Off-Topic Medical Sperging - Physical and Mental Health Speculation. "You always play psychologist with us!"

[Pineapple Fox]

In an effort to contain congestion, please use this thread to post your medical related sperging about the one and only, Poutine Queen.

 

[Pepper Jack]

my diagnosis is FAT

 

[lottalove]

Chantal's list of ailments by user @Angel Dust

 

[Revo]

There are only 3-4 solutions about this: eat healthy and less food/do not eat anything, drink water and exercise your body inside/outside of your house.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

She's just as good as a transwoman now b/c no uterus.
Does that count?

 

[I call shenanigans]

THC use should be fine, it's how she takes it that would be the issue. (THC is legal in Canada and even some "prescriptions" of weed have higher THC than the retail stuff not just CBD. )

It won't be fine in a weightloss surgery program even if it is legal in Canada. The issue isn't whether she vaped it or ingests it...the issue is that she uses it. That's not okay in a WLS program. There are all kinds of reasons surgeons come up with for why certain things or behaviours are exclusions to surgery, from physical issues that might result (e.g pouch damage) to pyschological reasons (e.g transfer addiction which is a huge issue after WLS). I wasn't being morally judgemental when I said it was an issue for her, I was just being pragmatic by stating it's an exclusion...and one she'll be tested for should she even make it to a point beyond the initial screening of referrals.

Another reason I don't think she'll be a candidate for surgery, especially not laparoscopically is the size of her gut. The instruments won't be long enough to get through all that fat. The distance from the outside of her gut to where her enlarged liver sits would be huge. If by a chance in a million that she was approved for surgery, it'd be an open surgery.

Surgeons don't plan open surgeries for weightloss anymore, unless they are revisional or cancer surgeries...even then they'll try the laprascopic route before converting. If she were to have surgery it will be laprascopic unless the surgeon runs into other issues (e.g. adhesions from prior abdominal surgeries) that require conversion to open surgery. If they consider her abdomen too big for the equipment they have, they'll just make weightloss a precondition. Sure her male pattern visceral fat is a very real consideration for surgeons, which is why they won't even attempt her surgery until she gets herself into a state where they can operate laprascopically. These days surgeons have the option to use an Obera Balloon if a patient needs desperate intervention but is too unhealthy still for WLS. They generally don't publicise it because it's very expensive and a short term fix only, but it is an option that can be safely utilised on patients whose visceral fat prevents laprascopic techniques being used, or those whose current state of health makes general anesthesia too risky.

 

[I call shenanigans]

I thought both her and Amber had open hysterectomies and iirc amber said it was because of her weight. Yes.....agree the balloon could be an option.

Hysterectomies aren't WLS, especially hysterectomies done by oncologists for suspected or known cancers. Unless oncologists have access to a da Vinci robot, cancer hysterectomies are nearly always open surgeries, and in the morbidly obese the open incision will be vertical due to the pannus getting in the way of where the oncologist needs to be. To perform a hysterectomy using other techniques requires positioning the patient in the trendelburg position (feet up, head down) which is too dangerous in the super morbidly obese. They are far more complicated surgeries than WLS which, despite what many think, is a pretty minor surgery when performed laprascopically. The death rate for WLS is actually very low. The real risk involved is the standard risks from general anesthesia. Hysterectomies are also lower abdominal surgeries whereas as WLS are Upper GI...so one is below the naval while the other us under the ribs.

Edit: May or may not be worth mentioning here that ALR didn't have her hysterectomy under a general anaesthesia, her surgeon did it using an epidural block (I.e. Spinal block as is used for C-sections). She alluded to this in one of her post-op videos where she was complaining about her back pain from the epidural.

Edit to add

I doubt the balloon would help (or the surgery, really). It's not as if feeling uncomfortably full slows her down

Oh it wouldn't help her, but it wouldn't kill her either. Just a short conscious sedation and an endoscopy. She'd hate it, but the only damage she could do to herself is to vomit up everything she stuffs herself with. It can be removed as quickly and as easily as it can be inserted, and would teach her what life after WLS would really be like...without risk.

 

[Randy Lahey]

Unless her gunts get sliced off in a freak accident she’ll never lose weight.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Unless her gunts get sliced off in a freak accident she’ll never lose weight.

Having parts surgically removed from her body didn’t help.

She’ll compensate for a lopped off leg within a month.

 

[Clotso Coof]

FYI: Even full gastric bypass surgery, the more extreme weight loss surgery option, almost always results in a still-obese patient.

Spoiler: Calculator online says "LOL FAT"

According to this calculator, a 5'2" 400 lb woman could expect to end up around 226 lbs on average, leaving her still obese. That's the 50th percentile result at 18 months, when patients generally stop losing weight.

A 80th percentile result is 249lbs and a 20th percentile result is 203 lbs. Both are still obese on a 5'2" woman, of course, and none of this accounts for the weight regain WLS patients usually experience. There are people who end up normal weight after WLS, but it's very rare and it's due to the patient's own dedication to healthy lifestyle.

If Chantal gets the bypass surgery through some medical negligence of the surgeon, and somehow doesn't kill herself by bursting her stomach, and somehow miraculously follows the post-surgery diet...she'll still be a fatty fatty boombalatty.

 

[440088]

A referral is nothing more than a consultation. All the WLS doctor is going to do is put her on a generic diet plan and ask to see her three months out to recheck her weight. It’s possible she could be approved to get WLS if she complies with the consultation instructions. But we know that’s not going to happen. She had huge tumors in her body for years she never dealt with until they were doubling her over in pain before she had them removed. And she was a lot more sane then.

 

[I call shenanigans]

A referral is nothing more than a consultation. All the WLS doctor is going to do is put her on a generic diet plan and ask to see her three months out to recheck her weight. It’s possible she could be approved to get WLS if she complies with the consultation instructions. But we know that’s not going to happen. She had huge tumors in her body for years she never dealt with until they were doubling her over in pain before she had them removed. And she was a lot more sane then.

It's not even a consultation. A referral is just a request from a GP to consider a specific patient for further treatment. Often times, referrals within public sector hospitals are triaged. There's no guarantee a referral will even be accepted, especially if there is a long waitlist (as is the case for WLS) and the patient doesn't met all relevant criteria. Chantal doesn't... and what's more, she knows she doesn't. Hence her comment regarding psychiatric disorders and her doctor "having to be honest" or words to that effect.

 

[Rem Farms]

It's not even a consultation. A referral is just a request from a GP to consider a specific patient for further treatment. Often times, referrals within public sector hospitals are triaged. There's no guarantee a referral will even be accepted, especially if there is a long waitlist (as is the case for WLS) and the patient doesn't met all relevant criteria. Chantal doesn't... and what's more, she knows she doesn't. Hence her comment regarding psychiatric disorders and her doctor "having to be honest" or words to that effect.

This was during the wings and poutine live, and when she mentioned psychiatric disorders, she said something to the effect that one needs to be in treatment - and she's being treated...

At this point she's just lying to herself.

 

[Beezer Beetus]

Eh I don't know how it works in the states with WLS but here in Canada, a referral is kinda like a last resort with a doctor that is fed up with a fatty not trying to do anything positive for their health. This seems to be where Chantal is. Pawned to another doctor or clinic for "WLS" she thinks will happen sometime this year (very ). The chances of delusion gorl #2 ALR getting WLS are higher than Chantal. Chantal doesn't seem to grasp the reality of how long the OHIP covered WLS journey actually is. So I'm all here for the two deathfats battling it out, should be some top tier entertainment going forward...

 

[New & Improved Username]

Canada approved Yaniv for stinkditch surgery, why not Chantal?

 

[Kukkamaaria]

Pretty much every source I’ve found says that skin removal surgery is a nightmare to recover from. She has no idea of the hell that awaits her. Optimistically, she has half a decade of strict dieting, exercise, and countless surgeries to fix her shit. In a way, I understand why she doesn’t truly care. Deep down, she knows she’s fucked either way.

Nah it's not THAT bad. E.g. usual sick leave/recovery time for belt lift or breast reduction is 4-6 weeks. There can be common complications, usually related to wound care and stiches causing issues. But where I live, they refuse to do skin removal surgeries after weight loss if there are any risks. This means no smoking, no nicotine products, teeth in good conditions, no infections, no liver/heart/any other organ issues. So dropping weight is not enough, the ex-fatties must also be in good health before surgeon will even look at them.
Skin removal surgeries we see on 600lb are exception in a way that there is so much hanging skin, they will cut it out even if the risks are bigger and recovery is longer.

 

[Captain Ahab]

Nah it's not THAT bad. E.g. usual sick leave/recovery time for belt lift or breast reduction is 4-6 weeks. There can be common complications, usually related to wound care and stiches causing issues. But where I live, they refuse to do skin removal surgeries after weight loss if there are any risks. This means no smoking, no nicotine products, teeth in good conditions, no infections, no liver/heart/any other organ issues. So dropping weight is not enough, the ex-fatties must also be in good health before surgeon will even look at them.
Skin removal surgeries we see on 600lb are exception in a way that there is so much hanging skin, they will cut it out even if the risks are bigger and recovery is longer.

Have you seen Chantal’s body? She’s shaped like a balloon. She may only be in the 400’s, but her petite stature and weird fat distribution make her an honorary 600-pounder.

Even if the surgery is textbook perfect, there’s no way those two imbeciles aren’t gonna fuck it up in some spectacular way. I hope the doctor won’t dare tell Chin Chin that she *has* to do anything, because it’s guaranteed she’ll to the very opposite just to spite him.

 

[Kukkamaaria]

Have you seen Chantal’s body? She’s shaped like a balloon. She may only be in the 400’s, but her petite stature and weird fat distribution make her an honorary 600-pounder.

Even if the surgery is textbook perfect, there’s no way those two imbeciles aren’t gonna fuck it up in some spectacular way. I hope the doctor won’t dare tell Chin Chin that she *has* to do anything, because it’s guaranteed she’ll to the very opposite just to spite him.

Oh absolutely. Not in any way I was talking about Chantal, just about the indicators when someone -healthy- is accepted for skin removal by public health care in my country. Thought that was pretty obvious from the things I listed.

 

[L. Ron Hubbard's Cat]

Even if the surgery is textbook perfect, there’s no way those two imbeciles aren’t gonna fuck it up in some spectacular way. I hope the doctor won’t dare tell Chin Chin that she *has* to do anything, because it’s guaranteed she’ll to the very opposite just to spite him.

Which is exactly why she'll never get the surgery. A bunch of anonymous nobodies on Kiwi Farms have worked out that Chantal lies and that she'll never stop gorging herself, so I have to believe that even Canadian surgeons and psychiatrists will see right through her. The three year waitlist isn't just because there's a waitlist for everything in Canada -- it's to weed out psychotic morons like Chantal.

I maintain that we're going to get a glorious meltdown when she gets rejected, though. It will be fun. I especially like that she thinks she can "fast track" her surgery by asking about cancellations. Just... No. That's not how this works. It's not a nose job. You need years of prep before you even get a surgery date scheduled, let alone worry about getting booked into a cancellation. And you don't queue-jump through cancellations. They get offered to the next person in line. They're not going to skip over the 50 people ahead of you in line (who are already approved) and rubber stamp your approval just because you called and put on your baby voice to ask if they could let you know if someone cancelled.

Fucking idiot.

 

[Ben Lurkin']

Just off the top of my head the things that would disqualify her (for a Mexican clinic bariatric surgery:

- Extreme BMI combined with most of the fat in the midsection due to how impossible all the visceral fat would make laparoscopic surgery. Plus if she did end up with a complication that required her to be transported to a regional ICU, she legit may not fit in their ambulances.

It's dat fatty liver (NALD) that would be Dsqualification Number One on a very long list of contraindications...because they have to lift up her entire liver out of the way to get to the stomach to do a gastric bypass.

During the procedure, lifting a liver like Chantal's (that's twice+ the size of a normal liver) would just cause it to burst apart like Canadian goose pâté.

From the abstract "The Effect of Bariatric Surgery on the Spectrum of Fatty Liver Disease" published in the Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology & Hepatology​

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Conclusion: Despite limited published data, the obese patients with [Nonalcoholic Fatty Liver Disease - NFLD] decompensated cirrhosis remain to be poor candidates for bariatric surgery due to significant mortality rates.​

Then again, if Chantal could beg-up enough GoFuckFundMe money to finance the cost of surgery, and the cost of (her size-required two airplane seats) round-trip tickets to Mexico...

...she might be able to persuade an unlicensed Mexican gastric surgeon/deflesher to do it. The kind that runs a Tijuana back-alley "chop shop clínica abattoir"...the same kind where apotemnophiliacs go for illegal Body Integrity Dysphoria Disorder (BIID) limb amputations.

Plus, she could possibly also get that kind of OR-in-a-skid-row-hotel-room butcher to bundle in a diabetic peripheral neuropathic hoof amputation for free. After all, it would be so simple to perform on such a "skinny ankle."

With a "hoofectomy," she could guarantee coming home instantly 20 pounds lighter. Win-win.