Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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I suppose it's a grass is always greener on the other side scenario. It seems to have really blown up these few years though.

I'm wondering if there was a great schism in the tomboy community with half turning heel and becoming raging lesbians while the other half turned baby face and grew beards so it would be acceptable to still hang and bang with the bros.
The funny part being that the raging lesbians can hang with the bros infinitely better than FtM manlets because they are way more secure and confident in themselves. Sure you might get in a dumb argument about patriarchy every now and then, but theyre sure as hell not going to collapse into a sobbing mess if you misgender them.
 
The funny part being that the raging lesbians can hang with the bros infinitely better than FtM manlets because they are way more secure and confident in themselves. Sure you might get in a dumb argument about patriarchy every now and then, but theyre sure as hell not going to collapse into a sobbing mess if you misgender them.
Would calling them a faggot for crying re-affirm that they are male though? Then both sides can save face.
 
I can understand why men would do this, to gain an easier life as a woman, easier access to women in prison, celebrated as heroes for their deviancy, not being called a faggot when getting rattled off another man etc etc.

I can't for the life of me understand why a woman would do this to herself though, especially if the media paints white men nowadays as the devil, so why become one?
MTF troons have easier lives precisely because they AREN'T treated as women. Remember bruce jenner's "call my caitlyn" magazine cover? Now try to picture a biological female his age getting to pose in a slutty get up on the front of a magazine like that. Imagine a real woman dressing and applying make up the way troons do and being praised for their appearance. It would absolutely never happen. MTFs don't pass and people simply feel bad for them so they get special treatment.

As for why FTMs troon out, it is generally pretty simple. They either got raped a lot and are sick of male sexual attention, or they are having a really hard time accepting that they are a lesbian, or both of those things at once. The sexual abuse victims are usually very mentally ill. If you look at research on lesbians it is also clear that for them it is normal to not be self-accepting until their early 20s. The average age that lesbians engage in sex for the first time is like 21 iirc, and its 17 for straights. Thats a lot of time to get desperate and lonely. FTMs tend to pass once they get on testosterone and are treated like manlets.
Not to mention the health issues that would arise from it. How do they get an erection? Does that not require blood flow to the penis? How do they bang someone? Do they need to Ron Jeremy it in like they're loading an artillery shell? Would their wierd looking knobs not stink of pish also since they dont have a natural urethra? There will always be pish residue between the end of the meat tube and vagina ground zero and everyone knows you can't clean a toilet just by pishing on the stains. Do they need to give their sausage a pull through with a baby wipe the rest of their life like the men have to dilate?
Erectile tissue is specialized, cannot be harvested from another area of the body. Even with good blood flow its a floppy sock of skin. they have to use weird implants to simulate erections. That is usually a surgery that happens after the initial surgery.
I don't know a lot about this Newgent person and if her surgeries failed and she regrets trooning out that's too bad, but it was all entirely her own doing.
scott newgent's path to trooning is a mindfuck. It isn't typical. She accepted being a lesbian, but trooned out on behalf of a woman who couldn't accept herself as a lesbian. Scott (used to be Kellie) was in a relationship with a woman who was catholic and whose entire social circle was catholic. The lover's name was Lynette. Lynette was in a loveless marriage. She would try to leave her husband for a woman, and her entire social circle would come down on her for being a lesbian, told her she was going to hell and quote the bible at her etc. Her husband was especially harsh with the fire and brimestone shit. It doesn't say who suggested trooning to begin with, but it was something that was intended to solve all of Lynette's problems. If kellie could become scott, then Lynette could be gay without feeling like she was going to go to hell for it, and her family and friends wouldn't disown her for being gay either. All they had to do was pretend, or believe, that transition really made kellie into a man named scott. I get a very borderline vibe from newgent's description of lynette, you would have to be kind of a monster to let someone else take testosterone and change their name so you didn't have to tell the truth about yourself. things didn't work out with lynettte, so they are stuck with the results of the transition. It is really unusual for someone to own that they didn't really believe they were a man deep down but did it to try and solve a practical problem, in theory the medical system should not have prescribed transition to such an individual. Newgent is in chronic severe pain because of an exposed tendon on the forearm where skin was harvested for SRS.

Scott Newgent: This Is My Transition Story...​

Before I begin, I would like to prefix by asserting this post is raw, real, and comes from a place of total honesty. We all have the voice inside our head that helps us navigate through the world. The internal voice we have can be denied if we are embarrassed and lifted when it's correct, "I always knew I was right about, blank." We all know about this little voice, and this little voice is ours to hold close inside the confounds of our minds. I am sharing my little voice with you, not out of weakness; it comes from a place of power.

I cannot tell you with indefinite why kids are claiming to be trans at a staggering rate. I can share why I transitioned and why I believe a vast preponderance of children and adults are looking to change genders. My insight is not scientific, which comically mirrors the whole definition of what transgender is. You might be laughing, but as someone who has medically transitioned, my laugher is nihil when it comes to what we are doing to a generation of children.

This is my transition story.
I don't believe Jesus Christ was the son of God, but that doesn't make me a version of their evil. I don't think children should be anywhere near surgery or hormones; I don't care how transgender they believe they are. I believe the LGBT community has back-handed the entire world into being scared of anyone with opposing views to speak up. But, I understand the cause, the pain, and the generation after generation of misery that gays and lesbians have been put through.


Before I transitioned, I imagined I was known as the Lesbian Devil to Lynette's Catholic Family.

I believe people are born gay, but I also think some are conditioned into same-sex attractions. I might have been manipulated to change my sex by an extremely religious Catholic woman that could not accept her sexuality, but that doesn't mean genuine transgender people are not walking among us.



I have always been able to reach both sides; I was blessed with the ability to see both sides of situations. But, I didn't understand that inside an organization, a belief, a person you hate is common ground and someone beautiful, and someone scared and someone who has something useful to say. I didn't understand the gravity of this until I transitioned.



Lesbian Devil to Straight Man Saint

They wanted to do an intervention on a woman that finally understood why she never felt the love she saw her friends experience. Until me, she just went through the motions with her husband, hating her life and feeling apathetic only to come alive with that first sip of wine. She laughed and giggled and seemed like the most festive person, but she was a tragic person once you knew her. Such a depressed person, a woman that looked like the sunshine of light, was the darkest human being I had ever met.

I listened to her phone calls with her family spewing hate, begging her to be cleansed and get rid of her demons, manipulating her with the thought of spending an eternity in hellfire for loving me. I can say that I despised those people, Lynette's people, with every fiber of my being. I just knew that they understood the suffering they were causing for her and didn't care. Convinced they only wanted the perfectly straight, elegant Catholic woman to go back to a husband she didn't love, never loved, they didn't care that she was pained, they didn't care that she couldn't breathe without me. They cared only for getting her back into a box that made them feel comfortable.





I transitioned to take that all away for her. I never met Lynette's family as a woman. I met them for the first time as Scott; Lesbian Devil to Straight Man Saint. I was so scared to meet them for the first time, and all I kept hearing was the torture I heard when Lynette was speaking to them, and I wanted to despise them, I wanted to hate every last one of them and, I just knew I would.

But something happened.

My far reach to see both sides became vastly wider. I loved them, each one of them, and I still do. I watched them with their children, and I learned about their lives and struggles and the belief system they had; I began to understand why they felt the way they did. The experiences they had mixed in with the blessing of being born normal became who they were. They couldn't comprehend what Lynette was feeling; how could they. I loved them, and I still do, and I miss them, but I went from Lesbian Devil to Straight Man Saint to just something they laugh at while eating dinner, the weirdo transgender person.



I remember the night like it just happened. I remember the air, the desperation. I wanted to save her from what she went through the years prior when she was trying to break free from the hold that her former life had on her. I wanted to save her from her soon to be ex-husband's phone calls that lasted for hours and hours pounding and pounding her with terror about how it was going to feel on her flesh when Satan burned her into a never-ending pit of fire. I wanted to save her from looking at me and being so in love but conflicted with the voices in her head.



I never in my life experienced someone told over and over repeatedly that he was not loved like a wife should love a husband and that she loved another and wanted another, but he refused to let go, even though he knew it was going to cause her nothing but pain. Mark did not care.

It was cruel.
Some in her family thought of it as a devoted Catholic man, but from the inside looking out, it was self-indulgent and hurtful, he was breaking her down, and he knew it. He didn't care; he wanted her back; she filled a locality in his life that gave him pleasure. He refused to succumb, and he was prepared to do what it took, even if the cost was splitting her limb from limb. He would do what he had to do to get what he wanted, so the barbaric device to pull her limbs off was strapped down, administered, and once the pulling began, it didn't take long for him to succeed. With the help of her family spewing words and creating an image of her flesh burning in a fiery pit of hell, it was useless; she could not resist.



Lynette would start conversations with her husband on the phone standing, shoulders back, and ready to take on the challenge. Within 15 minutes, her body would shrink into a ball in the corner of a room, and the self-sufficient woman echoed a child browbeaten; it was awful to watch.
The dynamic was as if I was watching a child scolded by her Dad. Lynette didn't speak; she just listened, nodded, and agreed with submissive shrieks of recognition. Lynette wasn't even able to discuss; she just winced and endured the storm until Mark felt his position made, and opinion received as the only truth.



It was a strange relationship with her ex-husband; it wasn't normal; it matched the movie "The Truman Show." All the streets decorated, the clothes ironed, but something was missing, and Truman knew that just as Lynette did.
Lynette had doubted her ex-husband's sexuality before they married but threw it aside. He fit; he fit all the things to look for in a man. They were not in love, and they had never been, and you don't desire what you never knew you had. So, the years went on, and Lynette recommenced to question his sexuality and found his characteristics off but never stirred because to discover someone on an intimate level, you must have the ability to be intimate. Affection was absent, always was with their marriage.






Before I first left Lynette, before my transition, when I was still Kellie, something hit me like a ton of bricks. You see, I had endured the numerous conversations with Lynette, by her side listening to Mark's phone calls, her family, and I felt as battered as she did. But our love was beyond what I had ever experienced. Most would have left much earlier, but neither one of us could part. This morning, as Lynette leaned over and rested her head on my chest, she glanced into my eyes. I noticed how calm and at peace she was, embracing me. Her eyes, her brown eyes, I have never understood how an uncomplicated color like brown could make eyes dance as she could with hers. As her breathing began to rhythm, in sleep is when it hit me.


She can't do it

These words traversed my eyes, and I shook out of bed. It was at that moment that I knew that I had to leave. I knew at that moment, Lynette would not be able to live an genuine life with me; she didn't have it in her, and her husband and family were NEVER going to let her live in peace. Staying with her was not the right thing to do for her, me, or her husband, for that matter.



I did my best and left the apartment. I tried to remain solid, but the texts from Lynette with pictures of hearts or her intoxicating body would lure me to her bed. As she was packing to go back to her husband, she was seducing me, while going to marriage classes at night, she was making love to me during the day.



At this time, I lost it; I couldn't take the lies, the deceit, everything was too much. I have never understood how Lynette could lie to everyone, and it never got to her; for me, it was something that broke me. I packed my family and moved 1000 miles away. I wanted Lynette; Lynette wanted me, but I knew it was never going to happen, and I didn't want to put her through what I saw her husband doing. My intentions were good, but the reality was nothing how I wanted to act.



It had been two years since we ended our affair, and she went back to her husband. I was a mess in those two years. I would go from crying from missing her to insanely pissed off that she went back because I told her to. I knew deep down that no matter how much she loved me, how much she needed me, how much she wanted me, she was never going to be able to be authentic. I didn't want to torture her the same way, but differently than her husband and family had.



Authenticity has never been something Lynette has been able to accomplish. Finely crafted lies to keep the nicely furnished life she created was a full-time job for her, and she was obsessed, and I have never been one to live unauthentic. Back then, I was angry at Lynette for not breaking out of the box everyone had built for her. With new eyes, I understand she did what she was able to do and, it didn't matter how much she loved me; she didn't have to tools to live life with the white light of transparency.



In the two years that we were apart, I survived, not well, but I survived. Every two to three months, Lynette would contact me and profess her love and tell me she was ready, and she was going to tell her husband and family she was a lesbian, and she was coming to me. The next day she would disappear; it was one of, if not the most painful times in my life. All made me feel crazy. I would send texts obsessively asking if she was ok, concerned that something might have happened to her. Then her number would change, and I'd get a call from her best friend telling me she was going back to her husband, and they just left for some tropical vacation.


When she would do that to me, it felt scurrilous, cold, and accustomed to expect it. We were like children sneaking out of our house at night, and our parents would find us ground us from speaking to each other. I think back on this with a different mind, and I understand how cold this was for Lynette to do. She couldn't handle being with me, but she didn't want to lose me. Lynette cruelty was in the highest form, and I believe it was not the most significant reason our marriage didn't work. I was insanely angry with her, but I never expressed it; I swallowed it.



Lynette lead the dance, and both Mark and I followed; she was always the single factor to all this pain. This got so bad that anytime Lynette would reach out to me, I would tell her husband. Of course, he didn't believe me, but I have never lied to Mark. I have been the only one who has never lied to him.



Some days I would open a bottle of wine to finish it and wake up the next morning horrified with emails I would write to her husband about how awful he was. They were disgusting; no one deserves the words I would say to him. Somethings people just don't need to know, even if they are the truth. I didn't understand what he was going through; I didn't allow myself to see what Lynette and I were putting him through. He was fighting his truth; our truth was blind to him, and he was to us. Funny how that works when passion, anger, betrayal, love, hate, longing, and confusion get smashed together in one bite you must swallow.



Somewhere in my heart, I knew what Lynette was doing was wrong. She wanted me but didn't want anyone to know and was so focused on what others thought of her; she ripped apart two people and one that she professed to be heaven-sent to her. Ya me, crazy, huh?



After two years, she returned to me, she finally left her husband, and I could tell something was different. This entire fiasco weighed heavily on us all, and her husband was pushed further than anyone should be, but we all were in different ways. He finally pushed back one night after too much to drink, and Lynette's face was where he lost it. He had never been physical with her before, but it was all too much. Her husband could tell she didn't want to be with him; she was there out of obligation, familiarity, to please her family, to fit in, to enjoy the more beautiful things money could buy. But not because she was in love with him.

When Lynette went back to Mark, he tried with all he had to bring passion to their marriage. He read all the right books, made all the right reservation, attempted all the right positions in life emotionally and physically, but the passion was never there. That is the crazy thing about the passionate side of love; you can't will it. A couple either has it, or they do not.




When she came back to me after that night, we both were exhausted. We just wanted to love each other, that's all. I had spent my whole life being judged as a lesbian, criticized, understanding that the first conversations with strangers that I wanted to get to know would eventually lead to the, "So, when did you know you were a lesbian." I was exhausted, Lynette was exhausted. Love can only take so much; love cannot conquer all; we are the proof. The night I decided to transition was a decision that was made soon into our reunion. That night, I call it a night, because it was the night that changed everything, everything changed.



I was watching TV, and I heard Lynette talking with her son. Her son was getting married, and they were pregnant and expecting Lynette's first grandchild. Everyone was so excited; I could see it on Lynette's face when she would talk to anyone about the baby. Suddenly, the laughter stopped, and silence began. I yelled up the stairs.




"Lynette, is everything ok."


No response, my face twinged with confusion, and I made my way to her. When I turned the corner to the bedroom, I saw her. Her face had lost all color and turned grey. I ran to her and grabbed her hands, and looked at her directly in the eyes, and she said,


What if my son doesn't allow me to see my grandbaby if they find out I'm a lesbian?


My heart sank. I could not allow that to happen. That was the night I decided to transition for her children for her family. I loved her that much. What I do know about this entire experience is that we were all at fault. I should have walked away eight to nine years ago and never let this start. Lynette should have faced her demons instead of emotionally ripping two people apart. Mark should have allowed Lynette to leave him in peace; she was not a possession that completed his perfectly decorated home. No one did the right thing, and I'm left with looking into the mirror every day, not knowing whose's reflection I am looking at.


If I was to sit down with Mark and talk to him, I bet I would understand that he is left with scars that he didn't deserve as well. Very few people in this world are evil; I am not one, Mark is not one, and Lynette is not one.



I am remorseful for many reasons; I did many things wrong, and they have eaten at me since the beginning. I could never express these to Lynette because it was always about her throughout the whole process. Saving her, ensuring her lies were kept, I agreed to things like marriage counseling and camps understanding her and Mark were attending so she could prove to him they were not in love and not meant for each other.



I agreed to the dates she would go on with Mark when we were living together to prove that they were not good together. I had to sit in the apartment and wait for her to get back from these dates that Mark would plan to win her back. Mark didn't know it was all a ploy; it was cruel. This was awful to do someone, and I agreed to it, and it ate and ate at me and still does to this day.



The lies and deception and the amount I had to swallow to be with her were too much. It's a strange feeling looking at someone you love and wanting to scream at the top of your lungs, "Why did you do this to us, me and Mark? WHY!" Things I remember haunt me. The time I told her to go back to Mark initially and calling her to see when I could pick my stuff up from the apartment, and she giggled, "When we get another place, I am going to put up the pictures; you put too many holes in the walls." I wish at the time I could have told her,




"Lynette, that's cruel, do you know that?"
Do you know that you want to keep me with you just enough so that you don't lose me? Telling me repeatedly that you know that God wants us together, and that's why you see so many hearts, and you send me those pictures. Do you know that's cruel? That's cruel to me, and that's cruel to Mark. Do you know it's insensitive to Mark going back to him to prove to him that you guys aren't good together? Do you know that's cruel and wrong? It's offensive to tell me that you can't be in a relationship with a woman, but you can't be without me. Do you know these things, the cruelty?"



Looking back, I can see that Mark and I were played like a fiddle, both of us. The center point of the cruelty started with Lynette. The further I getaway, the more remorse I feel and the tremendous sense of regret I have. The sorrow and guilt dial point the most to Mark. Mark had no idea what was happening, and Lynette was not strong enough to be honest, if she were just honest from the beginning with herself, she would have never married Mark. Mark was a backup plan and always has been for Lynette, and the cruelty of that alone is astronomical.





Lynette wasted ten years of my life, and she wasted even more of Mark's life by not being honest. Mark will always be Lynette's back up plan; he has the finances and experience she desires, and as cruel as it is to say it; it's the truth. In all of this, I pray for Marks' happiness. However, it is that he finds it. Sure, he wasn't perfect who is, but he was blindsided, lied to, manipulated, and used. I hope Mark figures out who he is and what it takes for him to be happy, and I hope he finds it. If Mark were in front of me today, I would say one thing and one thing alone,





"I am sorry."





To Lynette: I would say I forgive you; I hope you find whatever you need to be happy in this life, but please be honest, it's the only way anyone ever finds peace. You might be surprised by how people you love will react. Allow your family and children to know who you are because they deserve the real Lynette. You have to stop lying to people to create a false reality; in the end, all it does is hurt people.





In conclusion, I tell this story to help people understand that transgenderism has become reverse bigotry to gays and lesbians. We have pre-teens not understanding that same sex attraction and transgenderism are not the same. We have straight parents that don't grasp that every homosexual person at some time in their lives wanted to be the opposite sex, to be the same, and just fit in. We are creating a Disney fairy tale ending for kids that does not exist.





Although I have decided not to de-transition and do have some points in a Gender Dysphoria diagnosis, it doesn't stop the fact that my decision to transition was due to homophobia.





It took the LGBT community 30 years to earn the trust from the society that we were not after their kids, that we did not want to turn anyone homosexual; we just wanted the same rights as others. Currently, homosexual children are targeted by powerful pharmaceutical corporations and, vast revenue channels created to transition our homosexual youth medically. Being homosexual does not = being gender dysphoric. As far as you believe we have come with homophobia, we still have that far to go to get it right.





In 2008, 40 UK children were on hormone blockers, resulting in an $800,000 revenue generation. Fast forward to 2018, and the number increased by 4000% up to 36 million in the city of London and surrounding areas if you take those numbers and spread them over the US, that comes to a 1.7 billion revenue jump for kids prescribed blockers in a ten-year span.



Medically transition kids are not about acceptance; it's about money. It's time to put the glitter fairies away within the LGBTQ and come and face reality. While the LGBTQ has been coining record number of sexual fetish flags, a snake has appeared and burrowed in our community and celebrated and this needs to be stopped.


We cannot allow our children to transition because we refuse to accept homosexuality.


We are in a crazy time; if you step back from what we are doing to kids with understanding it's not about rights, it's about backward rights. As a parent and as someone who has medically transitioned, I am trying to warn you.



Gender Dysphoria is real, and some benefit from medical transitioning, but not many and not enough for this new medical revenue channel they have created with your children. We have to give kids time to grow up and understand who and what they are.



We DO NOT want homosexual children medically transitioning because of homophobia.



I read a quote on twitter recently that made me think;



"If I knew everyone's story, I would love and understand everyone."


I am the same as others, and I judge, and each day I have to sit back and re-align myself to understand this compelling quote.



Scott/Kellie
 
I am a firm believer in individual sovereignty and an internal locus of control.
Ok so you don't believe in mental illness and believe mentally ill people are just weak and irresponsible.

Mental illness rids the person of their individual sovereignity and internal locus of control. It warps the perception of their world and stresses their cognitive functioning. It overwhelms the brain so much memory becomes hazy and untrustworthy.

Sometimes the effect is so severe, people who were mentally ill in the past or are having lucid moments have difficulty processing the crazy ass shit they did.

Sometimes they even exceed human limitations:
And if you're a distressed sixteen-year-old female threatening suicide and brandishing a knife, consider the extraordinary lengths taken by Houston cops to bring one such girl back to reality—testimony delivered by Captain J. Jones to ABC News affiliate KTRK-13:

"The officer spoke with the female and the female moved towards him, moving the knife over her head. The Taser did not have the desired effect. The female pulled the darts out of her body and continued towards the officer."

The deputy then fired a shot at the girl. Police say the officer was "stumbling" as he fired—and fired a second shot which grazed the teenager's right foot. At that point, a precinct officer showed up and tried to deploy pepper spray, but that didn't work either. You just can't keep sad girls down.

Troons are mentally ill. The troonism is just the latest addition to their extensive mental illness salad.

Troons under normal circumstances cannot be expected to give informed consent. This is why they lobbied to get troonism declassified as a mental illness, and are now lobbying to make troon shit "lifesaving medical care", because "lifesaving medical care" such as first aid is exempt from informed consent laws.

All the butchery on this thread is 100% the fault of healthcare professionals who ought to know better.

I feel like I'm gonna faint looking at some of these photos.
This is why I love PK rotation intake season.

I can't for the life of me understand why a woman would do this to herself though, especially if the media paints white men nowadays as the devil, so why become one?

Media portrays white women as devil incarnate too. Media portrays nobody positively, then along came troons.

Having said that, please do not try to make logic out of mental illness facilitated by capitalism.

Not to mention the health issues that would arise from it.
Troon propaganda machine has ensured the health issues are not discussed.

How do they get an erection?
Some have a permanent erection from a rigid implant within.

Some do not have an erection, and have the consistency of a half-chub.

Some have a pump installed in their neotestes that inflate the erectile device.

Does that not require blood flow to the penis?
As yet, we are unable to replicate the male erectile tissue.

The arteries and vessels redirected to the neophallus only gives enough blood supply for sensation. Plus, the female body simply does not have the heart pumping capacity, or the amount of blood a man has, to facilitate an erection.

How do they bang someone? Do they need to Ron Jeremy it in like they're loading an artillery shell?
I admit I have no knowledge of this. As you say, insertion is probably very finicky.

Would their wierd looking knobs not stink of pish also since they dont have a natural urethra? There will always be pish residue between the end of the meat tube and vagina ground zero and everyone knows you can't clean a toilet just by pishing on the stains.
Let's face it, a lot of men have this issue with a natural urethra. Also, MTF have the same issue - they constantly drip pee put of their ladydique like a rat because both their urethral sphincters are incompetent.

Do they need to give their sausage a pull through with a baby wipe the rest of their life like the men have to dilate?

My understanding is they dab the urethral opening with a bit of toilet paper. Since toilet paper isn't near most urinals, it does rather make the entire exercise a bit moot.
 
Ok so you don't believe in mental illness and believe mentally ill people are just weak and irresponsible.

Mental illness rids the person of their individual sovereignity and internal locus of control. It warps the perception of their world and stresses their cognitive functioning. It overwhelms the brain so much memory becomes hazy and untrustworthy.

Sometimes the effect is so severe, people who were mentally ill in the past or are having lucid moments have difficulty processing the crazy ass shit they did.

Sometimes they even exceed human limitations:
If this is what you drew from my reply to you, all I can advise you to do is re-read it.

Mental illness has to be truly profound (as in a thought disorder, like psychosis) for the individual to be declared legally incompetent and not considered legally capable of managing their own affairs, as it should be, because you would not want to live in a society where this right can be arbitrarily taken away from you by claiming "it's for your own protection".

Troons are, in general, not psychotic, as in not oriented in physical reality. Their having a mood disorder or even a personality disorder does not negate the fact that they are the ones in control of their impulses and ultimately what they choose to do with their lives. Like with addiction, you have to find ways of managing it. The chronic alcoholic doesn't go from "drinking too much every now and then" to being a homeless hobo gargling hand sanitizer. It takes years of systematic bad decision-making to get to that point.

Adult troons should, like any other legal adult, have far-reaching rights to live their lives as they please and be held personally accountable for these decisions. As long as they admit it's a choice and something they could have chosen not to commit to, that's fine by me. Scott Newgent 100% did that to herself.

I'm behind protecting literal children from the troon carousel, because they're literal children, but I'm also heavily against overreaching the hand of the government. If you choose to let some butcher perform experimental cosmetic surgery on you, it should be called what it is.
 
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I suppose it's a grass is always greener on the other side scenario. It seems to have really blown up these few years though.

I'm wondering if there was a great schism in the tomboy community with half turning heel and becoming raging lesbians while the other half turned baby face and grew beards so it would be acceptable to still hang and bang with the bros.
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If this is what you drew from my reply to you, all I can advise you to do is re-read it.

Mental illness has to be truly profound (as in a thought disorder, like psychosis) for the individual to be declared legally incompetent and not considered legally capable of managing their own affairs, as it should be, because you would not want to live in a society where this right can be arbitrarily taken away from you by claiming "it's for your own protection".

Troons are, in general, not psychotic, as in not oriented in physical reality. Their having a mood disorder or even a personality disorder does not negate the fact that they are the ones in control of their impulses and ultimately what they choose to do with their lives. Like with addiction, you have to find ways of managing it. The chronic alcoholic doesn't go from "drinking too much every now and then" to being a homeless hobo gargling hand sanitizer. It takes years of systematic bad decision-making to get to that point.

Adult troons should, like any other legal adult, have far-reaching rights to live their lives as they please and be held personally accountable for these decisions. As long as they admit it's a choice and something they could have chosen not to commit to, that's fine by me. Scott Newgent 100% did that to herself.

I'm behind protecting literal children from the troon carousel, because they're literal children, but I'm also heavily against overreaching the hand of the government. If you choose to let some butcher perform experimental cosmetic surgery on you, it should be called what it is.
I agree with you and I don’t.
I agree that adults who troon out are not so mentally ill they can’t be held responsible. If you want to fly to Thailand for SRS, that’s your business.
However, it is absolutely the prerogative of the government to regulate medical procedures performed in the United States. That’s why the FDA paused the use of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. It’s why we have state medical boards and why doctors have had their licenses taken away, even been imprisoned in some cases, for massive overprescription of narcotics. Doctors used to be able to do whatever they wanted, and people died.

Edit: this goes doubly true for stuff the government is paying for. you shouldn’t be allowed to butcher people on the government dime.
 
I agree with you and I don’t.
I agree that adults who troon out are not so mentally ill they can’t be held responsible. If you want to fly to Thailand for SRS, that’s your business.
However, it is absolutely the prerogative of the government to regulate medical procedures performed in the United States. That’s why the FDA paused the use of the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. It’s why we have state medical boards and why doctors have had their licenses taken away, even been imprisoned in some cases, for massive overprescription of narcotics. Doctors used to be able to do whatever they wanted, and people died.

Edit: this goes doubly true for stuff the government is paying for. you shouldn’t be allowed to butcher people on the government dime.
I agree with you that it shouldn't be happening on the government's dime, no. I also don't think that "transgender healthcare" should masquerade as "life-saving" medicine when it's primarily about sales. There's also a growing problem of surgeons clearly not being honest about the expected outcomes of these surgeries. They're peddling an overly optimistic sugar-coated version and downplay the massive risk of complications.

I still believe it should be accessible as elective surgery for those who are willing to pay for it themselves and have shown that they understand the risks involved.
 
I still believe it should be accessible as elective surgery for those who are willing to pay for it themselves and have shown that they understand the risks involved.
I disagree with that, mainly because then it starts the slippery slope of people getting their limbs amputated or otherwise disable themselves. It's mutilation pure and simple. We certainly wouldn't make clinics where cutters could have someone do that for them, or give liposuction to an anorexic, or inserting shit into a schizo just because she/he thinks they need a transmitter inside their bodies to communicate with aliens or the dead or whatever. Shit, what would stop from clinics setting up that do voluntary FGM?

What we need to do is have better mental health care, so these people can get therapy that actually helps them, and medications to help whatever is wrong in their brain. And society needs to stop perpetuating their delusions, whether it's from true dysphoria or a fetish, it doesn't even matter the reason anymore.
 
I disagree with that, mainly because then it starts the slippery slope of people getting their limbs amputated or otherwise disable themselves. It's mutilation pure and simple. We certainly wouldn't make clinics where cutters could have someone do that for them, or give liposuction to an anorexic, or inserting shit into a schizo just because she/he thinks they need a transmitter inside their bodies to communicate with aliens or the dead or whatever. Shit, what would stop from clinics setting up that do voluntary FGM?

What we need to do is have better mental health care, so these people can get therapy that actually helps them, and medications to help whatever is wrong in their brain. And society needs to stop perpetuating their delusions, whether it's from true dysphoria or a fetish, it doesn't even matter the reason anymore.
I totally agree that it's factually mutilation; I guess I just have have more of a libertarian mindset towards it. The crux here, I believe, is to not pretend that it's medicine. It's just body modification. What I find truly distasteful are the marketing tactics used by some of these surgeons. They really try to frame it as if they can actually create a vagina out of butchered penis skin and/or colon lining. That should be illegal.
 
Reddit thread: "Is it possible to move the opening of the vagina in a revision surgery?"
I know many of us here were curious about why neovaginal openings are always really low down, like at the bottom of the neovulva and very close to the anus. Must have something to do with male biology making that the only viable spot? So anyway, I clicked on this thread, but there sadly aren't any informative responses (at least atm).
But I did check the OP's post history and found this:
No wonder he's asking about revision. Pics #5 and #7 show the "low nevag opening" thing particularly well.
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Chunky_pickle really likes to post about her metoidioplasty "dick". She seems kind of obsessed, making lots of posts about doing pumping / manual traction exercises to increase its size, masturbation, standing-to-pee, and more. Not going to post all her stuff, but here's some highlights:
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Slowly loosening after surgery. She's irritated because she got some scar tissue from the surgery that's "tethering" it down compared to pre-op.
Making me question my life choices after downloading this stuff, lol.



Standing-to-pee (STP) without a device is like a holy grail for FTMs that get meta. One of their major motivations.
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As mentioned, her testosterone clit was actually larger pre-meta. Scar tissue has been keeping her "dick" tethered down post-op, so she's been doing pumping and manual traction exercises to increase her size.
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imagine that, on the one hand, you have the option to get what you want (ultimately feel better about yourself - in this case getting rid of your feelings of dysphoria, brought about by mental illness or otherwise) through things like consistent and regular exercise, going to see a therapist and following through with what you're being told, even if you don't like to hear it. basically a lot of effort aimed at self-improvement and committing to it in your life as opposed to just giving up shortly thereafter, but it's something that you know will work with ALMOST EVERY NORMAL PERSON.
"Self-care" really did a number on people in general. It gives people an excuse to ignore the little voice inside them saying they should get dressed and exercise and listen to the one telling them to eat Oreos and cut their dicks off.

Listen, we all have stuff we do to self-medicate, but it's still on you to recognize it's not the best way to feel good long-term.

 
"Self-care" really did a number on people in general. It gives people an excuse to ignore the little voice inside them saying they should get dressed and exercise and listen to the one telling them to eat Oreos and cut their dicks off.

Listen, we all have stuff we do to self-medicate, but it's still on you to recognize it's not the best way to feel good long-term.

Y'know I'm sure smoking crack would make us all feel great in the "now", but God knows it's not the correct way to go about things.
 
Y'know I'm sure smoking crack would make us all feel great in the "now", but God knows it's not the correct way to go about things.
very minor powerlevel, but I no-joke know a person that's always worked hard, is a great guy that knows his stuff and also tries to be helpful, but was feeling horribly depressed and actually spent some time in a mental institution when he couldn't take it anymore. shortly after he got out (didn't stay there long, after seeing what actual mental anguish really can be!), he got back onto doing p much what he did before, minus one critical thing - gave up weed forever! suddenly, he didn't feel his old 'depression' he had and is doing p well even now in his 40s.

it's always really stuck with me, because I've known him for a long time and was going through my own 'finding myself' years during the time this happened to him and I was 90% sure at that time that, surely, a guy that upstanding couldn't be doing anything wrong - it had to have been his boss at work or his family or some other factor outside of him, but nope - even with someone like him, the problem was all inside him. and if that's true of a person like that, one can only imagine how true it has to be with people that are 24/7 emotional wrecks and blame everyone *but* themselves nonstop in their lives.
 
Reddit thread: "Is it possible to move the opening of the vagina in a revision surgery?"
I know many of us here were curious about why neovaginal openings are always really low down, like at the bottom of the neovulva and very close to the anus. Must have something to do with male biology making that the only viable spot? So anyway, I clicked on this thread, but there sadly aren't any informative responses (at least atm).
But I did check the OP's post history and found this:
No wonder he's asking about revision. Pics #5 and #7 show the "low nevag opening" thing particularly well.
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Chunky_pickle really likes to post about her metoidioplasty "dick". She seems kind of obsessed, making lots of posts about doing pumping / manual traction exercises to increase its size, masturbation, standing-to-pee, and more. Not going to post all her stuff, but here's some highlights:
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Slowly loosening after surgery. She's irritated because she got some scar tissue from the surgery that's "tethering" it down compared to pre-op.
Making me question my life choices after downloading this stuff, lol.

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Standing-to-pee (STP) without a device is like a holy grail for FTMs that get meta. One of their major motivations.
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As mentioned, her testosterone clit was actually larger pre-meta. Scar tissue has been keeping her "dick" tethered down post-op, so she's been doing pumping and manual traction exercises to increase her size.
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That thing looks like an alien mollusk that attached itself to her crotch. No words.

A bit of an aside, but I recommend to any bisexual who gets shit on by someone for having a “transphobic dating preference,” show them the pictures in this thread. Ask that person if they’re really going to call you shallow for not wanting to commit to someone who did this/is ill enough to consider doing this to their genitals. I can live with binders and new pronouns if that’s how my partner truly feels but this shit is beyond me and I won’t stand to be called shallow for not wanting to touch mollusk dongles with a ten-foot pole.
 
Would calling them a faggot for crying re-affirm that they are male though? Then both sides can save face.
Nah, it would just be embarrassing for everyone involved. They'd run away and impotently T-rage about it to their friends on tumbr/discord afterwards, though. (tiny PL anecdote: I literally had something like this happen in my home only it was an FtM and an actual gay dude and it was just an accidental misgendering. way to threaten a hate crime against an actual gay man, kid.)

I totally agree that it's factually mutilation; I guess I just have have more of a libertarian mindset towards it. The crux here, I believe, is to not pretend that it's medicine. It's just body modification. What I find truly distasteful are the marketing tactics used by some of these surgeons. They really try to frame it as if they can actually create a vagina out of butchered penis skin and/or colon lining. That should be illegal.
Been thinking a lot lately about where the line can reasonably be drawn on that front. Obviously if you have an absurd amount of money and know the right people you can probably find a surgeon willing to do your bespoke mutilation (the movie American Mary comes to mind), but what about in the future when prosthetics start getting way better? Would it then be justifiable to remove an arm if you got a robot arm? We are of course nowhere near that cyberpunk future but I could see at some point the cost/benefit of removing a limb for a prosthetic actually being worthwhile.

Don't ever see that happening for SRS though because there's a fundamental difference in mentality. They don't want prosthetics, they want oRgAnIC pArTs. And they're being straight up lied to in being told that's a thing that is possible.
 
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(She blames the acne on wearing a binder, but being on T is definitely contributing. Acne / skin problems is a very common complaint among FTMs taking testosterone.)

There's nothing really out-of-the-ordinary with this set of pictures, but I thought that that by itself was worth noting. THIS is pretty normal for top surgery + HRT... the gross acne and body hair, the ugly scars and fucked-up nipples...
What woman would willingly subject herself to this when it isn't medically necessary? What kind of medical professional would agree to do this?
These are mentally-ill women being butchered by greedy, callous sociopaths.


Chasing that dragon! 🤡 🤦‍♀️
In his post history, he mentions being in his mid-30s and having kids. But most of his posts are about troon lunacy like wearing corsets, being on HRT, wanting to get SRS and FFS, and now inquiring about foot-binding. Priorities...
 
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