Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[White Devil]

I'm not going looking at this point.


The Bounty Hunter Wars Trilogy by KW Jeters takes place directly after the barge. It details how Fett survived. He was discovered in the sand, near death by Neelah, a dancer from Jabba's palace. She nursed him back to health.

I think I had only read Hard Merchandise out of that trilogy and even then it was in the 90s so over 20 years ago. After I finish the KOTOR comics I'll have to give those a read because I know I have the ebooks.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

If anyone is looking for good EU material to dive into, most of the Old Republic books are really good. Revan, Darth Bane Trilogy, Deceived, etc.

But one Old Republic book Annihilation, is VERY good and massively underrated. I always recommend it to people.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Someone saying good things about the SWTOR novels? Well, that's something I don't see everyday.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Someone saying good things about the SWTOR novels? Well, that's something I don't see everyday.

Do people not like them? I thought they were mostly good, lol.

 

[Cactuar King]

I have no idea what weird creature you're referring to. I've never watched Clone Wars.

I'm not going looking at this point.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Weird thing is those aren't even robotic, its just some garbage he taped together and moved around with the Force.

As I said, junk metal and RAAAAAAAGE.

As far as I know in regards to loretism, Zabraks were related to humans, apparently having been artificially bred from them by the Rakata for whatever reasons.

Of all the "just so" stories in Star Wars, "the Rakata did it" is probably the least-interesting (kind of like the Rakata themselves, in the "ancient precursor races" sweepstakes).

I think I had only read Hard Merchandise out of that trilogy and even then it was in the 90s so over 20 years ago. After I finish the KOTOR comics I'll have to give those a read because I know I have the ebooks.

I'd say that the trilogy is worth a re-read. It's a very effective depiction (to the best of my recollection) of the coldly methodical Boba Fett from ESB, and the plot is engagingly twisted.

Someone saying good things about the SWTOR novels? Well, that's something I don't see everyday.

Fatal Alliance is great.

Do people not like them? I thought they were mostly good, lol.

Halfway through Revan ATM and it seems pretty good so far.

 

[Creep3r]

The Rakata were only involved in the birth of the Zabrak and the Esh-kha though with the rest being dubious claims (Jawas and Tuskens were more of an indirect thing due to fucking up Tatooine), so they really didn't have much of a role in being precursors to anyone, just a bunch of assholes who conquered shit and made life miserable for everyone. The real shocker is finding out what the Rakata eventually devolved into.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

The Rakata were only involved in the birth of the Zabrak and the Esh-kha though with the rest being dubious claims (Jawas and Tuskens were more of an indirect thing due to fucking up Tatooine)...

According to Dark Horse's Dawn of the Jedi, it seems like they also created the first lightsabers (called "Forcesabers"), and a few other things I can't remember off the top of my head.

...so they really didn't have much of a role in being precursors to anyone, just a bunch of assholes who conquered shit and made life miserable for everyone.

They had a role as spiritual precursors to the Sith, in that respect.

The real shocker is finding out what the Rakata eventually devolved into.

As ancient precursor races go, though, they're depressingly uninspired: a bunch of brown coneheads with derpy, off-set eyes (thus looking about as threatening as Jar-Jar Binks despite their jagged teeth) and no sexual dimorphism, wearing nondescript tunics and eschewing pants, living, travelling and worshipping in variously-sized copies of the Star Forge.

Oh and they're all evil for the sake of being evil and they frequently eat their slaves and even each other. Because they're evil (and because they're BioWare's baby, you almost can't visit visit an ancient site in TOR without tripping over a Rakata temple, prison or other installation).

 

[Ghostse]

Can you believe they didn't have one goddamn scene with Luke, Leia, and Han all together? And now Carrie Fisher sleeps with the fishes. Jar Jar Abrams and that twat they got in charge over there should never be allowed to make another movie again.

As I posted before:
While it is good and right to blame Disney and JarJar for turning all the OT into a bunch of losers who watched their dreams crumble to dust before their eyes, don't forget that Lucas had 15 fucking years pre-episode one, and a further 13 years before he sold to the Rat, to give us something besides the Holiday Special with the original cast, with the bonus they'd have been young enough they weren't eating at the Golden Seniors buffet, and did not do this out of greed.

Timeline:
- Kenner rakes Lucas over the coals on toy royalties as long as they give him $10,000 in continuence.
- After ROTJ, Lucas decides to 'cool the franchise'.
- Kenner is bought by Hasbro and in 1997, Kenner (now Hasbro) neglects to send the check, their sweetheart licensing deal on Starwars Toys expires
- 1999 the Phantom Menace comes out, with Habro needing to fight Mattel for the toy license, letting Lucas keep a greater cut of the merch

(Which to be clear: I don't think taking a break from Star Wars movies break was a bad idea (though he put out Ewoks movies which I believe were exempt from the Kenner license), and I don't think it was wrong for him to spent time with his kids given he'd spent about a decade shooting the films.... the minute the license deal is expired by negligence on the part of hasbro is the minute he decides its time to make movies again)

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Do people not like them? I thought they were mostly good, lol.

Everywhere I go online, I find only contempt, ire, and bloody tears regarding SWTOR and its accompanying novels, particularly Drew Karpyshyn's Revan.

Of course, a lot of these same people warned me that the Yuuzhan Vong were the worst antagonist force introduced to Star Wars, assured me that Timothy Zahn can do no wrong as an author, and declared that LOTF was the worst thing to be inflicted on humanity since the Nanking Massacre.

So I tend to take the "public wisdom" found within the EU readerbase with a healthy dose of salt.

 

[ZMOT]

So I tend to take the "public wisdom" found within the EU readerbase with a healthy dose of salt.

apples and oranges. old EU mainly came from books, which even by mainstream standards is considered more nerdy. meanwhile KOTOR was a videogame by a company at the height of it's popularity, so not only more known among SW fans but the general audience. KOTOR 2 could be considered even more beloved building on that.
along comes TOR trying to jump onto the WoW hypetrain (means even more normies, considering WoW's popularity), which among a myriad of other issues not limited to star wars, turns said beloved protagonist into a mid-level boss you kill for his pants, and karpyshyn retconning kotor 2 (as I've heard, never read it). TOR later "fixed" it apparently making revan a proper raid boss, but that was long after I quit and stopped following that wreck.

point is different people are pissed about different things, and the only thing they have in common is that they're pissed (justified or not, which is a whole other discussion).

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Rakatans were actually a pretty good fit for the themes of Star Wars as a whole. Since much of SW is based around contemporary western themes, it only suits them that a precursor race would be far less civilized from a western sense and resemble ancient empires like the Babylonians, Carthaginians, or the Aztecs. The whole story of the Rakatans fit the narrative of the Biblical Tower of Babel where a progenitor civilization created a great monument that eventually led to their destruction. In this case, the Star Forge was the apex of their empire, but it also corrupted them from within, causing them to lust after its power and fight over it, since it was a tool of the Dark Side that fed off the darkness and hatred of their species. It then led to them killing each other, leaving them vulnerable to a strike by the slave species who used a plague that killed most of them and left the survivors numb to the Force.

If anything, at least they aren't Mary Sues. They were powerful, sure, but unlike certain characters from the SW universe, the authors didn't turn them into creator's pets that were elevated as noble and perfect, and at least they had flaws that made them vulnerable. In this case, their barbarism and ego destroyed them. If they had their heads on straight, their Force-powered tech could have been the seed of an empire that could have lasted forever, but their own arrogance and vanity made that impossible. Which is, of course, another classic SW lesson on how vices like pride and vanity will bite you in the ass.

Everywhere I go online, I find only contempt, ire, and bloody tears regarding SWTOR and its accompanying novels, particularly Drew Karpyshyn's Revan.

Of course, a lot of these same people warned me that the Yuuzhan Vong were the worst antagonist force introduced to Star Wars, assured me that Timothy Zahn can do no wrong as an author, and declared that LOTF was the worst thing to be inflicted on humanity since the Nanking Massacre.

So I tend to take the "public wisdom" found within the EU readerbase with a healthy dose of salt.

If you're invested in the Revan character, you'll hate SWTOR's treatment of him, especially the Revan novel. But if you're not that invested (or you have your own headcannon on Revan that isn't what the SWTOR writers made) then SWTOR as a whole isn't so bad.

apples and oranges. old EU mainly came from books, which even by mainstream standards is considered more nerdy. meanwhile KOTOR was a videogame by a company at the height of it's popularity, so not only more known among SW fans but the general audience. KOTOR 2 could be considered even more beloved building on that.
along comes TOR trying to jump onto the WoW hypetrain back then (means even more normies), which among a myriad of other issues not limited to star wars, turns said beloved protagonist into a mid-level boss you kill for his pants, and karpyshyn retconning kotor 2 (as I've heard, never read it). TOR later "fixed" it apparently making revan a proper raid boss, but that was long after I quit and stopped following that wreck.

point is different people are pissed about different things, and the only thing they have in common is that they're pissed (justified or not, which is a whole other discussion).

It kind of is justified, considering they just took a beloved character (Revan) and killed him in the most asinine way possible. If that was what they were going to do, killing off Revan during the events of the Revan novel would have been better, provided that his death did something to weaken the Sith in the long run. That, or if they were going to have him in the game, have him be a questgiver for the Republic players and a recurring boss character for high-level Imperial players. At least show some respect to the character who is so loved by many.

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

Everywhere I go online, I find only contempt, ire, and bloody tears regarding SWTOR and its accompanying novels, particularly Drew Karpyshyn's Revan.

Of course, a lot of these same people warned me that the Yuuzhan Vong were the worst antagonist force introduced to Star Wars, assured me that Timothy Zahn can do no wrong as an author, and declared that LOTF was the worst thing to be inflicted on humanity since the Nanking Massacre.

So I tend to take the "public wisdom" found within the EU readerbase with a healthy dose of salt.

I read Revan almost a decade ago when it had just come out, so my memory of it may be a little fuzzy. That said, it's not really a bad book imo, most of its problems stem from the way it retcons some aspects of KoTOR II and because of Karpyshin having to tie it all up to TORtanic.

Spoiler: Book sperging with spoilers

From what I can remember, I was pretty bummed to find a large part of the book is spent through the perspective of characters other than Revan (namely Scourge - a TOR companion -, The Exile and Darth Nyriss - a Sith councilwoman). The book doesn't make good use of the Exile, she's given no personality and her role could've been fulfilled by literally any Jedi character. Even worse, her unique/Nihilus-like Force power is never brought up or used in any way. The Scourge and Nyriss parts are decent, it's just I didn't care much for TOR's characters and felt they hijacked too many pages that could've been better spent on the Exile or, you know, the title character himself. The Nyriss chapters mostly provide exposition for Vitiate.

Most of KoTOR I's supporting characters aren't really expanded upon (save for Carth, Bastilla and Canderous) and II's cast is never even mentioned if I recall. The Canderous part is rather good and provides some exposition for how he became Mandalore.

I don't remember much more about it (might actually give it a reread after ~10 years), but while it's no Bane Trilogy, the book is worth a read I'd say.

 

[White Devil]

TORtanic still remains the only video game I've played where the fucking beta had more content and was more fun than the actual launch product. That game was such a fucking disaster and making it a WoW themepark clone did no favors for it. The new-ness of fully voice acted quest givers wore off after first play through and after that you're just spacebarring though it all anyway so that was a huge waste of money. The customization for your character in a world as expansive as Star Wars was shitty, lightsaber nerf bats AGAIN, stupid romance subplots, etc.

To this day, the only game I regret preordering as much as TORtanic is MechWarrior Online so that ought to tell you just how bad both of them are. How could you have trailers for a game be so goddamn awesome and epic and yet the game itself be so milquetoast and disappointing?

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Everywhere I go online, I find only contempt, ire, and bloody tears regarding SWTOR and its accompanying novels, particularly Drew Karpyshyn's Revan.

Of course, a lot of these same people warned me that the Yuuzhan Vong were the worst antagonist force introduced to Star Wars, assured me that Timothy Zahn can do no wrong as an author, and declared that LOTF was the worst thing to be inflicted on humanity since the Nanking Massacre.

So I tend to take the "public wisdom" found within the EU readerbase with a healthy dose of salt.

Revan is probably the weakest of the Old Republic books, but its also written as kind of a companion piece to the KOTOR games, so it covers the events between the games. If it feels incomplete, that's why. But the rest of them though (Darth Bane, Deceived, Annihilation, etc) are quite f'ing good. Generally, I find the Old Republic material for Star Wars to be pretty good. Its an Era of the Star Wars timeline that is ripe for material and (thankfully) hasn't been made into a shitty movie to ruin it for me.

And maybe Star Wars fans get particular about what era or what kind of EU books they like. I personally LOVED The Vong as they were a much needed breath of fresh air for Star Wars, and their threat also forced an alliance between the New Republic and what was left of the Imperial Forces to form an alliance which, again, was a breath of fresh air.

 

[Puddleduck]

I had a look at the High Republic vid, and I love the fact the comments are filled with people spamming about Luke, Mando, and Cara Dune

Admittedly I didn't look very hard, but I couldn't see any sincere comments on there which actually related to the video's content.

 

[Moff Ensign]

The Revan book's segments with Canderous and Revan are actually pretty kino, and the rest isn't too terrible either
The book's worst sin is picking a canon sex/race/name for the two main KOTOR characters

 

[Creep3r]

As ancient precursor races go, though, they're depressingly uninspired: a bunch of brown coneheads with derpy, off-set eyes (thus looking about as threatening as Jar-Jar Binks

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Like I said before, there's a reason for that:

The real shocker is finding out what the Rakata eventually devolved into.

And I'm not talking about Flesh Eaters.

Spoiler

The Flesh Raiders were simply the devolved forms of the mutant warrior caste rather than the fate for all Rakata. The Ongree (another bunch of ugly stalk-eyed amphibians) also shared a genetic history with the Rakata according to earlier entries of SE.

The Revan book's segments with Canderous and Revan are actually pretty kino, and the rest isn't too terrible either
The book's worst sin is picking a canon sex/race/name for the two main KOTOR characters

This in a nutshell. The book isn't bad, at least not for me, but the more glaring and obvious problems though show themselves when they try to cement the Exile's character and history, resulting in even more inconsistencies that don't match up with what can happen, and even some with Revan. Also as much as I didn't mind Revan's changes compared to the Exile's, he was in a way a very personal character for a lot of fans, a self-insert, like say Fallout's Vault Dwellers for comparison among many other RPG characters, so naturally seeing him be completely different or only slightly similar to how you played him is gonna put people off no matter what, and it wasn't probably for the best. The first half of the book is lit at least.

 

[Creep3r]

Some other leakfag is claiming the KOTOR remake may not be an actual remake, but simply a port to modern consoles.

Oh well, at least it won't get wokeified or Disneyfied if that's the case.

In other not so bad news...

1: Love for Gina Carano is trending a bit and some are demanding she not be fired regardless of opinions.

2: Some are trying to get a sequel trilogy hashtag going in protest of the lack of sequel toys in Hasbro's latest release.

3: Ewan McGregor (in a web charity show by some guy called Izzard) revealed that Kenobi hasn't begun shooting (yet they gave priority to that shitty RO show?) and may not begin shooting until later Spring. Shooting will be in LA.

4: Disney has a new EVP for "physical productions":

Lucasfilm Names Momita SenGupta As New EVP Physical Production

EXCLUSIVE: Momita “Mo” SenGupta has joined Lucasfilm as EVP Physical Production. SenGupta recently served as the EVP of Production at Viacom and VP of Production at Netflix where she oversaw all ph…

deadline.com

 

[The Valeyard]

Some other leakfag is claiming the KOTOR remake may not be an actual remake, but simply a port to modern consoles.

Oh well, at least it won't get wokeified or Disneyfied if that's the case.

If the PS4 and Nintendo Switch versions of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy are any indication, expect this to be a straight port with nothing done to bring the game’s visuals closer to modern standards.

3: Ewan McGregor (in a web charity show by some guy called Izzard) revealed that Kenobi hasn't begun shooting (yet they gave priority to that shitty RO show?) and may not begin shooting until later Spring. Shooting will be in LA.

The few people I’ve talked to about Andor, were looking forward to it because of K2-SO who according to his voice actor won’t be appearing.