.
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4 Ring meta pre/post
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3 Ring metoidioplasty 2014. Pictures taken before, during and after procedure. The penis is wrapped in gauze postoperatively. Two catheters are left in place: one through the penis, and one suprapubic catheter that is used to drain the bladder right after surgery.
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2 Oct 2015 Ring Meta with Vaginectomy showing strong urine stream
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1 Ring metoidioplasty Nov 2016
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I find Bowers' explanation of a vaginectomy to be enlightening, particularly the fact that it isn't actually excised but rather damaged and sewn up.
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On another note, does anyone here have any information about a surgeon named Van de Ven who does FFS on trans women and supposedly had a patient die as a consequence of the procedure?

The dead patient is new but he was posted on this thread about three and a half months ago here and here. Apparently the good doctor appears in Internet threads to defend himself (or did until he got banned from sites like RealSelf) but his SEO is still solid.

Reddit links:

Botched FFS where the radiologist for the follow-up can't even figure out what the guy was trying to do

Another dissatisfied customer

And another one

Caused nerve damage to a patient and his first priority was to haggle over his review on a "rate your doctor" website.

I don't think he really stands out here, botched FFS is nowhere near as horrifying as "successful" SRS and many SRS doctors seem to have the same attitude + apparent admiration for Dr. Mengele.

And no there is not anything about a dead patient or medical board discipline that I could find. Be careful with the wording here: The poster didn't say his friend died from the procedure, only that he died - it could just have easily have been suicide from unsatisfactory results or something equally tangentially related.
 
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The dead patient is new but he was posted on this thread about three and a half months ago here and here. Apparently the good doctor appears in Internet threads to defend himself (or did until he got banned from sites like RealSelf) but his SEO is still solid.

Reddit links:

Botched FFS where the radiologist for the follow-up can't even figure out what the guy was trying to do

Another dissatisfied customer

And another one

Caused nerve damage to a patient and his first priority was to haggle over his review on a "rate your doctor" website.

I don't think he really stands out here, botched FFS is nowhere near as horrifying as "successful" SRS and many SRS doctors seem to have the same attitude + apparent admiration for Dr. Mengele.

And no there is not anything about a dead patient or medical board discipline that I could find. Be careful with the wording here: The poster didn't say his friend died from the procedure, only that he died - it could just have easily have been suicide from unsatisfactory results or something equally tangentially related.
Not to PL but I’ve had some intensive jaw and other oral surgeries that require hardware/screws in there so those results are incredibly horrible. How did the doctor fuck up the placement so bad? The short answer is probably that he’s not as knowledgeable about that. Oral and maxilofacial surgeons are an entire field in themselves. Even many dentists refer people to them for many surgeries they aren’t equipped to perform.
 
I've noticed most surgeons don't publicise results of their genital surgeries, and assumed it's an unspoken industry agreement to keep a lid on how uniformly appalling the outcomes are.

One notable exception is Marci/Mark Bowers, who has resultss dating back to 2005. I've archived the vast majority of them in one exceptional post for posterity. It's unusual to see one surgeon's work over a longish period, and interesting to note how little the procedures appears to have improved over that time. It's also a lot of fun to read the editorial comments by Bowers' team.

Basic bitch neovagina construction, some testimonials:
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Testimonials archive

53 Surgery: March 2020, 8 months post-op.
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52 Surgery: August 2020, 3 months post op
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51 Surgery: January 2020, 6 months post-op
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50 3 months post-op: Social transition at 9, early puberty blockade meaning severely limited skin. Surgery utilized extended groin incisions and abdominal pull down, bilateral tunica vaginalis (peritoneum) and artistry. Patient reports nearly 6 inches of depth.
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49 Not often we post a view like this—it fails to show much of the key central structures that so often others fail to provide. But this view after just two days is typical of our clientele.
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48 Surgery: 2019. 3 weeks post op.
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47 Surgery: 2019. Left: 3 days post op. Right: 4.5 months post op
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46 June 2019. Only 2 months after Gender Affirming Vaginoplasty (GAV). Notice nice labial definition, framing of vagina, and decent incisions.
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45 September 2018. 7 Weeks Post Op. Notice that the labia FRAME the vulva with labia minora.
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44 Surgery 2018. Less than 8 weeks postop. Barely visible scars, beautiful labia minora, fat mobilization to both labia majora. Overall, almost flawless. Patient is orgasmic.
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43 Surgery: 2017, 6 months post op
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42 Surgery: 2017, same patient 1 month out showing groin incisions
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41 “These show the groin incisions, making scars non-visible while standing and full framing of the vulva, as in cis-women. There are coloration differences though these photos are less than six months postop.”
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40 “These show the groin incisions, making scars non-visible while standing and full framing of the vulva, as in cis-women. There are coloration differences though these photos are less than six months postop.”
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39 2016 results 8 months out reflecting technical improvements: clitoral hooding perfect, labia minors framing entire vulva, not just urethra and lateral groin scars not even visible. All completed in a single unaltered surgery

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38 Surgery: July 2015, Immediate post op- Notice the true groin incisions, creating scar-free labia
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37 Surgery: June 2015, Immediate Post -op. Note the incisions are closer to the groin crease. True groin incisions are increasingly available. Labia minora definition is more pronounced and surrounds the vagina rather than terminating at the urethra.
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36 Surgery: April 2015, pt is orgasmic, largest dilator to 6 inches depth, very happy with results
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35 Surgery: April 2015, pt is orgasmic, 6 inches of depth
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34 Surgery: December 2014, 6 months post op
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33 Surgery: December 2014, 6 months post op
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32 Surgery: October 2014. PIcture taken just shy of 3 months post opView attachment 1828235

31 Surgery: August 2014. This photo was taken 4 months post opView attachment 1828238

30 Pt had surgery in 2014. Picture taken 10 weeks postop. Her scars are minimal and well hidden by the pubic hair. They will continue to fade over the course of the year. Clitoris is prominent but acceptably hooded.

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29 November 2013. 3 months after GRS. Scars will continue to fade over the course of the year. Patient has good definition of her labia minora. The clitoris is well hooded.
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28 August 2013 Post GRS. Scars barely visible, thin and reasonably symmetric. Labia minora present. Clitoris not visible without spreading labia but reportedly sensitive.View attachment 1828241

27 Scars are barely visible and hidden in pubic hair. Excellent hooding and definition of the labia minora.
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26 Depth shown here is 6.5″. The clitoris is perfectly hooded with definition of the labia minora.
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25 March 2014. One month postop. Some sloughing of tissue is noted around the clitoris, which is normal at this stage of healing.

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24 December 2013. Close-up 6 week post op. The incisions are barely visible. The clitoris is well hidden under the hood, but still visible.
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23 October 2013. Immediate post-op patient. The catheter (yellow) is in the urethra and draining the bladder. The vaginal packing is in place. The drain is visible in the lower right corner of the picture.
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22 Surgery: Sept 2011. 1 month post-op. This shows a mild suture separation at the base of the vagina. This occurs as stitches dissolve and weaken. No additional therapy is necessary and the area heals rapidly with minimal impact on a final cosmetic appearance.
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21 Surgery: September 2011. Patient is three months post-op. The photo shows how nicely the separated area has healed, and the patient’s excellent cosmetic result overall.
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20 One year post-op. Typical minimal scarring and pinkish mucosa lining labia minora. This is an excellent example of our surgical technique on an African American woman. The pink urethral mucosa lines the labia minor, creating a very natural appearance.
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19 Surgery: March 2011. Photo Taken 6 months post-op.

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18 Surgery: February 2011. Photo Taken 4 months post-op. There is slight labial asymmetry here but the hood and labia minora are gorgeous. Newer updates to Dr. Bowers’ technique extend the labia minora to fully frame the vagina as in natal borne women. At 4 months of healing, scars are barely visible. Full healing occurs at 6-9 months as the colors mellow and swelling of tissues gradually lessen
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17 Surgery: January 2011. Photo Taken 6 months post-op

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17 Surgery: January 2011. Photo Taken 6 months post-op
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15 Surgery: July 2009. Photo Taken 4 months post-op
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14 Surgery: May 2009. Photo Taken 6 months post-op. Well defined labia minora.View attachment 1828259

13 Surgery: May 2009. Photo Taken 6 months post-op. Patient reports 7.5 – 8 in. depth with largest dilation stent.
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12 Surgery: June 2008. Photo taken 6 months post-op.

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11 Surgery: March 2008. Photo Taken 18 months post-op
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10 Surgery: October 2007. Photo Taken 7 months post-op.View attachment 1828263

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08 Surgery: August 2007. Photo Taken 9 months post-op

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07 Surgery: August 2006. Photo Taken 12 months post-op, patient reports “… how happy I am with what you did for me … everything works great!”View attachment 1828266

06 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 12 months post-op.

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05 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 12 months post-op.
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04 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 6 months post-op.
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03 Surgery: May 2006. Photo Taken 6 months post-op.
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02 Surgery: September 2005. Here 3 months post-op — a good one-stage result. Excellent clitoral definition and hooding, full labia majora, well-defined labia minora, excellent sensation. Patient reports orgasmic ability, good urination and is very pleased.
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01 Surgery: July 2005. A more recent example of Dr. Bowers one-stage work. Photo taken approximately one-month post-op.
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https://archive.md/wip/fl8ps

Next, revision surgeries, warning: godforsaken images ahead. The hack jobs here are awful even by the standards of the practice. They also show in vivid detail why the male sexual organ will never a decent vaginal facsimile make. Everything's just in the wrong place and it takes an artful surgeon to disguise that at all.

Bowers mostly doesn't name and shame the butchers but he's itching to, and does get a shot in at Rumer on one.
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11 6 month post-op (2020)
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10 Before/After: Original vaginoplasty done in the UK–urethral erectile tissue projected 2 cm out from the body, partially obstructing the vagina. Labia majora were also slightly too large.
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9 [Left/Center] MTF with US surgeon Vaginoplasty plus 3 labiaplasties and skin grafting by a plastic surgeon. Patient has a severe ring of vaginal entry scar tissue narrowing vagina to barely 3/4 inches. Depressed entry sulcus on left. Clitoris huge, grossly exposed, and 2 cm too anterior. Depth 3 inches although patient unconcerned about depth. 2 large dog ears at top of scars bilaterally and mounds of fat. Dimple of stubborn unhealed area below clitoris with granulation tissue. Dr. Bowers performed bilateral scar revisions removing ‘dog ears’, bilateral fat transfers to depressed areas of vulva, release of entry scar banding, hoodplasty and clitoroplasty. Depth not addressed per patient request.
8 [L] GAV surgeon: Rumer 2015. No depth (graft necrosis, prolapse, bladder injury), infected perineal abscess/sinus draining 2 years later. Clitoris grossly too anterior and rightward. Large mounded labia majora. No Clitoral hooding. Urethra grossly too high. Clitoral adhesions. Patient reports minimal Clitoral sensation. [R] Labiaplasty/urethroplasty/excision of abscess tract: Bowers May 2018
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7 Original GAV not perform by Dr. Bowers. Before and after photos of Labiaplasty, July 2017
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6 Local GAV result. No clitoris, 2 cm right deviated urethra, poor scarring, gross asymmetry. Pre and Post-Op 2016
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5 2014: Revision of a GAV surgery not performed by Dr Bowers. Note the absence of a clitoral hood after the original surgery. This was corrected during the revision along with the creation of labia minora and removal of the erectile tissue anterior to the vagina and relocation of the urethra.
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4 GAV disaster (not performed by Dr Bowers). Note the direction of the catheter preop that is pointing straight up. This was corrected along with creating of labia minora and clitoral hooding.
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3 Initial GAV not performed by Dr. Bowers
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2 Initial GAV not performed by Dr. Bowers, who created labia minora and better framing of the vagina.
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1 Before/After Dec 2016
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1 Simple Meta + Testicular Implants July 2018 Before/After
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2 Simple Meta July 2018 Before/After
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3 Simple metoidioplasty, 1 year post op
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4 Simple metoidioplasty with scrotoplasty 1 year post-op 2016
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5 Simple metoidioplasty Before/After Nov 2016
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6 Simple Metoidioplasty 2016
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7 Simple metoidioplasty 2014
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8 Simple metoidioplasty 2013
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9 Simple metoidioplasty 2013
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10 Simple Metoidioplasty (May 2008). Shown here approximately two months post-op. Large image taken during arousal.
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11 Metoidioplasty (2003). Exact surgery date and date of photo unknown, submitted October 2005
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The best I can understand Ring Metoidioplasty allows for peeing standing up. Bowers isn't doing them at the moment for reasons unknown:

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Lol at this 'man's' review.
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6 July 2016 Ring Metoidioplasty Immediate Post-op Results
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5 Metoidioplasty and Testicle Implants (Sept 2008). Patient reports minor adhesion of scrotal skin on left testicle.
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4 Ring meta pre/post
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3 Ring metoidioplasty 2014. Pictures taken before, during and after procedure. The penis is wrapped in gauze postoperatively. Two catheters are left in place: one through the penis, and one suprapubic catheter that is used to drain the bladder right after surgery.
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2 Oct 2015 Ring Meta with Vaginectomy showing strong urine stream
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1 Ring metoidioplasty Nov 2016
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I find Bowers' explanation of a vaginectomy to be enlightening, particularly the fact that it isn't actually excised but rather damaged and sewn up.
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What is with the hairs everywhere
 
He's definitely sticking it in the wrong hole. If you look at the before pics in the older thread, that's a wound that needs to be sewn up.

See that space at the bottom?
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inb4 >the whole thing is a wound

Edit: Also, do FTMs go to urologists after surgery to feel validated?
 
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The short answer is probably that he’s not as knowledgeable about that. Oral and maxilofacial surgeons are an entire field in themselves. Even many dentists refer people to them for many surgeries they aren’t equipped to perform.
Van de Ven claims to be an oral and maxilofacial surgeon on his website though, and he claims to have degrees in dentistry, medicine and maxillofacial surgery. So it's probably just good old incompetence or not caring.
https://2pass.clinic/en/about-us/our-team/dr-bart-van-de-ven
Dr Bart van de Ven, Oral- and Maxillofacial Surgeon, specialized in Facial Feminization Surgery for 10 years. (...) For his specialization, he worked in the department for oral and maxillo-facial surgery at the Utrecht academic hospital for two years, in general surgery in Arnhem and Utrecht (Diakonessenhuis) for three years, spent 8 months working in plastic and reconstructive surgery and the Maastricht academic hospital, and 2 years in the Mund, Kiefer und plastische Gesichtschirurgie (oral, maxillo-facial and plastic facial surgery) department at the Academic hospital in Aachen, Germany.
As far as I know those hospitals are reputable, especially the Utrecht hospitals. So I guess he went butcher when he went into private practice.

Hilariously, elsewhere on the website it is stated
A patient who is not willing to accept imperfections should not have facial feminization surgery.
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